a brand new player can go from sidewinder and 1000 credits to 30 billons and Elite 5 in exobiology - sure it takes some time, but nothing else
Pay2Win made it to Elite
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a brand new player can go from sidewinder and 1000 credits to 30 billons and Elite 5 in exobiology - sure it takes some time, but nothing else
All anything ever took was time. That time now has even less meaning than it once did, whatever you believe that to be. Oh well.
The main issue I take with arx ships ( and bearing in mind that I would have bought the MK 2 ) is that this game has always been about spending time playing , understanding the stupid little things that should have been obvious. A new player just buying the ship with no real idea of what and how and where. The learning goes with the journey , whilst it's rated as a "MMO" it's more of the individuals journey . Missing out on bits to fast track to ships doesn't help the player it just frustrates .
Since I started playing I have helped many commanders in many ways to understand the stupid little things that should be obvious that make the game fun .
Over the past 8 years and many hours the game has become easier with fast tracks to ranks money and ships . How many people have gone to Hutton for the "free anaconda"? And were upset to find it's not true .
Maybe I'm an old man with many thousands of hours in game , I use a dolphin for exploration Why ? Because I like it not because it's the best exploration ship in game. I don't own an anaconda why because for me it's terrible ship , I like doing combat in the FAS , I don't any of the alliance variant ships because they are so damn ugly. But they are things I have tried along that journey.
In the end Fdev rightly knew that could make money by selling early access ( it's a new ship) but free engineering and guardian ( the guardian sites are a must at least once( modules , ships and weapons) for anyone isn't the way to do it .
Just my little opinion from a grumpy old man
Everybody arguing that paying money to save time in the game not being an advantage is acting intellectually dishonest IMO. By definition, paying real money to gain an advantage in a game is "pay to win".
What I don't get is this allergic reaction to the term itself. Where is the problem with Elite being "pay to win"? In principle, it always was to a degree (Cobra Mk4, Horizons ships and engineering feature, Odyssey advantages like Scorpion SRV). It is not a black/white distinction, it is a spectrum.
I think we should embrace the term. Yes, Elite: Dangerous is a pay2win game! However, it is trying hard to balance the "win" part in such a way that nobody gets upset too much, lest he won't return the "pay" part. And in this light I have some troubles with the prebuilt non-storing modules. This balancing is wrong, it nerfs the pay advantage too hard, especially for beginners.
What I don't get is this allergic reaction to the term itself. Where is the problem with Elite being "pay to win"? In principle, it always was to a degree (Cobra Mk4, Horizons ships and engineering feature, Odyssey advantages like Scorpion SRV). It is not a black/white distinction, it is a spectrum.
I think we should embrace the term. Yes, Elite: Dangerous is a pay2win game! However, it is trying hard to balance the "win" part in such a way that nobody gets upset too much, lest he won't return the "pay" part. And in this light I have some troubles with the prebuilt non-storing modules. This balancing is wrong, it nerfs the pay advantage too hard, especially for beginners.
People don’t like admitting, even to themselves, that they’ve paid for an advantage in the game.
The thing is, while Pay-to-Win may be described as a spectrum, it’s best described as a river flowing downstream. It starts at the headwaters of No P2W, and flows down to the Sea of Pay-to-Advance. Some developers may be able to resist the current for a while, and even swim upstream, but most will eventually tire and float downstream with the current. This is bad for the game, and the player-base in general, because it incentivizes the Developer to alter the game to make such real money in-game purchases not optional, but mandatory.
This game never started at the headwaters. The Kickstarter started with some Pay-For-Convenience, and a few very minor examples of Pay-For-Assets. Frontier managed to swim upstream to Pay-For-Cosmetics for a bit, but soon tired of pay-for-cosmetics and floated downstream to major example of Pay-For-Capabilities with Horizons. It had seemed that they were struggling upstream again with the free expansion of Beyond, but they never quite made it out of that zone with the release of Odyssey.
And now Frontier has floated downstream once again, firmly into the Pay-For-Assets rapids. And this is alarming to some players, because they’ve watched other Developers follow this river before, and there’s a waterfall at the end of the rapids, Pay-For-Boosts. Once they’ve plunged over that waterfall, they’re usually too tired to resist simply floating the short distance to the Sea.
I've paid for a ship that is fun to fly... I have the advantage that many others, who I shall never meet in the game, or even RL, do not, but can have (unless they insist on only using H 4.x instead of firing up EDO, just the once, to buy) in August... I'm a winner!
I love the rhetoric used, but, nowhere, is the observation made that the individual is able to determine if they pay for a product or service, or just say "No".
I don't mind heavily biased constructions, they are interesting to peruse, and the above is a great story, no doubt about it.
It would just make so much sense if posters (many of whom debate "balance" in the game quite seriously!) could apply said balance to their own contributions, wouldn't it?
That's because it's about behavior of the developer, not the customer. Nobody thinks that Frontier is going to send thugs to people's home, and force them to purchase ARX. But we've seen this pattern of behavior from other developers, and what some of us are worried about is what comes next.
I've been complaining about credit reward inflation since Gamma, and if Frontier sees how successful their current strategy is, perhaps they'll finally fix that little "problem." But hey! For 1250 ARX, players can acquire a one-day boost to mission rewards. They'll dial down material spawn rates, and sell Engineering Starting packs for 5999 ARX! Increase the requirements for guardian modules, and then sell the unlocks for 49,999 ARX!
There's no guarantee that Frontier will do something like this, and perhaps they won't. They might be one of those who resist the allure of easy money, and make a great game instead. But then again, that's what we've been telling ourselves ever since the Kickstarter when it comes to Pay-For-Assets. It's just a little amount of pay-to-win! It's still good! It's still good.
After all, it's not like Frontier has ever done anything shady in the past, like devaluing the buying power of existing ARX, right?
Oh come on, let's not get "unbalanced" now.
Andrew's on the path
How did Andy get a billion and Anaconda for "starting out"?
Maybe his NPCs (Npc Parent Characters) were politicians too
It was a joke mate, in reference to something a politician once said.
How would I know.
Maybe he bought a jump starter pack!
Sometimes being balanced is the same as being wrong.
Even if one has avoided current events for the last...I don't know, nine or ten-thousand years...and has never encountered a businessman or politician bragging about being self-made, while clearly having come from extreme privilege, the fact that players cannot (at least not yet) start out with a billion credits and and Anaconda should have given it away.
this pay to win gets me.i bought the python 2 as it there. it wont except stored module,its got 2 pulse lasers,so it no advantage to a new player as he still has to obtain the engineers and credits to buy the modules,he still has to collectt the mats to upgrade,the only advantage i see is that he starts in a python instead of a basic sidney. and will have a greater starting jump range,my 2 pyhons i have are far better as ive obtained all required bit and bobs,so pay to win no way.
Try selling the installed module, then putting the stored one on. There's a known issue with trying to directly swap from storage.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/python-mk-ii-modules-known-issue.625170/
will do havnt realy worked on it but tried to fit beams from storage into empty slots it wouldnt except stored modules,i was on my fc at the time,i look at it again thanks for the heads up..
The linked thread says buy something for the slot, then swap, so you might have to go to a station to get around it for the time being, unless you can buy something from your carrier shipyard.
will give that a shot think i read something somewhere but my head is like a sieve at most times lol.cheers