DLC18 discussion and predictions

[NachoB]

Why does the ibis suggestions always turn into this? Just agree to disagree.

The funniest thing about this is that my comment wasn't meant to be serious haha

I do prefer them as habitat animals ofc and the fact that they are kept or not exclusively in aviaries in the real world doesn't really matter because: 1. Is a game and you can play however your imagination or creativity allows you to 2. You can build piece by piece aviaries in the game for habitat birds/primates anyway and 3. You can delete all the walls of the WTE so you can even turn then into open habitats.

What animals that are chosen for the WTE is based on how their particular locomotion is not fit for the regular habitats with current Game mechanics. And considering that ibises do work as habitat birds that's why i said (kind of jokingly BTW) that wanting them for the WTE was crazy.

And on top of all that i like the WTE. I have always liked them and defend their inclusion in the game and even with it's limitations (like size and straight path) i've seen people do awesome things with them. So if ibises come in the WTE and the do fly and perch then they are more than welcome in that way, but we know they can work perfectly fine as habitat birds as well.

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Once again, though, I don't actually care either way. My objection was to the idea that it's "crazy" to imagine them as a WTE animal instead of a habitat animal. It's not crazy. It's a perfectly reasonable position. If they gave us a habitat ibis, I'm not going to complain that they should be a WTE animal (this isn't a koala situation where they retrospectively would have worked better as an exhibit animal like the sloths). It really doesn't actually matter. It's the notion that anyone who actually likes the WTE or exhibits in general is somehow wrong that I object to, and it's been a recurring theme throughout the game's lifespan.

But It's crazy, like in this whole thread you don't give a single good reason why they should be WE animals, only using arguments that can be disproven by the presence of similar animals such as flamingo (and before you say anything else, they share similar body types, niche and flight habits, there's no reason why one should be WE and the other habitat), like frontier let it clear when tropical released that a WE animal is only put in WE if it doesn't fits habitat or DE, or fits better on WE, whith neither opitions fitting the ibises.

E.g. tamarins and marmosets. I would much prefer these as WTE animals if they ever came. IMO it makes sense; they are tiny

GLT is bigger than meerkat, and most tamarins and marmosets are about it size.

I woun't discuss about WE tamarins and marmosets anyway, last time we did, it ended poorly, but i just find funny that the main argument in prol of it isn't even true.

 

[DarthQuell]

There is no argument around "how the game works". We don't have any aviary birds in the game at all (and most likely never will), so there is nothing to compare it to.

We aren't comparing the ibis to aviary birds in the first place, but you keep bringing up aviaries

In that first video Utahraptor shared they are perched very high up. Not low to the ground. As for whether my argument is "valid", I don't actually think you even know what I'm arguing.

You've stated how flamingos and cranes have clipped wings, you've stated in the oats that they perch up high. Everytime the ibis is brought up, you're the only one to suggest that they'd come as WEs

 

[NachoB]

But It's crazy, like in this whole thread you don't give a single good reason why they should be WE animals, only using arguments that can be disproven by the presence of similar animals such as flamingo (and before you say anything else, they share similar body types, niche and flight habits, there's no reason why one should be WE and the other habitat), like frontier let it clear when tropical released that a WE animal is only put in WE if it doesn't fits habitat or DE, or fits better on WE, whith neither opitions fitting the ibises.


GLT is bigger than meerkat, and most tamarins and marmosets are about it size.

I woun't discuss about WE tamarins and marmosets anyway, last time we did, it ended poorly, but i just find funny that the main argument in prol of it isn't even true.

The only valid reason to put tamarins and marmosets in the WTE is the way they behave. They are way more "twitchy" than regular monkeys and move really fast and constantly. Idk if that would work for the habitat and climbing system. So i'm on the fence on them being WtE animals or not.

 

[DarthQuell]

You're not looking very hard. I refuse to believe you have never heard of zoos keeping primates on open air islands, for example. That's just ludicrous.

I haven't, no. I've seen monkeys, but not gibbons. But then again, have you checked about possibly ibises in open air enclosures? Before you point fingers, do the same yourself

 

[NachoB]

Also, guys look at this photo with all pretty birds we could've has but we don't because Frontier hates them:

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

The only valid reason to put tamarins and marmosets in the WTE is the way the behave. They are way more "twitchy" that regular monkeys and move really fast and constantly.

Lemurs are also very "twitchy" and they we're present since base game. And this is overally identical to the anti-gibbon discuss there was before conservation, 'they wont add gibbon cuz they brachiate" and we end up with both siamang and lar

A pro tip about WE, if you don't know if a animal should be WE, think about the reason you think so, and then see if there's a animal with a similar thrait already in game (ibis - flamingo / tamarin - lemur, meerkat, gibbon) if the anshwer is yes than it shoudn't be a WE animal.

 

[NachoB]

Lemurs are also very "twitchy" and they we're present since base game. And this is overally identical to the anti-gibbon discuss there was before conservation, 'they wont add gibbon cuz they brachiate" and we end up with both siamang and lar

A pro tip about WE, if you don't know or think a animal should be WE, think about the reason you think so, and then see if there's a animal with a similar thrait already in game (ibis - flamingo / tamarin - lemur, meerkat, gibbon) if the anshwer is yes than it shoudn't be a WE animal.

Yeah that's mostly my reasoning as well, specially when people suggest things like pheasants, rabbits and ducks for the WTE. Like, why? We have peafowls, quokkas and swans so they would work fine as habitat. Same with the ibises/spoonbills.

 

[OkapiFan]

LEGO PlanZo!!!

Oh how quickly my money would fly from my bank account As a huge Lego fan and a massive Zoo nerd, this would be the actual dream! Just imagine a set of buildable animals for each DLC with the scenery packs also containing bits of props and plants! Imagine the possibilities!!!

 

[DarthQuell]

Also, guys look at this photo with all pretty birds we could've has but we don't because Frontier hates them:

I still want the screamer. Imagine hearing that in-game l

 

[Marvinb]

I feel like when it comes to ground birds pheasants are criminally underated. Due to their beauty and ubiquity in zoos, they absolutely should be included

 

[DarthQuell]

What about guineafowl? I feel like they tend to be forgotten

 

[NachoB]

I don't think any of them are forgotten. They do come up often as ground bird options. And i do agree we need both haha

 

[Thylaco]

The problem is that none of them are popular enough. I've never saw anyone suggesting the maguari, and there's only like, 10 people (me included) who wants the jabirou.

There is also the problem of how many of those people are actually after the Black-necked stork, basically only known as a Jabiru in Australia as far as I know (probably only one or two).

Man...I rewatched some of the earlier launch trailers today. It's starting to hit me that this is really probably going to be the end for real...

Gonna need a new hobby lol

Miniatures might be something to take up, if you haven't already, you can spend years putting off painting your models.

You can even print your own or others designs with a resin printer (you do need a garage for it, it needs to be away from sunlight, produces a lot of fumes and needs gloves to handle), or get/make some designs and pay someone to print and prime them.

I've made a few half decent models, the Nightstalker and Flooer from After Man, though I do have a sort of library of basic models I could upgrade from my ZT1 mods and a retrosaur animation project.

 

[Milurian]

Isnt the pig also technically a subspecies of the wild boar?

No at least not according to the ingame taxonomy just same genus in general most domestic species are separated from their wild counterparts.
It's not even that. Cats are almost always kept in covered enclosures. With that reasoning, then cats should be WEs as well. So should all primates, because I've never seen gibbons in open air enclosures...

The ibis will work entirely perfect as a flamingo-like animal

I fully agree with your point just because something normally is only kept in a covered enclosure doesnt immediately discredit it from being a habitat animal especially considering the massive limitations in what walk through offer.
However plenty of cats arent kept in roofed enclosures and I have been to zoos that have had gibbons in open air habitats before.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

Why in gods name have we not brought up the scarlet ibis when talking about South American birds?
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Oh boy what a mess I've stirred up this time lol

Cats are almost always kept in covered enclosures.

Ehhhh not always, larger cats like tigers, lions, cougars can be held in uncovered enclosures given there is some other thing seperating them from the guests (tall fences, moat, etc.) My local zoo actually has a really cool cave underpass so you can go underneath the lions, plus the enclosure has no net to be seen.

I'm not taking anyone's side because I can see it go both ways but more so the habitat route. If we have gotten birds like swans, flamingos, cranes etc. that are regularly kept in open enclosures with clipped wings, there shouldn't be a reason they can't imply the same thing with the ibis. Its size can fit in with the rest of our habitat birds, and they can imply the same concept of "clipped wings" for the ibis as they do with the swan and others. It CAN fit with the WTE system, but I don't see the need to given there are lots of other exhibit options for SA like eyelash viper or emerald tree boa.

 

[DarthQuell]

Ehhhh not always, larger cats like tigers, lions, cougars can be held in uncovered enclosures given there is some other thing seperating them from the guests (tall fences, moat, etc.) My local zoo actually has a really cool cave underpass so you can go underneath the lions, plus the enclosure has no net to be seen.

I was actually referring to jaguars, pumas, and clouded leopards
I just lumped cats together

It CAN fit with the WTE system, but I don't see the need to given there are lots of other exhibit options for SA like eyelash viper or emerald tree boa.

I mean yes, but couldn't we use that argument for everything? Technically the capuchins could be also, as well as the monitors and small animals like the sand cat and fennec fox. The point is that if the ibis can fit the current habitat mechanic, why bring up WEs in the 1st place?

 

[Doran]

GLT is bigger than meerkat, and most tamarins and marmosets are about it size.

Meerkat is almost twice the size than most tamarin species. Only fat lion tamarin specimens in captivity can reach it sizes.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

GLT is bigger than meerkat

GLT is just smaller, I saw them both last week and I’d say the average GLT is like three quarters of the size of a meerkat.

 

[SalamAnders]

I see we are back to ignoring the fact that the Walk-through exhibit can be just as open-topped as the habitats.