DLC18 discussion and predictions

[ElectricMonk]

frankly, I’d take any flying birds in any way I can get them - I think Ibis would be perfectly ok in regular habitats (it’s easy to build an aviary if that’s what you want) but, if Frontier want to give them to me as WT then I’ll take them that way and won’t complain… The only benefit of WT is that they’d fly but imo that could be made true (enough for ibis, spoonbills, etc) for habitats too just with a good jump animation and / or enrichment items.

 

[yoav_r]

What happened in the last 20 pages? Were there news?

 

[Marvinb]

Jwe got some news, otherwise nothing

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Meerkat is almost twice the size than most tamarin species. Only fat lion tamarin specimens in captivity can reach it sizes.

GLT is just smaller, I saw them both last week and I’d say the average GLT is like three quarters of the size of a meerkat.

Glt: 65 cms at max - 48 at minimal
Cotton top: 66 cms at max - 53 at minimal
Meerkat: 60 cms at max - 48 at minimal
White tuff - 48 cms on average
(To lazy to find GLT, cotton top and meerkat avarege size, but you get the point)

While yes, most species of tamarins are 20 - 30 cms on size, hence smaller than the smallest meerkat, three of the most popular ones are still on the size range of it, and dwarvens they offsprings.

Not like we will receive a tamarin that isn't the glt, but still.

I see we are back to ignoring the fact that the Walk-through exhibit can be just as open-topped as the habitats.

"Can't wait to go to the zoo and see the open top bat enclousure!"

We aren't ignoring it btw, it's just a irrelevant information in this context.

 

[Puzzelo]

frankly, I’d take any flying birds in any way I can get them - I think I is would be perfectly ok in regular habitats (it’s easy to build an aviary if that’s what you want) but, if Frontier want to give them to me as WT then I’ll take them that way and won’t complain… The only benefit of WT is that they’d fly but imo that could be made true (enough for ibis, spoonbills, etc) for habitats too just with a good jump animation and / or enrichment items.

Same. I don’t even care if it’s super realistic. I don’t care if they’d fly away in reality. I don’t carrrrrrrrrre

 

[BananaLeech]

That is not fair, there are not that many opened enclosures for clouded leopards either, and yet they are in game. It is not a different case, if you want, you are free to mesh their enclosures in game.

Like that mattered before.
Alot of cats and primates are usually in netted enclosures.
We can also build outdoor enclosures for crocodilians and king penguins.
So id dont see any issue with the ibis

Hmm sounds convincing. Then here’s my other question: if we can use animals usually kept indoors as an argument to suggest an aviary bird as a habitat animal then would anyone object if I suggest that birds of prey and parrots be added as habitat animals as well?

 

[Captain Callum]

anyone object if I suggest that birds of prey and parrots be added as habitat animals as well?

If it can be done by frontier, yeah why not. Modders are doing decent work bringing birds on other animals rigs that are believable enough to add non-flying birds to the game. When considering design, realistic aviaries that allow both the animal and player the freedom they both need, require a habitat setup to build custom aviaries. The fact that many of us do not expect frontier to ever make birds habitats, is the main reason why I'm making so making static bird props so anyone that wants to design a proper aviary with whatever bird can do so.

 

[Doran]

(To lazy to find GLT, cotton top and meerkat avarege size, but you get the point)

I can help you.
Meerkat average weight: 720g
Now for tamarins according to EAZA guides:
Golden Lion: 520g (upscaled to 580g when biggest captive specimens are taken into account). From there it doesnt matter, since all other tamarins are smaller. Charlie noticed how GL is about three quarters the size of meerkat. It is just a fact.

 

[Marvinb]

Hmm sounds convincing. Then here’s my other question: if we can use animals usually kept indoors as an argument to suggest an aviary bird as a habitat animal then would anyone object if I suggest that birds of prey and parrots be added as habitat animals as well?

For me the indicator for exhibit vs habitat when it comes to birds isnt if they can fly or in which way they are kept in real life.
For me the important thing is if they would look believeable as habitat animals, which means without flight.
And admittedly ibises are kinda pushing it in that regard.
But imo they would work perfectly fine as habitat animals if they get some kind of enrichment item to perch on

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

I can help you.
Meerkat average weight: 720g
Now for tamarins according to EAZA guides:
Golden Lion: 520g (upscaled to 580g when biggest captive specimens are taken into account). From there it doesnt matter, since all other tamarins are smaller.

Mass in this context is irrelevant as we are specifically refering to the lenght of the animals, idk why you are using it as the measure to begin with.

Charlie noticed how GL is about three quarters the size of meerkat. It is just a fact.

Visual measuring can be misleading in the context, not only because of individuals size differences (again a max size meerkat will look bigger than a minimal size GLT) but also because of other circunstances such as distance and evrimoment, with the fact that tail makes a lot of those animals size.

Example are those two photos, where both animals have similar sizes:

Edit: im not saying that charlie is lying though, i believe on him that he saw GLTs smaller than meerkat, im just saying that we shoudn't use it as a objectivelly fact.

 

[Doran]

Mass in this context is irrelevant as we are specifically refering to the lenght of the animals, idk why you are using it as the measure to begin with

Because it is the correct form of measure. Lenght is irellevant.

Besides i told you only fat captive specimens of GL tamarin are known to reach sizes of average meerkat. You just provied image of one rofl.

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Because it is the correct form of measure. Lenght is irellevant.

It's not, lol.

We are specifically refering to sheer size in this context as we are talking about a game, mass is extremelly irrelevant in this context.

If a meerkat weight 1 ton in game and a glt weight 1g but the meerkat is 50 cm and glt 60cms, the glt will be bigger, idk what the difficulty on understand a simple concept.

 

[Doran]

Made a silly little chart about in-game size difference between meerkat and golden lion tamarin, which should be the smallest habitat species after its potential introduction. Featuring not so long prairie dog.

 

[DarthQuell]

if we can use animals usually kept indoors as an argument to suggest an aviary bird as a habitat animal then would anyone object if I suggest that birds of prey and parrots be added as habitat animals as well?

The reason I object to that is because of the following: free flight. For many people, to have birds that typically fly not fly, they'd feel like it's a waste. But, there were so many glitches with the deep diving mechanic, and that was localized in a small area (pools). Imagine free flying animals, phasing through barriers and build pieces, but now they're spread all over the map, not localized in a single area like deep diving...

Also, I have seen raptors in open air enclosures, but those are typically hurt and unable to fly anyway; I dunno about other countries, but in the US you can't have raptors in closed areas, they must be free, in theory

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

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Made a silly little chart about in-game size difference between meerkat and golden lion tamarin, which should be the smallest habitat species after its potential introduction. Featuring not so long prairie dog.

Fair enough, should have specify that i was using the tail's on the metrics.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

damn, I've never had to scroll to find the Summer Speculation thread, usually right at the top

So other than the casual birds, SA, and monkeys, what animals would you want to see in a "collection pack?"

 

[Captain Callum]

damn, I've never had to scroll to find the Summer Speculation thread, usually right at the top

So other than the casual birds, SA, and monkeys, what animals would you want to see in a "collection pack?"

 

[Marvinb]

damn, I've never had to scroll to find the Summer Speculation thread, usually right at the top

So other than the casual birds, SA, and monkeys, what animals would you want to see in a "collection pack?"

Not really that much animals that arent birds, monkeys or SA that are really all that high prio for me
Obviously there are a few id like to see, but honestly i have a hard time naming any that i would personally put in a 8 animals final pack.

Treekangaroo and echidna would be awesome.
Yellow throated marten is a super underrated and versatile pick that id love to get.
Some kind of basic filler asian hoofstock like the balckbuck or muntjac would be pretty usefull
And small filler animals in general, like marmot, hyrax or luzon cloud rat.
But as i said before, none of these really strike me personally as something that i would put in an 8 animals final pack

 

[Marvinb]

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Isnt that technically a south american animal aswell?

 

[TheDuckKnight]

damn, I've never had to scroll to find the Summer Speculation thread, usually right at the top

So other than the casual birds, SA, and monkeys, what animals would you want to see in a "collection pack?"

Imo walrus and tree kangaroo are by far the two highest priorities outside those golden trinity (birds, monkeys, SA).