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DLC18 discussion and predictions
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Random question. Does anyone think theres an actual logical reason frontier hasn't done another South America Pack or even touched South America in most packs?
I think 2 things
one a majority of the animal people want are harder to make either climbing monkeys or birds
two the average person playing this game does not have much exposure to south american animals in comparison to other regions like africa because outside the 2 mentioned categories of monkeys and birds the only animals that are common in both the zoos and public concious would be the mara and coati
I think it's as simple as "uh, we already did South America." That and if we're being real about it? The demand for South American representation wasn't there until very recently (like, within the last two packs). We can talk about all of the SA representation in the current iteration of the meta wish list but... Think about all of the animals that had to get knocked off for that to happen.
The reality is: There were higher priority animals for the community at large.
Rhea
Spectacled Bear
Roseatte Spoonbill
Ocelot
Squirrel Monkey…
I could continue but you get the idea. There are alot of interesting animals that would not be as hard to make, as they can all use existing rigs and animations. People were asking about general SA representation, not just birds and monkeys, but also for a bigger number of animals to pick from the region.
About the exposure to South American animals - that entirely depends on region I guess. My local zoos have tons of SA animals. Also, not that real life captivity numbers concern Frontier much, as was shown alot of times with their picks.
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Probably just that the despite what a few people here want South America isn't actually badly represented except for monkeys. Most South American animals fall under "nice to have" not "need to have". South American animals, particularly smaller ones like the mara, coati, etc. are all fairly niche to the average person no matter how common they are in real zoos.
Maybe They Forgot About? Or Maybe They Thought They Should Cover Other Continents First.
Only one of those I can comfortably see the average person knowing exists the rest while good unless you have been exposed to them before they are relatively unknown its not that they arent interesting its that overall they are not in the public conscious. yes exposure depends largely on your region but overall especially in europe south america is limited to small mammals and tropical birds which have proven difficult to introduce to the game. Im not saying south america doesnt deserve representation or that the animals are bad but in the tier list of what is deemed important south america just probably isnt up there due to the general audience having no idea what it has. Yes frontier has shown no problem using animals with little captive pressence but they wont base a whole pack on those animals and when they do introduce animal with low captive presence there is usually a reason people knew about the saiga even though its rare in captivity.
this is exactly it most south american animals in zoos are largely filler animals like the mara and coati the only major zoo features are the tropical birds and monkeys. It doesnt matter how many hundreds of zoos the mara is in people are still going to find it niche and random because it isnt a headliner. This has made south america as a theme not ideal until now even so most packs have had south american representation with the only not continent style packs not to have at least one south american animal being twilight, conservation and arid.
Oh nice is it south America slander day? Taking away birds, exhibit animals and niche filler animals south America is pretty much left with the most popular requested animals - monkeys, ocelot, rhea, spectacled bear and coati. South America in regard to the overall games lineup is fairly represented over the multiple dlcs that have included a south America animal. Like a lot of things in the forum, it is grossly overestimated how much value south america can realistically bring to the roster we don't already have something of.
I think the issue is at this point I want the filler animals more than anything else, bring me the monkeys, birds, coati, and baboons. I don’t need a ton more than that, honestly I would love an animal pack full of mostly “filler” animals. It would add depth to my zoos.
I agree, like everything being said this forum is an echo chamber. There is a reason that barnyard was more well received out here, as much as we say they used the “wrong breeds” the average person won’t care.
I agree, like everything being said this forum is an echo chamber. There is a reason that barnyard was more well received out here, as much as we say they used the “wrong breeds” the average person won’t care.
Yeah honestly I agree. Taking away popular birds like macaws and eagles as well as monkeys (capuchins, spider monkeys, tamarins) a lot of the public isn’t too familiar with South American animals except for the ones that we already have gotten like the Jaguar and the Capybara. The remaining ones like Mara, Rhea, Ocelot, even Coati the general public doesn’t know off the topic their head so a full pack of these types of species can’t go well.
I mean isnt that the same for the last like 6 packs?
Like the vast majority of arid, oceania, tropical and eurasias animals the average guy havent heard of unless you live in that region.
I tbh i always find that "average person doesnt know about it" argument not particulary strong.
I mean if your not into animals your not really in the market to buy dlc with more animals in a game about animals anyways
I do not agree at all. What species at this point is not niche ? Most popular animals at this point the general public will not know. Also, Southeast Asia? That pack was full of niche species and it performed well. Most players in this stage of game’s life are either hardcore players or people that like animals in general. Most of the casuals forgot about the game ages ago, so I think the argument of casuals would not like that is greatly overated.
It is fine if you personally do not care about South America, but saying that it is not possible to make an interesting pack out of it is just not true.
It is fine if you personally do not care about South America, but saying that it is not possible to make an interesting pack out of it is just not true.
Actually wouldn’t the number of casual players increase now due to the console release?
But the packs don’t need to have all recognizable species, they just need a couple to sell the pack and be the cover. That’s why the camel and the wisent were the covers of their packs, because they are the most recognizable along with the donkey and porcupine from arid. In tropical, the gibbon was the most known and wouldn’t you know it, it was the head of the pack. Oceania is a different case, I feel like they chose the kiwi not only because it might be slightly more popular than the rest, but it’s a bird and usually people love birds.
Now saying that I guess it contradicts my point of a SA 2 pack since it only needs 1 or 2 species to advertise it like a bird or monkey.
I think the squirrel monkey is probably the most well known South American animal left so it may headline a South America pack even if it is not the most requested monkey on this forum
It's definitely not exposure to or knowledge of Latin American species. Shepreth showcases its coatis and has maras right by the zoo entrance mixed with their Capybaras. South American wildlife is definitely not obscure to anyone in the UK with even a mild interest in zoology - in fact I think it would be the first continent most people here would think of when they think about biodiversity.
I think its just timing. They did their first SA pack early on, then had other packs lined up (probably all planned a very, very long time in advance) and have their next SA one lined up and coming soon. If it doesn't come this year I'll eat my hat but if it does, it's just been a matter of timing and wanting to cover some other bases first.
I think its just timing. They did their first SA pack early on, then had other packs lined up (probably all planned a very, very long time in advance) and have their next SA one lined up and coming soon. If it doesn't come this year I'll eat my hat but if it does, it's just been a matter of timing and wanting to cover some other bases first.
I guess so, but by the time they would release that potentional SA pack on consoles, the casuals over there would left too, lol.
People here saying that SA fauna wasn't requested or that it was niche seens to have forgotten that 60% of the last year animals also lies in the same categories. Who the heck wanted dama gazelle for example?
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