Open-Only in PP2.0?
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It's easy to demonise and hyperbolate when you seclude yourself from others. Someone who doesn't fly in open can hardly be an authority on it.
Everyone has the ability to influence the setting, essentially equally, from any mode.
I don't particularly like all the games rules or mechanisms, and have pretty big problems with some of them, but one playing by them isn't cheating.
I used to fly in Open, still do sometimes and i never said i was an authority on it, just my observations that ive observed more issues in Open than Solo (obviously).
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I fly in open exclusively, but have never knowingly witnessed cheating. Being caught cheating has consequences. Doing it in open makes you more likely to be caught and incentivises using it for PvE in closed modes.
How exactly? can you give me an idea of how we in Solo/PG get away with it?
Cheating is available in all modes.
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Botting is generally done in Solo and PG, and has often been a significant problem for the PP community. If it's done in Open, we have the opportunity to intercept the bots. There may be other examples, that's just one.
By Botting do you mean the T10 afkers?
Good luck finding one in Open with how many systems in the bubble?
The fact that this stuff happens isn't a failure of the game mode, folks will always find ways to exploit, its the system that needs changing, hopefully 2.0 will address that.
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That's the simplest kind, but there are other kinds too. I'm just saying that OOPP would help in that instance, and any other ways that people do botting. Doesn't mean it's worth doing just for that reason, but it's a factor to consider.
T10 afk farm boats are one kind of bots. It would be really easy to find them in open, since powerplay isn't evenly spaced out over the bubble, instead every week produces lets say ten hotspot systems. If these bots were forced into open, the community could eliminate or at least seriously curb botting in powerplay on its own.
Yes, inbound fortifiers certainly would have it tougher in 1.0, though ironically the hotspot HQs tend to be those of outbound fortifiers (Aisling, Winters and Hudson). Perhaps the knowledge that I'll lose nothing but a rebuy lessons the blow but I rather look forward to PvP encounters as I'm cruising through Rhea. In an engineered Cutter (which will soon be easier to build, it seems) one really cannot die against a single attacker unless one chooses to. Since I carry weapons (I fly KBM so it is less annoying to submit and kill NPCs than to fight interdictions) it is even possible to surprise single player attackers with a taste of their own medicine. And of course it's wonderful to see my squadmates and allies making their own trips through Rhea.
Hopefully PP 2.0 will do away with the inbound/outbound discrepancies; I like the idea that a larger variety of actions will become useful, and that some actions will be more useful for some powers than others, but there's certainly no reason to make certain powers more vulnerable to PvP than others.
Respectfully, this is a form of observational bias; there’s no way for you to see people in Solo turning themselves into thargoids or using the various external apps to give themselves one-shot lasers and the like.
See this is what really grinds my gears. Listen, I dislike AFK T10s as much as the next guy; but obviously you have no idea what a "bot" actually is.
An AFK T10 is using the tools and mechanics provided by the game to park your ship and do its job without any user input. It's dumb, cheesy, and pointless given how easy you can make credits in the game, but as of now, it is well within the game's rules. There is no rule you have to apply an input every X seconds. Using a bot is giving control over the game to an external piece of automated software - that's actually botting, and also cheating. Automated scripted carrier jumps? THAT's botting. AFK T10s? Please. You may not like it, and yes, it's a dumb concept, but botting it isn't. It's using, and maybe exploiting, game mechanics. So far it's not banned, so Frontier doesn't seem to consider it an exploit.
I'm so fed up with people throwing around accusations of cheating, botting, whatever, because they have some imaginary ruleset in their head that other players who do play well within the rules of the game don't comply to.
Also: insert Princess Bride "I don't think it means what you think it does" meme.
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Nope your right i don't want to see them doing that stuff so in Solo i wont.
In Solo nobody is going to do that stuff as the intention is to grief and cause issues with other folks, no point doing that in Solo, which is why they do it in Open.
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I disagree, I think someone willing to equip some long range one-shot lasers could do some pretty impressive undermining merits in Solo, which would indeed cause issues for whatever players are being undermined.
Well, people chose to cheat in open either to make a point (game is bad, look at me cheating, that's how bad it is) or for lulz and salt mining.
If you never witnessed, doesnt mean it doesnt happen.
Also, cheating in solo is rather pointless - you dont win anything and you cannot extract any salt from one-shotting NPC or make the NPC uncomfortable by sticking a Beluga in the mail slot in Solo.
So this is a real strawman regarding cheating in solo and pg while Open is the Holy Ground (nope, far from it - au contraire)
Co-op is the thing and i'd really wish FD would focus more on Coop game play than antagonistic gameplay. - Titans AX defenses and AX CG are a good start, too bad the instancing bugs out way too often.
Sure, whoever cheats can be caught in any mode if it breaks any of the telemetry set by FDev - if any.
You know that has nothing to do with the modes.
If AFK farming would get a boost in Open and/or a penalty in Solo/PG, people will easily build firewall rules (and make how-tos about it) to prevent any instancing in open
Respectfully, it is very much not pointless; if I can increase my bounty voucher earn rate by 2x I can have a bigger effect on the BGS each day, if I can double my undermining merit earn rate I can have a bigger effect on Powerplay each week. These too are player vs. player conflicts, even though they can be influenced from solo.
The PowerPlay community are often deeply invested in their side winning. That is, after all, the point. So no, cheating in solo is not pointless, you would be advancing your power. You may not understand why someone would do that, but it doesn't change the fact that many would, and perhaps do (it can be hard to know because they're in solo or PG)