DLC18 discussion and predictions

I'm not at all convinced that we'll be getting a DLC until the fall. They said "later this year" not "in the coming months" or "this summer." And there's no reason to keep it that vague unless it's very far out.

I've been thinking about this some, and I think the reason they gave us the info they did during that livestream is because they knew it was going to be a long while before the next DLC and they didn't want people assuming hte game was over when nothing comes for a "summer" DLC. It's a very logical reason why a notoriously tight-lipped company would say something that explicit. Something they haven't done in the last four years.

With all the info out there this is what makes the most sense to me but I'm very happy to be wrong and hopefully on Wednesday they'll let us have a bit more info that changes things. Even something non-specific like saying something is coming "this quarter" or if they again say "later this year" or something could narrow it down a bit (and if I were a stakeholder and there was no formal announcement of a new game yet, I'd want to know what else was coming that would drive profits in the short-term).


TBD. All we know is that it's supposed to be announced "in the coming months." As of May 9th.
Part of me thinks that if they are gonna make us wait awhile, it will be some bigger dlc as a send off. Especially if they are gonna want to get teams to work on the new game coming out.
 
I've always thought this was part of the plan with JWE2. Get the two remaining packs done and out of the way before soft-announcing the re-upped partnership with Universal and that they've got the next Jurassic Park CSM game in the pipeline. And how do you do that? Skimp on one pack and balance that out by making the other (mostly) loaded with fan favorites.

I think it's a different scenario for the Barnyard pack as far as timing goes. There's less pressure and they've got a (relatively loose) schedule for the console DLC that they're going to need to stick to. And, TBH, the Planet Zoo community has higher expectations for content in our packs in contrast to JWE so... No sense in rushing it. They've already told us it would be out in the "coming months."

I could be wrong here, but from what we know they can create animation sets pretty quickly. And at this stage in the game, they have some decent rigs to start with. I'd imagine most of the time is spent on texturing and coding/testing all of the different in-game interactions that have to take place.

There's also the aspect of research (which is done by an entirely different team). Getting the animal sounds, determining what plants should/shouldn't be in the habitat, what enrichment items make sense, and so on. I think that's always an understated part of the process that people often forget about! Not that I think this substantially adds to the time...

Definitely quiet. But I think that's probably more due to there just not being much to say and there being a lack of a dedicated person to that team than anything else. Which is kind of a bummer TBH... I'm a little surprised they aren't trying to showcase workshop creations, hype console more, etc.

This is very random but I always really thought it would be super fun if they did tours of zoos that people uploaded to the workshop. It always felt like a missed opportunity (and one that, to be frank, would have been a bit more entertaining than watching the streams where they just played the game IMHO).
I'm still thinking late August or September for an announcement, it's not a very British thing to say later this year when you mean a month or 2.
Thing im pretty sure they only said a team was working on another animal pack that will be released soon everyone keeps changing the words and therefore the context and connotations it definetley wasnt in the coming months and I dont think they specified later this year either just soon.
 
Im still thinking it will be packs as normal until fall and the 5th year anniversary since we havent even gotten a reveal yet we can safely assume the new game whatever it is will not be releasing until late this year. I think the summer pack will be a standard pack around july which yes is a bit late but so was barnyard then we will get either a big final pack in fall with one smaller update for the anniversary or we will we get a regular or smaller fall pack and a big final dlc for the anniversary.

looking at planet zoos release as a guide we got the reveal in late April and it didnt release till early November so if they stick to this timeframe I expect a reveal this month and a December release for the new game making it only in the was of the winter pack.
 
Part of me thinks that if they are gonna make us wait awhile, it will be some bigger dlc as a send off. Especially if they are gonna want to get teams to work on the new game coming out.
I'm torn here. A final DLC was always presumed to be a bit bigger than usual and I don't think that's necessarily off the table. But we also had to wait about an extra month or so for the Barnyard DLC and that was the same.

We really aren't waiting "longer" for the next DLC perse. I think we're just getting fewer DLCs this year.

I'm still thinking late August or September for an announcement, it's not a very British thing to say later this year when you mean a month or 2.
Same. "Later this year" implies at least three or more months. And a different season... This would also be about the same amount of time between Eurasia and Barnyard (~4 months).

Thing im pretty sure they only said a team was working on another animal pack that will be released soon everyone keeps changing the words and therefore the context and connotations it definetley wasnt in the coming months and I dont think they specified later this year either just soon.
Nah. What I said is 100% correct. Here's the exact quote: "As busy as the team are bringing all the content over from PC onto console they are working on another animal pack that will be released later on this year and we'll have more details for that when we have them nearer the time." Frontier Unlocked #4 at the 20:19 mark if you'd like to check for yourself.

They don't mention "months" or "soon." But they did say it would be coming later this year. Which, again, if it were coming this summer or whatever they probably would have specified months, "later this summer," or something like that.
 
I'm torn here. A final DLC was always presumed to be a bit bigger than usual and I don't think that's necessarily off the table. But we also had to wait about an extra month or so for the Barnyard DLC and that was the same.

We really aren't waiting "longer" for the next DLC perse. I think we're just getting fewer DLCs this year.


Same. "Later this year" implies at least three or more months. And a different season... This would also be about the same amount of time between Eurasia and Barnyard (~4 months).


Nah. What I said is 100% correct. Here's the exact quote: "As busy as the team are bringing all the content over from PC onto console they are working on another animal pack that will be released later on this year and we'll have more details for that when we have them nearer the time." Frontier Unlocked #4 at the 20:19 mark if you'd like to check for yourself.

They don't mention "months" or "soon." But they did say it would be coming later this year. Which, again, if it were coming this summer or whatever they probably would have specified months, "later this summer," or something like that.
Sorry my mistake I thought I remembered that they were less specific than later this year. Im still under the assumption it means nothing more than frontier not wanting to set a deadline greater than this year. I did try and check myself but the video was pulled from youtube or wouldnt work when I tried earlier.
 
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also for those of you who want to contribute im sure this will help speculation I have made a new meta wishlist for animals people have seen in captivity

Animals you have seen "Meta-wishlist"​

this is just basically going to be a summary of what people who play the game have seen and therefore what might be more important to players.
 
As busy as the team are bringing all the content over from PC onto console they are working on another animal pack that will be released later on this year and we'll have more details for that when we have them nearer the time."
That could literally be July, I think people are digging too far into this “later this year” thing. Sure they didn’t say in the summer or in the next coming months but did they have to? No, if it’s in July, saying later this year or in the next few months are literally saying the same thing so I really don’t think it matters what the guy would've said.
I've been thinking about this some, and I think the reason they gave us the info they did during that livestream is because they knew it was going to be a long while before the next DLC and they didn't want people assuming hte game was over when nothing comes for a "summer" DLC. It's a very logical reason why a notoriously tight-lipped company would say something that explicit. Something they haven't done in the last four years
Or they knew a lot of the community would be disappointed if they ended with petting zoo animals so they let us know that there would be 1 more with “exotic” animals to keep everyone calm.

Also just something to think about. Say you’re someone who doesn’t care about domestics and the next potential final pack comes out in fall, more specifically September. That’s 9 months without new content, and for someone that’s an average player looking for new stuff every now and again like most of us, are they really gonna stay on the game for that long with no new stuff? I would think they would get bored and move on.

If frontier waits that long they could lose a lot of players, especially with the recent pack being unappealing to a large portion of the community.
 
That could literally be July, I think people are digging too far into this “later this year” thing. Sure they didn’t say in the summer or in the next coming months but did they have to? No, if it’s in July, saying later this year or in the next few months are literally saying the same thing so I really don’t think it matters what the guy would've said.
I think it matters in the context of the resourcing situation, competing priorities, and general expectation setting. If they thought there was something coming sooner I really they would have said so. We saw them do it with the JWE2 DLC in that same stream. Like, if they were planning on July wouldn't it have been a good way to keep hype up to say "in the next few months" or "later this summer"?

So much of what is said on these new livestreams seems scripted. They think about the way these things are going to be messaged... It's one of the reasons why we so consistently saw the phrase: "We have no (news on/plans to do) (insert thing here) at this time." And why they use the phrase "coming months" in that financial report to articulate the timing of the new CSM game announcement. That'll be before the summer's end for sure.

Maybe it's because I make a living literally picking words apart and considering the way people use them but... It just seems too deliberate given the context.

Or they knew a lot of the community would be disappointed if they ended with petting zoo animals so they let us know that there would be 1 more with “exotic” animals to keep everyone calm.

Also just something to think about. Say you’re someone who doesn’t care about domestics and the next potential final pack comes out in fall, more specifically September. That’s 9 months without new content, and for someone that’s an average player looking for new stuff every now and again like most of us, are they really gonna stay on the game for that long with no new stuff? I would think they would get bored and move on.

If frontier waits that long they could lose a lot of players, especially with the recent pack being unappealing to a large portion of the community.
I just really don't think it's this at all. It feels more like a "it's going to be a long wait, let's set expectations and convince people they should stick around because it's going to be a long wait."

I do think your right in that it'll be a long wait for people who don't like domestics. But that's long regardless. Let's say the pack drops in July. If you don't like domestics then it will have been 7 months without new content. And another 1-2 months is honestly not much of a difference considering the normal pack-drop timeframe (~3 months between; August would 3 months and September would be 4).

...And, let's be real. We're already up on however many months without a decent building set. So they're already kinda alienating some folks in that regard. The Barnyard pack offered a few pieces but the response to those from builders was pretty lackluster given the lack of flexicolor on a lot of them.

I hear you, it's a long wait and they might lose some folks. But inevitably people come back when news pops up. I know a lot of people do that anyway, especially super casual builders and franchise players. They buy the new pack, mess around with a bit, then hang up the game until the new one drops. Similar thing happened with the Arid pack (if not worse, TBH; I think the saving grace of the Barnyard pack is the new feature that came alongside it that seems to be driving things and keeping people happy with it).
 
I think it matters in the context of the resourcing situation, competing priorities, and general expectation setting. If they thought there was something coming sooner I really they would have said so. We saw them do it with the JWE2 DLC in that same stream. Like, if they were planning on July wouldn't it have been a good way to keep hype up to say "in the next few months" or "later this summer"?

So much of what is said on these new livestreams seems scripted. They think about the way these things are going to be messaged... It's one of the reasons why we so consistently saw the phrase: "We have no (news on/plans to do) (insert thing here) at this time." And why they use the phrase "coming months" in that financial report to articulate the timing of the new CSM game announcement. That'll be before the summer's end for sure.

Maybe it's because I make a living literally picking words apart and considering the way people use them but... It just seems too deliberate given the context.
Frontier absolutely sucks at clarity saying later this year means just that later it could be in a months time or in December we dont know and reading into this is meaningless since frontier excels at giving just enough information to do nothing with.
Up until that announcement people thought barnyard was the final pack because of another detail that people thought was deliberate the lack of any dlc specified for FY25.
My opinion is that frontier does not want to lock themselves into a release date the fact we got a confirmation of a dlc this year is substantially more information then we have ever had unless. Unless it was going to release in june and everything was already done they were never going to specific in the coming months or this summer since that would mean committing to a date.
Just because it wasnt specified it doesnt mean it cant come in a couple of months they gave us a very broad statement on purpose so we could do nothing with it except know for certain that this year would have another dlc. The statement was deliberate in terms of a purposeful lack of information. If they wanted us to know the timing the either would of said in the coming months for a close pack or they would of been very explicit if the gap was going to be big such as coming in the second half of 2024

Also the in coming months sentence is deliberately split to exclude the new game
"We have two exciting console releases coming in the next few months, including Warhammer 40,000: Chaos GateDaemonhunters, and we are making great progress on our new own-IP CMS game for release in FY25."
The bolded part would not be included if it was going to be announced and released in a few months that line separates the sentence and only indicates progress updates not when it will be delivered the two console releases were warhammer and planet zoo.
 
Frontier absolutely sucks at clarity saying later this year means just that later it could be in a months time or in December we dont know and reading into this is meaningless since frontier excels at giving just enough information to do nothing with.
Up until that announcement people thought barnyard was the final pack because of another detail that people thought was deliberate the lack of any dlc specified for FY25.
My opinion is that frontier does not want to lock themselves into a release date the fact we got a confirmation of a dlc this year is substantially more information then we have ever had unless. Unless it was going to release in june and everything was already done they were never going to specific in the coming months or this summer since that would mean committing to a date.
Just because it wasnt specified it doesnt mean it cant come in a couple of months they gave us a very broad statement on purpose so we could do nothing with it except know for certain that this year would have another dlc. The statement was deliberate in terms of a purposeful lack of information. If they wanted us to know the timing the either would of said in the coming months for a close pack or they would of been very explicit if the gap was going to be big such as coming in the second half of 2024.
Frontier's been consistent in their communication strategy in that they pretty consistently don't communicate. Which is why I think that livestream was so important. It's the first time they've ever been that direct. I think it was to keep people from panicking about the game, to keep interest up, etc. Think about it. If something were coming in the fall and it was just silence? The doomspeak would be intense at this point.

I think it was, in part, because JWE2 got two DLC right in a row. I think they knew people would panic if the same didn't happen for Planet Zoo and they wanted to manage expectations. They plan these things out. Maybe not the specific date, or even the week, but certainly they have the month planned well in advance (give or take a week). So they would know if something was coming in the summer.

And, TBH, "months" would be vague enough to give them some wiggle-room if they wanted it... I think they were trying to avoid giving false-hope about something coming so soon. We usually get a DLC every 3 months. June 30th would only between DLCs. July 30th would be 3 months between DLCs. So why are we expecting anything anytime sooner than that? And, arguably, since it was 4 months between Eurasia and Barnyard... August or September would make a lot of sense.

I'm just really confused why people are thinking June or anytime earlier in July when all of the evidence and past patterns would dictate otherwise. I like the optimism, don't get me wrong, it just doesn't seem realistic or likely to me given the context of everything else (another CSM game already in development to the point where its nearing announcement, reduced staffing, Barnyard DLC being later than usual, the info they laid out in the livestream).

Also the in coming months sentence is deliberately split to exclude the new game
"We have two exciting console releases coming in the next few months, including Warhammer 40,000: Chaos GateDaemonhunters, and we are making great progress on our new own-IP CMS game for release in FY25."
The bolded part would not be included if it was going to be announced and released in a few months that line separates the sentence and only indicates progress updates not when it will be delivered the two console releases were warhammer and planet zoo.
I wasn't talking about that one! There's a line in the press release about the new Jurassic World game where they explicitly note an unannounced own-IP CMS game will be announced "in the coming months" and will be released in FY25.

"Over the next three consecutive financial years, Frontier plans to release one new CMS game per year; the development of the unannounced own-IP CMS game for FY25 is on track and Frontier expects to announce the title in the coming months; the third Jurassic World game confirmed today is scheduled for FY26; and a third unannounced CMS game is planned for FY27."
 
Thing im pretty sure they only said a team was working on another animal pack that will be released soon everyone keeps changing the words and therefore the context and connotations it definetley wasnt in the coming months and I dont think they specified later this year either just soon.
I watched the stream, they definitely said later this year. Anyway saying soon doesn't make it better, we know it's an animal pack and it's within the year so speculation stays the same.
 
Frontier's been consistent in their communication strategy in that they pretty consistently don't communicate. Which is why I think that livestream was so important. It's the first time they've ever been that direct. I think it was to keep people from panicking about the game, to keep interest up, etc. Think about it. If something were coming in the fall and it was just silence? The doomspeak would be intense at this point.

I think it was, in part, because JWE2 got two DLC right in a row. I think they knew people would panic if the same didn't happen for Planet Zoo and they wanted to manage expectations. They plan these things out. Maybe not the specific date, or even the week, but certainly they have the month planned well in advance (give or take a week). So they would know if something was coming in the summer.

And, TBH, "months" would be vague enough to give them some wiggle-room if they wanted it... I think they were trying to avoid giving false-hope about something coming so soon. We usually get a DLC every 3 months. June 30th would only between DLCs. July 30th would be 3 months between DLCs. So why are we expecting anything anytime sooner than that? And, arguably, since it was 4 months between Eurasia and Barnyard... August or September would make a lot of sense.

I'm just really confused why people are thinking June or anytime earlier in July when all of the evidence and past patterns would dictate otherwise. I like the optimism, don't get me wrong, it just doesn't seem realistic or likely to me given the context of everything else (another CSM game already in development to the point where its nearing announcement, reduced staffing, Barnyard DLC being later than usual, the info they laid out in the livestream).


I wasn't talking about that one! There's a line in the press release about the new Jurassic World game where they explicitly note an unannounced own-IP CMS game will be announced "in the coming months" and will be released in FY25.

"Over the next three consecutive financial years, Frontier plans to release one new CMS game per year; the development of the unannounced own-IP CMS game for FY25 is on track and Frontier expects to announce the title in the coming months; the third Jurassic World game confirmed today is scheduled for FY26; and a third unannounced CMS game is planned for FY27."
My bad didnt know you were talking about the press release but even so announcing and releasing are 2 sperate things planet zoo had 6 months between announcement and release so im still confident we wont see the game release till late November early December.

To be clear I think that at the earliest we will get the dlc late late july because you are right that if it were june or early july they would already be more or less confident in the timing to be more specific. The difference is I think it will come august or really late july still within the summer region so come late fall they can do the final pack at the anniversary.
 
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