DLC18 discussion and predictions

KönigDerKaffeebohnen

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premierfong said:
Honestly I dont mind getting animals packs that are family themed. Like a pinniped pack.
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I very much do honestly.
If its not primate, reptiles or birds, no single group has enough interesting stuff left to warrant a pack on their own, especally not with the current pace of new packs and the fact that atleast half of the packs would cover "should have been a mod" territory.

I still would appreciate 1-3 members of allmost all animal familys, but non enough for an entire pack and outside of primates and the extremly open birds and reptiles no family has enough diversity left to not make the pack extremly monotenous.
Imagine every pack from now one would be as samey as arid of barnyard but with their 3 total non ungulates also replaced by some. And those are ungulate animal packs, which arguably are the most diverse grouping inside of mammalia possible and it still sucks
 

ElectricMonk

ElectricMonk
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
I very much do honestly.
If its not primate, reptiles or birds, no single group has enough interesting stuff left to warrant a pack on their own, especally not with the current pace of new packs and the fact that atleast half of the packs would cover "should have been a mod" territory.

I still would appreciate 1-3 members of allmost all animal familys, but non enough for an entire pack and outside of primates and the extremly open birds and reptiles no family has enough diversity left to not make the pack extremly monotenous.
Imagine every pack from now one would be as samey as arid of barnyard but with their 3 total non ungulates also replaced by some. And those are ungulate animal packs, which arguably are the most diverse grouping inside of mammalia possible and it still sucks
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Yellow footed rock wallaby
Tree kangaroo
Greater bilby
Spotted quoll
Cus cus
Opossum
Numbat
Marsupial frog (ex)
 

Milurian

Milurian
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
I very much do honestly.
If its not primate, reptiles or birds, no single group has enough interesting stuff left to warrant a pack on their own, especally not with the current pace of new packs and the fact that atleast half of the packs would cover "should have been a mod" territory.

I still would appreciate 1-3 members of allmost all animal familys, but non enough for an entire pack and outside of primates and the extremly open birds and reptiles no family has enough diversity left to not make the pack extremly monotenous.
Imagine every pack from now one would be as samey as arid of barnyard but with their 3 total non ungulates also replaced by some. And those are ungulate animal packs, which arguably are the most diverse grouping inside of mammalia possible and it still sucks
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Here is the thing I fully disagree that reptiles and primates are interesting enough to the average person to warrant a solo pack. A pack entirely of carnivorans would sell infinitely more because its all cute cats dogs and fluffy things. I personally think that there are only a handful of solo group packs that would not be a huge risk carnivorans, birds (ungulates since that one has already been proven), mammals and fish. primates and reptiles and plenty of other groups do have the diversity of it but takes on the huge risk of people not seeing that diversity.
 

NachoB

NachoB
KönigDerKaffeebohnen said:
I very much do honestly.
If its not primate, reptiles or birds, no single group has enough interesting stuff left to warrant a pack on their own, especally not with the current pace of new packs and the fact that atleast half of the packs would cover "should have been a mod" territory.

I still would appreciate 1-3 members of allmost all animal familys, but non enough for an entire pack and outside of primates and the extremly open bears and reptiles no family has enough diversity left to not make the pack extremly monotenous.
Imagine every pack from now one would be as samey as arid of barnyard but with their 3 total non ungulates also replaced by some. And those are ungulate animal packs, which arguably are the most diverse grouping inside of mammalia possible and it still sucks
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I can think of "family" packs. Some are maybe more suited to small packs, some to animal packs. People hate on Ungulates but i think there are enough cool ones left to fill in a whole animal pack. Primates and birds NEED an animal pack to come close to a satisfying state. There are at least three bears and three/four cats people still want. You could even fill a pack of 3-5 canids that would be well recieved.

BUT, i do think packs are better when they are varied and a mix of animal types. That's why ungulates heavy animal packs become so boring so fast. In the end the enclosures you build for them are essentially the same with some changes in biome/planta etc. The exception maybe being caprids that at least can climb.

But just as a thought excersice i can think of serveral animal group packs:

Habitat Birds Animal Pack

  • Greater rhea
  • Grey crowned crane
  • Secretary bird
  • Mandarín duck
  • Golden pheasant
  • Great white pelican
  • Scarlet ibis / roseatte spoonbill
  • WTE: Hummingbirds

Primate Animal Pack

  • Howler monkey
  • Spider monkey
  • Squirrel monkey (alt. Golden snub nosed monkey for a non tropical primate)
  • Lion tailed macaque
  • Coquerel's sifaka
  • Mantled guereza
  • Hamadryas baboon
  • WTE: Tamarins / Marmosets

Ungulates Animal Pack

  • Blackbuck
  • Musk ox
  • Markhor
  • Kirk's dik dik
  • Reeve's muntjac
  • Pere David deer
  • Gerenuk

No ex. And there are still ungulates being left out: kudu, eland, mountain goat, elk, champis, Impala, Brazilian tapir, pudu, etc. So there is enough of them for DLCs.

Reptiles Animal Pack (update with option of customizing exhibits)

  • Nile crocodile
  • African spurred or radiated tortoise
  • Arrau river turtle
  • Argentinian black and White tegu
  • Perentie
  • Ex: Alligator snapping turtle
  • Ex: Green anaconda
  • Ex: Panther chameleon

Bear Mini pack
  • Spectacled Bear
  • ABB
  • EBB

Canids mini pack
  • Grey Fox
  • Bat eared Fox
  • Bush dog

Cat Mini Pack
  • Serval (although my personal pick would be the fishing cat)
  • Palla's cat
  • Ocelot
 
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Marvinb

Marvinb
As much as i want a dedicated monkey or bird pack, because that the only way to get these groups up to date at this point, its just the wrong way to do it.
Regardless of what group you chose you will always leave the people who arent big into that group without any real reason to buy the pack. Its kinda like the barnyard pack, if youre not into domestics you dont buy the pack, whereas in something like Arid you atleast had the sand cat and porcupine to offer a reason for the people who arent into hoofstock to buy the pack.
Honestly the only group i can see somewhat working for this are carnivorans, between a marten, walrus, bear, coati you have enough variety in both animals and habitat styles to make the pack somewhat interesting.
Everything else like primates, ungulates and especially even more specific packs like cats would just stink
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
I can see an all one family group pack working. While I understand the barnyard pack wasn’t the most requested/ wanted on the forum I think it opened the floodgates for animals of similar kinds to work. Assuming the pack sold well, which we don’t know for now. I mean if we got either of these:

Monkey Pack
  1. Hamadryas baboon
  2. Lion tailed macaque
  3. Black and white colobus
  4. Black howler monkey
  5. Squirrel monkey
Wings of the World
  1. Secretary bird
  2. Mandarin duck
  3. Brown pelican
  4. Roseate spoonbill
  5. Golden pheasant
  6. Gentoo penguin
  7. Western capercaillie
  8. Grey crowned crane
I would be pretty ecstatic. I will say this though, I find that an all bird pack would work better than say an all monkey pack. I understand while that plays into my bias, it’s also because “birds” are a more broad group so you would have more building variety than say an all monkey pack.
 

AndyZoos

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Marvinb said:
As much as i want a dedicated monkey or bird pack, because that the only way to get these groups up to date at this point, its just the wrong way to do it.
Regardless of what group you chose you will always leave the people who arent big into that group without any real reason to buy the pack. Its kinda like the barnyard pack, if youre not into domestics you dont buy the pack, whereas in something like Arid you atleast had the sand cat and porcupine to offer a reason for the people who arent into hoofstock to buy the pack.
Honestly the only group i can see somewhat working for this are carnivorans, between a marten, walrus, bear, coati you have enough variety in both animals and habitat styles to make the pack somewhat interesting.
Everything else like primates, ungulates and especially even more specific packs like cats would just stink
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Yeah, I don't think "family" focused packs would work out as well as people are hoping, whether they were mini-packs or full sized DLC.

About two years ago? Maybe. Because you'd still have a few heavy-hitters. But it would still feel like a pretty hard sell. Birds are maybe the one example that could work and that would be contingent on aviaries being added. And a marsupial pack like, 1-2 years ago, would have worked well too I think (the devil, tree kangaroo, quokka, plus an oddball). The key is diversity, I think, and most animal groups don't have that in a way that represents different challenges or the need to build different style habitats for most players.

I would jump at the chance to buy a monkey pack. But... We live in a world where people call the caracal a "lynx clone." A monkey pack wouldn't get the clone argument (especially one that was structured like @RightWhale's which is about as diverse as you can make it at this point) but there's groups of people that just don't enjoy building for animals that climb, others that don't care for primates, others who feel we have enough primates, etc.

RightWhale said:
I mean that’s just speaking my language. I always thought mini DLCs were a great way to go for the future of planet zoo.
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FoxyDee said:
I would be even fine with diversity mini-DLCs, for example:

American Flamingo
Black Swan
Yellow-Footed Rock Wallaby
American Black Bear

I think many hardcore fans would still buy packs like these.
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I agree. Mini-DLCs focused on specific regions, biomes, themes or whatever would be a really nice way to fill-in some of the games gaps (and time between bigger releases). Certain things just don't need a dedicated pack, don't really fit into themes that do, and would still be nice to get in-game.

The species above are great examples of that.
 

CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
So people are basically suggesting we get JWE2 type packs with just 4 species and no scenery, I like it and I actually have something similar that I’ll post about later. We take our packs for granted, if we got packs like JWE2 there would be a lot more haters than the barnyard pack haters.
 

AndyZoos

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CharlieXGaming said:
So people are basically suggesting we get JWE2 type packs with just 4 species and no scenery, I like it and I actually have something similar that I’ll post about later. We take our packs for granted, if we got packs like JWE2 there would be a lot more haters than the barnyard pack haters.
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The key would be getting these in addition to the bigger packs. And having them be priced accordingly with a diverse enough roster to lure people in.

If it was only packs akin to what JWE2 did... You'd lose me real quick. LOL
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
CharlieXGaming said:
So people are basically suggesting we get JWE2 type packs with just 4 species and no scenery, I like it and I actually have something similar that I’ll post about later. We take our packs for granted, if we got packs like JWE2 there would be a lot more haters than the barnyard pack haters.
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That wouldn't work for me unless 1 of 2 things happens:
  1. Either we get them to sorta ease the time between larger DLCs
  2. The animal choices are linked to the accompanying update
If it's just a group of 4-5 animals, with nothing else to show, it'd be lame
Milurian said:
Here is the thing I fully disagree that reptiles and primates are interesting enough to the average person to warrant a solo pack. A pack entirely of carnivorans would sell infinitely more because its all cute cats dogs and fluffy things. I personally think that there are only a handful of solo group packs that would not be a huge risk carnivorans, birds (ungulates since that one has already been proven), mammals and fish. primates and reptiles and plenty of other groups do have the diversity of it but takes on the huge risk of people not seeing that diversity.
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I'd think that Frontier, for the most part, knows how to hype up a DLC. Even the most hated packs have fans. While a primate and reptile pack may not be the most popular, there'll be fans and I'm sure that Frontier could choose some species that will attract people.
Like, say a primate pack that features:
  • Hamadryas baboon
  • Black howler monkey
  • Snub-nosed monkey
  • Geoffrey's spider monkey
  • Grey langur
It has something for everyone. A pretty monkey (snub-nosed), an iconic monkey (baboon), an opera monkey (howler), a circus monkey (spider), and a common monkey (langur)
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
CharlieXGaming said:
So people are basically suggesting we get JWE2 type packs with just 4 species and no scenery, I like it and I actually have something similar that I’ll post about later. We take our packs for granted, if we got packs like JWE2 there would be a lot more haters than the barnyard pack haters.
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My idea would be mini packs are a slight money maker after main support ends for planet zoo. We no longer get full updates, and we won’t see anymore big name DLCs. It would be like the sims in that regard.

I’ll use this example again:
Duck Pack $2.99 - $3.99
  1. Mallard duck
  2. Mandarin duck
  3. Brazilian teal
It would be more cheap than any other pack, I was thinking around slightly around or over $1 per animal. This example I used includes all wading/ dabbling ducks, so they can all have one rig just with different noises and textures.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
To be honest I don’t know if we will ever get the diversity we need in this game as the current dlc system stands, on top of the fact DLCs may not last longer than this year. I really do think low effort DLCs dedicated around a small group of animals is the way too go. Frontier doesn’t have to financially gamble around a whole big dlc and update, they can make smaller DLCs focused on animal groups that appeal to those niche interests.
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
Personally, I'm still confident in a 5th year anniversary gift. I dunno why, but if you notice, all the biggest anniversary events revolve around a multiple of 5. I can explain it through meme:
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