DLC18 discussion and predictions

[RightWhale]

But why? Why do you guys keep repeating this argument? Why would we exclude them from the pack? If your concern is that without them the pack would not sell well (lol), then obviously Frontier could add them. Roseate Spoonbill/Scarlet Ibis and couple of monkeys are possible to do with current mechanics, so I am not sure what this argument is supposed to prove.


yeah...no.
Patagonian Mara, South American Coati, Rhea...all of those have over 250 holdings and that is just for Europe.

So if we make a pack for example out of:
Monkey
Spoonbill/Ibis
Patagonian Mara
Coati
Rhea
Ocelot
Tamandua

We have a nice combination of animals you you guys argue are the only poppular SA species, common in captivity species and 2 additional not supper common, but interesting animals. Ocelot would be popular with casuals, if you still worry about them. It is a cat, it does not matter if they cannot name it It is a cat, it is cute and casuals would love it.

How would that not work? Why it was ok for Oceania pack to have niche, not common in captivity worldwide animals but it is suddently a problem for South America?

Honestly a really good pack line up, personally I’m greedy and would trade the tamandua for another bird. I’m evil like that though. I agree with what you said though “if you get rid of these highly requested animals then the pack looks weaker” is a silly thing to say, and admittedly is something I may have done.

I can at least speak from my perspective, when I said stuff like that is because Frontier usually doesn’t include birds or monkeys anyways. So of a pack of 8 animals, if only two of them are particularly interesting to me and the rest are Frontier’s usual choices then yeah it’s not as interesting. But honestly that is a silly thing to say now isn’t it? If you got rid of the best choices for a pack then the rest doesn’t look as good! Like yeah, duh, that’s how it works. I think that’s just from me being salty about Frontier mostly ignoring the stuff I like/ want. Like I don’t think it would have killed Frontier to throw us a bone every once in awhile and have more packs with extra monkeys and birds.

 

[DarthQuell]

south america wasnt as big of a priority to the community till this time last year so it could very well still be coming.

South America has been asked for since the South American pack has been released. That's why it's such a big deal, because for about 3 years it's been in high demand. Now it's like putting salt on the wound because every other continent has gotten huge boosts and filler species and South America is still stuck as it was since the Grasslands pack over a year ago

Now if a South America pack can get us 5 species of macaw, that would definitely convince people to buy it, but would frontier do that? Probably not.

I doubt that macaws alone would attract people. It'll help, but if that were the case then multiple packs shouldn't have sold as well as they did.

I mean, let's be real here: most of the packs lately have mostly catered to animal nerds. Do that many people know what a little blue penguin is? Or a wisent? What about a dama gazelle? Yet they're being sold. So why should it matter whether or not a hypothetical South America 2 has macaws?

There are a ton of animals to choose from. Coatis are more well known than some of y'all give credit for. So are ocelots, and who wouldn't want a housecat-sized jaguar? The spectacled bear would bring another relatable animal; they may not know the species but they'll recognize the cuddlyness of a bear. Bush dogs look cute, so that'd be a seller. and this is ignoring monkeys, which will be added regardless

 

[Marvinb]

. So are ocelots, and who wouldn't want a housecat-sized jaguar?

Housecat sized? Ocelot often comes up as a small cat, but i think alot of people dont realize how big ocelots actually are.
I mean they get like up to 15 kg, thats not far off from a clouded leopard and pretty much the same size as a caracal or bobcat.

If one is looking for a house cat sized jaguar the margay or geoffroys cats are the way more fitting candidates

 

[Stygi]

It largely is people taking something I said wildly out of context earlier I replied to a comment about potential reasons why south america hasnt had a second pack I said that it was because most of whats left for south america aside from monkeys and birds is filler less iconic animals. Keep in mind I never said south america souldnt get another pack or that any of the animals were bad just that on the priority list it ranks the same as oceania and eurasia so is likely soon to follow but wasnt likely to come much earlier. The people playing the game not interested in animals was brought up again because it supported said argument and yes they very much do exsist look at any of the planet coaster turn planet zoo youtubers and all the people who did the same which seemingly only ever gets mentioned when people talk about planet coaster 2 killing planet zoo . No one is slandering baboons as a concept just the hamadrayas because no matter how much people want it to be the most iconic baboon to the general public is likely the olive baboon or dare I say mandrill because thats what shows up in media even if the hamadrayas is much more common in captivity. Mara and coati slander is a by product of the argument which isnt even slandering south america just explaining why a pack hasnt happened yet.

Also keep in mind if you exclude monkeys and birds the country and likely entire continent I live in has less than an animal packs worth of south american habitat animals left so they are not as common as people insist they are and for sure if we get a south america pack it will likely have an agouti since they are super common in captivity yet people dont often acknowledge this in speculation.

I fully support a south / central america pack next and think south america is the worst represented region in the game but people forget the packs lag behind the community south america wasnt as big of a priority to the community till this time last year so it could very well still be coming.

I wouldn’t say the animals weren’t requested but that there was a lack of consensus, people were largely undecided on groups like monkeys and bears leading them to be less high on the meta wish list, furthermore the belief that frontier didn’t like birds stopped people requesting them as much and the recent increase in birds especially from different groups such as water fowl has led to them being requested more

 

[DarthQuell]

Housecat sized? Ocelot often comes up as a small cat, but i think alot of people dont realize how big ocelots actually are.
I mean they get like up to 15 kg, thats not far off from a clouded leopard and pretty much the same size than a caracal or bobcat.

If one is looking for a house cat sized jaguar the margay or geoffroys cats are the way more fitting candidates

I agree, I've seen them myself. But people sometimes act as if those are housecats (caracal and bobcat). There are a lot of families posting images and videos about pet caracals and bobcats, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just consider ocelots big housecats.

Plus, I'm also taking Minecraft into mind, as you used to be able to tame ocelots and they'd become cats (which also further points to how they're more well known than some people give credit for)

 

[Stygi]

But why? Why do you guys keep repeating this argument? Why would we exclude them from the pack? If your concern is that without them the pack would not sell well (lol), then obviously Frontier could add them. Roseate Spoonbill/Scarlet Ibis and couple of monkeys are possible to do with current mechanics, so I am not sure what this argument is supposed to prove.


yeah...no.
Patagonian Mara, South American Coati, Rhea...all of those have over 250 holdings and that is just for Europe.

So if we make a pack for example out of:
Monkey
Spoonbill/Ibis
Patagonian Mara
Coati
Rhea
Ocelot
Tamandua

We have a nice combination of animals you you guys argue are the only poppular SA species, common in captivity species and 2 additional not supper common, but interesting animals. Ocelot would be popular with casuals, if you still worry about them. It is a cat, it does not matter if they cannot name it It is a cat, it is cute and casuals would love it.

How would that not work? Why it was ok for Oceania pack to have niche, not common in captivity worldwide animals but it is suddently a problem for South America?

Also the Ocelot has been in Minecraft (the best selling game ever) for years so is actually probably more well known than people are giving it credit for

 

[Utahraptor Arcanus]

Also the Ocelot has been in Minecraft (the best selling game ever) for years so is actually probably more well known than people are giving it credit for

For real, minecraft has a influence so big on people, at the point some real life zoos got axolotls just because minecraft added they to the game.

 

[DarthQuell]

Also the Ocelot has been in Minecraft (the best selling game ever) for years so is actually probably more well known than people are giving it credit for

For real, minecraft has a influence so big on people, at the point some real life zoos got axolotls just because minecraft added they to the game.

I can see it now:

Hayo Zookeepers. It's time to bring the game to a new level. Planet Zoo has worked alongside Microsoft to bring you: the Minecraft Animal Pack. We have so many wonderful animals we ported over from Minecraft. Let's check them out.

The oceans will seem alive with the addition of the Squid. They'll shoot out ink of startled. Joining our them will be Bottlenose Dolphins, which will lead you to uncovered treasures, and Green Sea Turtles.
We also plan to have 3,072 different Tropical Fish.
But what's that on the horizon? Why, those are Mustangs. Welcome the beautiful horses into the game. Now, let's go up the mountains and give you the Mountain Goat. And if that's not enough, how about an Ocelot to come and visit? Oh but we're not done yet. What's that hopping in the bushes? Why, those are Rabbits, hopping their way into our hearts.
Alongside the pack will be a few new pieces, including shovels, hoes, pickaxes, regular axes, fishing rods, and saddles. We'll also be including various minerals such as: diamonds, rubies, emeralds, lapis lazuli, gold, iron, copper, and amethyst.

The pack will be sold for $9.99, plus a free 3 day trial for Minecraft Java edition...


Dang, I wasted my time thinking this up

 

[Marvinb]

I can see it now:

Hayo Zookeepers. It's time to bring the game to a new level. Planet Zoo has worked alongside Microsoft to bring you: the Minecraft Animal Pack. We have so many wonderful animals we ported over from Minecraft. Let's check them out.

The oceans will seem alive with the addition of the Squid. They'll shoot out ink of startled. Joining our them will be Bottlenose Dolphins, which will lead you to uncovered treasures, and Green Sea Turtles.
We also plan to have 3,072 different Tropical Fish.
But what's that on the horizon? Why, those are Mustangs. Welcome the beautiful horses into the game. Now, let's go up the mountains and give you the Mountain Goat. And if that's not enough, how about an Ocelot to come and visit? Oh but we're not done yet. What's that hopping in the bushes? Why, those are Rabbits, hopping their way into our hearts.
Alongside the pack will be a few new pieces, including shovels, hoes, pickaxes, regular axes, fishing rods, and saddles. We'll also be including various minerals such as: diamonds, rubies, emeralds, lapis lazuli, gold, iron, copper, and amethyst.

The pack will be sold for $9.99, plus a free 3 day trial for Minecraft Java edition...


Dang, I wasted my time thinking this up

How could you exlude the iron golem?

 

[DarthQuell]

How could you exlude the iron golem?

Oh man, I'm sorry. I've disappointed Jeb

What is it even considered? I always thought of it as some kinda robot because you have to build it with iron, but now I have no idea

 

[Marvinb]

Oh man, I'm sorry. I've disappointed Jeb

What is it even considered? I always thought of it as some kinda robot because you have to build it with iron, but now I have no idea

A magical construct i guess?
The usual definition of a golem (as far as a fictional being can have a definition) is a creature made from inanimate material like clay infused by some sort of magic, often by placing a magical item into the body of the golem and brought to "life" that way.
Thats what the original golem in jewish folklore was like and i think every spin on that idea ive seen in media was something similar

 

[AndyZoos]

Are there any packs that you all would have swapped out theme-wise for something Latin America-focused within the last year?

Arid or Eurasia have to be top of most lists in that regard, right? Do you think the community would be just as vocal about missing, say, the takin and wolverine? Or the porcupine and sand cat? Or having a zoo sim without a black rhino and key camel species?

It's kinda weird in any scenario for me, TBH. But I'd be much happier now if we had more LA representation I think.

I doubt that macaws alone would attract people. It'll help, but if that were the case then multiple packs shouldn't have sold as well as they did.

I think you're underestimating the power of an aviary bird, here. Haha. People would freak. Obviously, other picks in the roster would influence it some but... It's one of the last remaining instances where I think a single animal type/species could drive a pack.

They would have to really muck up the roster for a pack with any type of flighted parrot to sell poorly. Haha. To the point where I can't even fathom what a South American pack with a macaw would have to look like for people to be like, "Nah, I've wanted parrots. But I'm skipping this one."

I don't think a lack of macaws are going to drive sales down but there's no denying that adding a species like that to a pack would bring people back if it were done right.

 

[DarthQuell]

I think you're underestimating the power of an aviary bird, here. Haha. People would freak. Obviously, other picks in the roster would influence it some but... It's one of the last remaining instances where I think a single animal type/species could drive a pack.

They would have to really muck up the roster for a pack with any type of flighted parrot to sell poorly. Haha. To the point where I can't even fathom what a South American pack with a macaw would have to look like for people to be like, "Nah, I've wanted parrots. But I'm skipping this one."

I don't think a lack of macaws are going to drive sales down but there's no denying that adding a species like that to a pack would bring people back if it were done right.

I agree, I wasn't saying that people wouldn't buy it if it had macaws. What I meant was that the pack wouldn't need macaws to sell; I think it would sell regardless, and it having macaws would add to those numbers

 

[Marvinb]

Are there any packs that you all would have swapped out theme-wise for something Latin America-focused within the last year?

Arid or Eurasia have to be top of most lists in that regard, right? Do you think the community would be just as vocal about missing, say, the takin and wolverine? Or the porcupine and sand cat? Or having a zoo sim without a black rhino and key camel species?

It's kinda weird in any scenario for me, TBH. But I'd be much happier now if we had more LA representation I think.

Idk its really hard to say without knowing what said Latin america actually pack looks like. Because there certainly is a version of such a pack that i would trade for any of last years packs, and there is one that i wouldnt.

Also random note on the black rhino. For me its one of most redundant animals they ever added. Its a really cool animal irl, but for zoos and by extention Planet Zoo its just an inferior version of the white rhino, conservation efforts aside.

 

[AndyZoos]

I agree, I wasn't saying that people wouldn't buy it if it had macaws. What I meant was that the pack wouldn't need macaws to sell; I think it would sell regardless, and it having macaws would add to those numbers

AH! Sorry, I misunderstood. Hah! Yeah... A South America pack would do just fine without macaws. Heck, it would do fine without any birds. Would I want that? No. But it would still work fine.

It's honestly so interesting to me. Because I did truly mean what I said about most of the essential South American animals being in-game already. But anybody who thinks that seeing some of the animals in action wouldn't get people hyped...

A pair of coatis skittering down a tree together and nuzzling noses when they hit the ground with their tails partially curling together. A bush dog trotting through the grass. A group of howler monkeys chorusin' it up in the treetops. A group of spoonbills wading through the water and dipping their beaks in for food. An ocelot leaping up to a branch (and, keeping in mind that the ocelot is going to look so much better with current designs than the clouded leopard). A group of tamarins grooming and hanging out on the ground; a baby on a momma's back.

People would flip. And the species your average player may not be familiar with? I dunno, I think they could win them over when they saw them. Coatis and bush dogs are kinda the perfect example of that TBH.

 

[AndyZoos]

Idk its really hard to say without knowing what said Latin america actually pack looks like. Because there certainly is a version of such a pack that i would trade for any of last years packs, and there is one that i wouldnt.

I agree with that too. But I'm hard-pressed to come up with a realistic Latin American pack combo that I wouldn't. My worst-case scenario would be a scenery pack but even then... We'd be very likely to get the coati and a monkey so that'd be cool. But I can't think of a scenery pack I'd be willing to let go in exchange for it.

With animal packs it gets a little easier. I'd choose between Eurasia and Arid. But even in those cases there's some pretty key (for me) species I'd miss from the game. I weould still make the switch. But I'd be ranting about wanting a wolverine and/or the porcupine now.

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Genuine Question:
Who else here would also be extremly annoyed if we get flying birds lets say macaws but inside of the WE without any changes to it and instead just like the sloths a prebuild climbing frame as their seating area that they would flutter between?
Im not saying WE birds cant work and id even admit that for smaller more active birds like songbirds it might be the best option, but a macaw, owl, eagle, vulture, whatever wont be moving most of the time. In fact most of the time they would be sitting and just fly to get from one seat to the next. And if those seats and the size and the whole fact that its a forced walkthrough are still just as unflexible and forced upon us as they are rn that would be such a dissappointment.
Cause like hands up we genuinly likes using the sloth? To place down a 8 meter long straight path, no terrain variation cause path, forced walkthrough, no variable climbing frame (that doesnt even look decent, not even mentioning good) and all that for an animal that barely moves.
I certanly dont and i have build for sloths in my zoo, they are just asleep all the time because a faux sloth climbing frame and sleep box are infinititly more entertaining to build then to work around the very rigid and limiting WE. And even if we get the miracle 5 different macaws, if they are still in that horrible box i doubt id use them

 

[Captain Callum]

Who else here would also be extremly annoyed if we get flying birds lets say macaws but inside of the WE without any changes to it

There's a reason why I'm making bird props for the workshop, I don't expect frontier to actually give us proper aviaries in at least this version of planet zoo.

 

[Mr-Hyrax 2]

I can see it now:

Hayo Zookeepers. It's time to bring the game to a new level. Planet Zoo has worked alongside Microsoft to bring you: the Minecraft Animal Pack. We have so many wonderful animals we ported over from Minecraft. Let's check them out.

The oceans will seem alive with the addition of the Squid. They'll shoot out ink of startled. Joining our them will be Bottlenose Dolphins, which will lead you to uncovered treasures, and Green Sea Turtles.
We also plan to have 3,072 different Tropical Fish.
But what's that on the horizon? Why, those are Mustangs. Welcome the beautiful horses into the game. Now, let's go up the mountains and give you the Mountain Goat. And if that's not enough, how about an Ocelot to come and visit? Oh but we're not done yet. What's that hopping in the bushes? Why, those are Rabbits, hopping their way into our hearts.
Alongside the pack will be a few new pieces, including shovels, hoes, pickaxes, regular axes, fishing rods, and saddles. We'll also be including various minerals such as: diamonds, rubies, emeralds, lapis lazuli, gold, iron, copper, and amethyst.

The pack will be sold for $9.99, plus a free 3 day trial for Minecraft Java edition...


Dang, I wasted my time thinking this up

MINECRAFT!!!!! But for real that would be a really good dlc, I guess replace the squid and Dolphin with a species of Bat (I guess Seba Short-Tailed) and bees both for exhibit.

 

[Marvinb]

Genuine Question:
Who else here would also be extremly annoyed if we get flying birds lets say macaws but inside of the WE without any changes to it and instead just like the sloths a prebuild climbing frame as their seating area that they would flutter between?
Im not saying WE birds cant work and id even admit that for smaller more active birds like songbirds it might be the best option, but a macaw, owl, eagle, vulture, whatever wont be moving most of the time. In fact most of the time they would be sitting and just fly to get from one seat to the next. And if those seats and the size and the whole fact that its a forced walkthrough are still just as unflexible and forced upon us as they are rn that would be such a dissappointment.
Cause like hands up we genuinly likes using the sloth? To place down a 8 meter long straight path, no terrain variation cause path, forced walkthrough, no variable climbing frame (that doesnt even look decent, not even mentioning good) and all that for an animal that barely moves.
I certanly dont and i have build for sloths in my zoo, they are just asleep all the time because a faux sloth climbing frame and sleep box are infinititly more entertaining to build then to work around the very rigid and limiting WE. And even if we get the miracle 5 different macaws, if they are still in that horrible box i doubt id use them

Id be annoyed, as i was with the sloth.
But im in the camp of rather having the sloth this way instead than not at all. Because while yeah its extremlely restirctive, its still more options to build a sloth habitat (with an actual sloth in it) than having no sloth in game.
Which would be the same opinion on WE macaws, eagles etc