Who's reading into it? Over all engagement has been steadily declining for like two years now. It's not unusual for a five year old game, nor is it surprising. There's always a slight peak when a new DLC is released or when there's a sale (and these two events often coincide anyway) but generally things are trending downwards and have been for a while. It's no big deal and not worth worrying about anyway.
DLC18 discussion and predictions
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There is still late 2026 - third CMS release.
From fun facts we would need to wait less for it than we are currently waiting for any monkey.
Idk if i would call that a fun fact, more of a sad fact really
My definite favourite. In span of one monkey Frontier:Idk if i would call that a fun fact, more of a sad fact really
- released JWE
- made 7 DLCs
- decided it is enough
- released JWE on switch
- released another JWE with aquatics and aviaries.
Since PZ DLCs always peak first Sunday after release it is to early to say anything. On the other hand, if current trend stays its going to land on about 7000 players at its highest - similar to Eurasia Animal Pack. Result up to personal interpretaion.
Im just kinda baffled at this point that we havent seen a monkey in the last 12 packs, even though they are such a quintessential and species rich group in real zoos. And its not even that we had plenty before that either.
And 6 out of these 12 packs could have easily fit one without any problems, and with some streching you could have fit one in every pack execpt oceania and barnyard.
Not saying every pack should have, but its ridiculous to me that they are religiously avoided, eventhough there were PLENTY of opportunities
And 6 out of these 12 packs could have easily fit one without any problems, and with some streching you could have fit one in every pack execpt oceania and barnyard.
Not saying every pack should have, but its ridiculous to me that they are religiously avoided, eventhough there were PLENTY of opportunities
Maybe somebody has pithecophobia
I mean i personally would love both and really hope we get those, because they are the only way to get these groups up to level at this point.
But i dont think these super specific packs are a good idea overall.
Animal packs especially should be as varied as possible to appeal to and provide something for as many people as possible
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And the last 3 have sucked at that. Maybe they have different types of animals but they are limited to 1 place (Africa and Eurasia) or 1 theme that a lot of people don’t like (petting zoos) + the ridiculous number of ungulates. Not saying birds or primate packs would be a hit but they certainly don’t introduce the problem of lack of diversity when the last 3 have also catered to this.
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The Visayan warty pig no one asked for!
Yorkshire pig, to differentiate it from the Tamworth
So true, we've only gotten 2 monkeys with the packs as a whole, and as you say, it's been a whole 12 packs/3 years without a new monkey. The ape situation was helped but it doesn't change the fact that Africa has only one monkey despite having several packs something could have gone in, and South America also only has one monkey (and primate period for that matter) despite having several packs something could have gone in.
Y'all know i love the roster overall as a whole, for mammals anyways. I realize not everything I or anyone else wants will make it in, nor will Frontier cater to any one person's wants. That was never going to be how it was. But the monkey situation in ridiculous especially given how much conversation has circled around them these last couple of years.
Aside from just wanting more South American mammals in general, the monkeys are the only weak point mammal wise for me especially for Africa and South America. And the near lack of monkeys for those two continents is definitely more of a priority than more South American animals in general, even though there's overlap by wanting more South American monkeys.
To be honest, I find myself wanting a Baboon more and more since realizing Africa only has one monkey. In that regard it's in the same sad state that South America is, it just wasn't apparent to me for the longest since the overall African mammal roster is very well represented.
ETA: no more pigs please. I understand why including one in a farm/barnyard pack makes some sense, but we are absolutely fine in regards to wild pig and related pig type mammals.
Yeah, but i mean you can either do a biome based animal pack or a regional one. So youre bound to either lack biome diversity in biome packs or regional diversity in region packs, so i wouldnt necessarily crititized packs for that.
So imo the best way is to include as many different animals as you reasonably can, both taxonomicly and how you build for them, while still keeping in mind whats actually requested.
And yeah agree the last 3 animal packs really didnt do a great job at it.
Arid was kinda both a regional and biome based animal pack simultaneously aswell has not really being diverse in either taxonomic or habitat variety.
Eurasia fared a little better in all categories imo, but wasnt really great at it either.
And Barnyard is kinda a special case but could have been better in the regional and taxon categories either way.
But a primate pack would also really suck at most of this. Wouldnt be very varied in biomes, since the majority live in tropical environments, taxonomicly is really restricted and habitat type variety is also very poor. The only okay part would be regional variety
With a habitat bird pack you have alot more variety pretty much at everything, but idk i dont really see it happening either
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I think Eurasia did a fine job for what it theme was. The saiga was the wrong antelope and if added the blackbuck the sloth bear wouldn't have felt so out of place. But it gave Europe important animals that were missing: swan, boar, wisent. Takin was very requested and the wolverine was probably one of the most wanted animals in the community.
Arid on the other hand was a regional pack disguised as a biome pack. The lack of the baboon and the spurred tortoise ( if they wanted to keep it North african - middle eastern) hurts the diversity of the pack, specially because they weren't super hard to make animals either. The baboon probably needed a lot of work in the fur but nothing like new rig (mandril is avaible) or nothing on the level of the porcupine. And as much as i love the dama gazelle if you replace it for the baboon the pack could've been better. That and the really confusing miss of getting a cobra as the exhibit animal.
Arid on the other hand was a regional pack disguised as a biome pack. The lack of the baboon and the spurred tortoise ( if they wanted to keep it North african - middle eastern) hurts the diversity of the pack, specially because they weren't super hard to make animals either. The baboon probably needed a lot of work in the fur but nothing like new rig (mandril is avaible) or nothing on the level of the porcupine. And as much as i love the dama gazelle if you replace it for the baboon the pack could've been better. That and the really confusing miss of getting a cobra as the exhibit animal.
Actually yeah
1. Hamadryas baboon (desert-scrublands-african savanah)
2. Howler monkey (grasslands-wetlands-subtropical woodlands)
3. Spider monkey (LATAM tropical rainforests)
4. Golden snub nosed monkey (mountain-taiga)
5. Lion tailed Macaque (Indian savannah)
6. Mantled guereza (african tropical rainforest)
7. Crabs eating Macaque (coastal mangroves) or Bárbary Macaque (temperate woodlands)
8. WTE: tamarins and marmosets
