DLC18 discussion and predictions

[NachoB]

I mean, when it comes to snakes, another one to think about are coral snakes, which are a striking color that most would recognize (maybe not the exact species or whether it's a coral snake or milk snake, but still)

All this snake talk makes me wish we had more snakes in-game. Green anaconda, copperhead, Boomslang...

Yeah me too but then when we got another snake we were upset hahaha

Tbf we were probably expecting a cobra instead of the viper so that it might have been the Main problem with it.

And the lack of proper "hiding in the sand" animations that is distinctive of said snake.

 

[DarthQuell]

Yeah me too but then when we got another snake we were upset hahaha

Tbf we were probably expecting a cobra instead of the viper so that it might have been the Main problem with it.

And the lack of proper "hiding in the sand" animations that is distinctive of said snake.

There isn't any sand in the desert tank
It's all sandstone, which is a real shame

 

[Marvinb]

I mean, when it comes to snakes, another one to think about are coral snakes, which are a striking color that most would recognize (maybe not the exact species or whether it's a coral snake or milk snake, but still)

All this snake talk makes me wish we had more snakes in-game. Green anaconda, copperhead, Boomslang...

I wish we had more snakes that actually look atleast okayish
Most of those we have look like they came out of a playstation 2 game

 

[Aramar]

If they don’t add it just because of its butt then I’m gonna be incredibly disappointed.

We already have monkey with a singular butt like the mandrill so I don't think that's a problem. We even got an ass too

 

[Milurian]

I think another thing that hasn't been brought up is the fact that many people might think we already have a baboon, with the mandrill. I mean, they're similar looking and related to each other (mandrills were considered baboons at one point). If you see old media (movies/games), then they use a basic baboon and it often look like a mandrill with a tail...
Just a possibility, of course

This is definitely true when alot of people think of a baboon they think of the mandrill because that is what is most often shown in media. If we are talking about true baboons the olive baboon is more well known then the hamadrayas.

Here is my understanding for the remaining “ABC” animals that they could add (that are also not clones):

1. A proper Baboon
2. A new monkey
3. A duck
4. A pelican
5. Hot take, but due to its iconic looks I can honestly see the Walrus

Otherwise, I think that’s kind of it. Debatable 5 or so animals that aren’t “clones”, otherwise some zoo basics would be “clones” of pre existing terms. Otherwise I agree, the remaining top animals are fairly niche. The tree kangaroo, secretary bird, musk ox, and coati are all awesome animals but fall more into a specific niche than some of their counterparts.

The only thing that makes me argue against the “ABC animal vs. Filler animal” is how many people who play Planet Zoo aren’t also animal lovers of some higher than average level? How many people pick up Planet Zoo and only care about the ABCs, vs. how many genuinely like a lot of animals/ have higher than average recognition of them. I don’t know.

I just love how one second people are saying that a huge chunk of planet zoo players are coming from planet coaster and will leave when planet coaster 2 comes out then also say stuff like arent all planet zoo players well versed in animals.
This has become become increasingly obvious with a few content creators who just dont know what half the animals in the newer pack are.

 

[Spartan_Squat]

I think that some kind of early report is released in August. But you can also check this site for any news:

Company - Frontier Developments plc.

frontier-nuxt3-corporate-app

www.frontier.co.uk

Thanks man, but there is no pdf like all previous years showing what they have?
They mentioned we have pdlc for pz this fiscal year but not how many. JWE2 got 2 and PZ one dlc.

 

[AndyZoos]

South America is objectively underrepresented in the game. But most of the animals remaining for that region aren't full-on essentials to the average player. Both of these things can be true. It's not mutually exclusive. But anyway. I want another monkey, the ocelot, and the coati. Anything more than that is icing on the cake or feels just a bit too unlikely for one reason or another (tamandua).

Just not in lieu of my tree kangaroo, please! Therefore, I'm Team Zookeeper MegaPack or bust. Anywho...

I just love how one second people are saying that a huge chunk of planet zoo players are coming from planet coaster and will leave when planet coaster 2 comes out then also say stuff like arent all planet zoo players well versed in animals.
This has become become increasingly obvious with a few content creators who just dont know what half the animals in the newer pack are.

I think there's a pretty wide range of people that play the game. Among my friends and family, I'm generally considered an animal aficionado but in a lot of online circles? I don't know a thing. Haha.

But among content creators, I definitely think that there's a skew toward builders over animal lovers so yeah, they aren't always familiar with all the species... But I also would have considered some of the ones they've not known about to be essential and/or pretty common. So I dunno.

Thanks man, but there is no pdf like all previous years showing what they have?
They mentioned we have pdlc for pz this fiscal year but not how many. JWE2 got 2 and PZ one dlc.

The PDF is what will probably be coming in August. It takes a bit of time to digest the information, figure out what they want (or don't want) to say about the year ahead, how to communicate it, etc. But apparently they'll be releasing some additional information in June. And the news is good, apparently, thanks to Planet Zoo console and the other existing CSM titles.

 

[Milurian]

South America is objectively underrepresented in the game. But most of the animals remaining for that region aren't full-on essentials to the average player. Both of these things can be true. It's not mutually exclusive. But anyway. I want another monkey, the ocelot, and the coati. Anything more than that is icing on the cake or feels just a bit too unlikely for one reason or another (tamandua).

Just not in lieu of my tree kangaroo, please! Therefore, I'm Team Zookeeper MegaPack or bust. Anywho...

I think there's a pretty wide range of people that play the game. Among my friends and family, I'm generally considered an animal aficionado but in a lot of online circles? I don't know a thing. Haha.

But among content creators, I definitely think that there's a skew toward builders over animal lovers so yeah, they aren't always familiar with all the species... But I also would have considered some of the ones they've not known about to be essential and/or pretty common. So I dunno.


The PDF is what will probably be coming in August. It takes a bit of time to digest the information, figure out what they want (or don't want) to say about the year ahead, how to communicate it, etc. But apparently they'll be releasing some additional information in June. And the news is good, apparently, thanks to Planet Zoo console and the other existing CSM titles.

I fully agree with your point south america is objectively very poorly represented but everything they could add that isnt a monkey or bird is not essential or well known. People here tend to forget just how wide a range of players we have and that we have huge chunks coming from pathways that have had zero interaction with zoology and others who actively sought out the game because of zoology.

 

[AndyZoos]

I fully agree with your point south america is objectively very poorly represented but everything they could add that isnt a monkey or bird is not essential or well known. People here tend to forget just how wide a range of players we have and that we have huge chunks coming from pathways that have had zero interaction with zoology and others who actively sought out the game because of zoology.

To be clear, though, I'm not even saying there's no value in adding species that aren't well-known by a lot of people. Because there definitely is! There's a few animals that would allow them to cater to the diehard animal nerds and everyone else.

Like, I don't actually think the coati is an animal that your average non-forum member would say they want, but because of how cute they are and how lively they would likely be in-game? There's a lot of value in adding them. Nevermind the educational value they could add... But that doesn't mean your average person is missing their presence.

I actually think it's kind of cool whenever I hear/see somebody say "I didn't know Animal X until it got added to the game. And now I love them!" So I'm here for it. But we can't act like all of these species are critical to players across the world of various knowledge levels.

 

[Milurian]

To be clear, though, I'm not even saying there's no value in adding species that aren't well-known by a lot of people. Because there definitely is! There's a few animals that would allow them to cater to the diehard animal nerds and everyone else.

Like, I don't actually think the coati is an animal that your average non-forum member would say they want, but because of how cute they are and how lively they would likely be in-game? There's a lot of value in adding them. Nevermind the educational value they could add... But that doesn't mean your average person is missing their presence.

I actually think it's kind of cool whenever I hear/see somebody say "I didn't know Animal X until it got added to the game. And now I love them!" So I'm here for it. But we can't act like all of these species are critical to players across the world of various knowledge levels.

neither am I just on the priority list these animal have up until recently been ranked quite low

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

.......what the hell did you guys talk about this weekend?

Why was South america discredited as a place to be revisited?
Why were people who are not interested about animals brought up for the NINETEENTH dlc of a zoo building game?
Why is the baboon being slanderd?
Why are mara and coati especally being slanderd when they are literally perfect additions for the game?

I dont know who said it, i think nacho was it 5 pages ago, but this doesnt feel like anything but people flip flopping last second because they are scared their personal favorites might not make it.
Which is completly fair and valid, but saying that the general assesment of "south america is lagging behind" that has been present for years is somehow not true anymore, just because frontier most likly will include a cat, a bear and an ungulate when thats still literally a far better track record regarding diversity then any animal pack since wetlands.
If we want to slice it like that the only things making grasslands cool where emu, wallaby, armadillo and butterflys, the rest was a dog, a cat, a hyena and a high resolution model of a base game african antelope, so why does it get a pass as one of the top 5 packs but a south america pack is whack now when its rocking and equal great combo of rhea and mara, aswell as a monkey, coati and the cat, bear and ungulate?

 

[Milurian]

.......what the hell did you guys talk about this weekend?

Why was South america discredited as a place to be revisited?
Why were people who are not interested about animals brought up for the NINETEENTH dlc of a zoo building game?
Why is the baboon being slanderd?
Why are mara and coati especally being slanderd when they are literally perfect additions for the game?

I dont know who said it, i think nacho was it 5 pages ago, but this doesnt feel like anything but people flip flopping last second because they are scared their personal favorites might not make it.
Which is completly fair and valid, but saying that the general assesment of "south america is lagging behind" that has been present for years is somehow not true anymore, just because frontier most likly will include a cat, a bear and an ungulate when thats still literally a far better track record regarding diversity then any animal pack since wetlands.
If we want to slice it like that the only things making grasslands cool where emu, wallaby, armadillo and butterflys, the rest was a dog, a cat, a hyena and a high resolution model of a base game african antelope, so why does it get a pass as one of the top 5 packs but a south america pack is whack now when its rocking and equal great combo of rhea and mara, aswell as a monkey, coati and the cat, bear and ungulate?

It largely is people taking something I said wildly out of context earlier I replied to a comment about potential reasons why south america hasnt had a second pack I said that it was because most of whats left for south america aside from monkeys and birds is filler less iconic animals. Keep in mind I never said south america souldnt get another pack or that any of the animals were bad just that on the priority list it ranks the same as oceania and eurasia so is likely soon to follow but wasnt likely to come much earlier. The people playing the game not interested in animals was brought up again because it supported said argument and yes they very much do exsist look at any of the planet coaster turn planet zoo youtubers and all the people who did the same which seemingly only ever gets mentioned when people talk about planet coaster 2 killing planet zoo . No one is slandering baboons as a concept just the hamadrayas because no matter how much people want it to be the most iconic baboon to the general public is likely the olive baboon or dare I say mandrill because thats what shows up in media even if the hamadrayas is much more common in captivity. Mara and coati slander is a by product of the argument which isnt even slandering south america just explaining why a pack hasnt happened yet.

Also keep in mind if you exclude monkeys and birds the country and likely entire continent I live in has less than an animal packs worth of south american habitat animals left so they are not as common as people insist they are and for sure if we get a south america pack it will likely have an agouti since they are super common in captivity yet people dont often acknowledge this in speculation.

I fully support a south / central america pack next and think south america is the worst represented region in the game but people forget the packs lag behind the community south america wasnt as big of a priority to the community till this time last year so it could very well still be coming.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

If we want to slice it like that the only things making grasslands cool where emu, wallaby, armadillo and butterflys, the rest was a dog, a cat, a hyena and a high resolution model of a base game african antelope, so why does it get a pass as one of the top 5 packs but a south america pack is whack now when its rocking and equal great combo of rhea and mara, aswell as a monkey, coati and the cat, bear and ungulate?

Tbf, that dog cat and hyena were all pretty requested compared to say the ocelot which is less popular than the caracal was because it’s just a small Jaguar at the end of the day. Grasslands also had worldwide diversity, rather than just 1 focus on a certain continent, that’s why it’s great.

 

[Milurian]

Tbf, that dog cat and hyena were all pretty requested compared to say the ocelot which is less popular than the caracal was because it’s just a small Jaguar at the end of the day. Grasslands also had worldwide diversity, rather than just 1 focus on a certain continent, that’s why it’s great.

There is also the fact that even counting the butterflies as one animal thats still half the pack that is seen as cool which is a good ratio and one of the things that made grasslands good was that it had good south american rep in it the armadillo and maned wolf.

 

[CharlieXGaming]

Now if a South America pack can get us 5 species of macaw, that would definitely convince people to buy it, but would frontier do that? Probably not.

 

[RightWhale]

Now if a South America pack can get us 5 species of macaw, that would definitely convince people to buy it, but would frontier do that? Probably not.

I mean I think any pack that can get us those types of birds would be a sure fire win. Now it would probably be in the WTE, but that would be fine by me.

Most large birds don’t move much at all, and most small birds are like the bats and move too much to work in anything but the WTE.

 

[FoxyDee]

Also keep in mind if you exclude monkeys and birds

But why? Why do you guys keep repeating this argument? Why would we exclude them from the pack? If your concern is that without them the pack would not sell well (lol), then obviously Frontier could add them. Roseate Spoonbill/Scarlet Ibis and couple of monkeys are possible to do with current mechanics, so I am not sure what this argument is supposed to prove.

the country and likely entire continent I live in has less than an animal packs worth of south american habitat animals left so they are not as common as people insist they are

yeah...no.
Patagonian Mara, South American Coati, Rhea...all of those have over 250 holdings and that is just for Europe.

So if we make a pack for example out of:
Monkey
Spoonbill/Ibis
Patagonian Mara
Coati
Rhea
Ocelot
Tamandua

We have a nice combination of animals you you guys argue are the only poppular SA species, common in captivity species and 2 additional not supper common, but interesting animals. Ocelot would be popular with casuals, if you still worry about them. It is a cat, it does not matter if they cannot name it It is a cat, it is cute and casuals would love it.

How would that not work? Why it was ok for Oceania pack to have niche, not common in captivity worldwide animals but it is suddently a problem for South America?

 

[Captain Callum]

Can we stop saying animals aren't that popular because where I live they don't have that many species. It doesn't help any argument at all.

 

[RightWhale]

Can we stop saying animals aren't that popular because where I live they don't have that many species. It doesn't help any argument at all.

Yeah but the problem is that I’m the main character of the universe so if something doesn’t relate to me it’s obviously irrelevant.

 

[NachoB]

But why? Why do you guys keep repeating this argument? Why would we exclude them from the pack? If your concern is that without them the pack would not sell well (lol), then obviously Frontier could add them. Roseate Spoonbill/Scarlet Ibis and couple of monkeys are possible to do with current mechanics, so I am not sure what this argument is supposed to prove.


yeah...no.
Patagonian Mara, South American Coati, Rhea...all of those have over 250 holdings and that is just for Europe.

So if we make a pack for example out of:
Monkey
Spoonbill/Ibis
Patagonian Mara
Coati
Rhea
Ocelot
Tamandua

We have a nice combination of animals you you guys argue are the only poppular SA species, common in captivity species and 2 additional not supper common, but interesting animals. Ocelot would be popular with casuals, if you still worry about them. It is a cat, it does not matter if they cannot name it It is a cat, it is cute and casuals would love it.

How would that not work? Why it was ok for Oceania pack to have niche, not common in captivity worldwide animals but it is suddently a problem for South America?

Perfect pack. I want it. Lol

Also yes to everything you said. Thank you.