DLC18 discussion and predictions

Being hopefull and saying we get 2 more packs, 1 SA animal pack and 1 Grabbag animal pack and both packs feature 2 birds, which ones would you guys choose to be the games last 4 birds?
Nothing really that special about my picks - the popular choices are popular for a reason, it seems.

South America Animal Pack:
1. Greater Rhea - Boring choice for some, but this is too important of an animal to leave out and I'd certainly prefer it to any ungulate or carnivoran they could possibly put in an SA pack (coati aside of course). Huge boost to Patagonia and completes the ratites.
2. Roseate Spoonbill - Whilst I'm tempted to include my beloved seriema, another long-legged grassland bird that inhabits basically the same distribution is hardly what should be prioritised if there's only four species remaining. The roseate spoonbill would be unique among the current bird roster and provide representation to a wider area of South America, whilst also having the added bonus of making sure North America at least gets one bird before support ends.

Grab-bag Animal Pack:
3. Mandarin Duck - A duck is a necessity, and this is my preferred species due to how iconic and widespread it is as a zoo animal, not to mention their spectacular appearance.
4. Australian Pelican - A pelican is also a necessity. While far outnumbered by other pelican species in captive holdings on a global scale, the Australian pelican is my pick because of local zoo bias and also because I just think they're the most attractive of the pelicans. They're very pretty!

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Nothing really that special about my picks - the popular choices are popular for a reason, it seems.

South America Animal Pack:
1. Greater Rhea - Boring choice for some, but this is too important of an animal to leave out and I'd certainly prefer it to any ungulate or carnivoran they could possibly put in an SA pack (coati aside of course). Huge boost to Patagonia and completes the ratites.
2. Roseate Spoonbill - Whilst I'm tempted to include my beloved seriema, another long-legged grassland bird that inhabits basically the same distribution is hardly what should be prioritised if there's only four species remaining. The roseate spoonbill would be unique among the current bird roster and provide representation to a wider area of South America, whilst also having the added bonus of making sure North America at least gets one bird before support ends.

Grab-bag Animal Pack:
3. Mandarin Duck - A duck is a necessity, and this is my preferred species due to how iconic and widespread it is as a zoo animal, not to mention their spectacular appearance.
4. Australian Pelican - A pelican is also a necessity. While far outnumbered by other pelican species in captive holdings on a global scale, the Australian pelican is my pick because of local zoo bias and also because I just think they're the most attractive of the pelicans. They're very pretty!

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Great picks!

Is so hard not to include the grey crowned crane, secretary and Golden pheasant for me. Is so sad to know we are not going to get all those basic common zoo birds by the end of support 😔
 
Like I said before, birds are fantastic filler animals. It’s a shame they haven’t gotten more development over the years, it took us 4 years to get more than 2 birds in a single year, and in that same year we broke the record for the highest amount of birds per pack: which was 2.

Even if Frontier is more aware of the issue now, I highly doubt they can do much to fix it. Best case scenario, we get a larger than normal animal pack and maybe 4/12 or even 5-6/12 are gonna be birds. That way we can at least finish the game off with a good amount of niches and slots filled. Most likely though, it’s gonna be 1-2/8 being birds. A massive amount of niches won’t be filled. Greatly limiting our building options.

It is what it is at this point, I’m gonna stay hopeful to the end, but I won’t be surprised if this is the face I make during the next dlc announcement:
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And what if ... what if ... they make different packs now, if they make the revolutionary system/decision for adding birds, it will be regional packs with mostly birds and one extra wishlisted mammal/lizard/insect of the region? Or a bunch of WTE small birds and 1-3 bigger birds for habitat/aviary? So they can do the packs all over again like "Asian bird pack" "Eurasian bird pack" "African bird pack" and such so they will have assurance people will keep supporting the game? It would be an effective strategy wouldn't it?
We don't know that. I would stop the "it's the last DLC" and "we will never get this and that" panic over here until it will be 100% sure with the announcment of the official devs.
 
And what if ... what if ... they make different packs now, if they make the revolutionary system/decision for adding birds, it will be regional packs with mostly birds and one extra wishlisted mammal/lizard/insect of the region? Or a bunch of WTE small birds and 1-3 bigger birds for habitat/aviary? So they can do the packs all over again like "Asian bird pack" "Eurasian bird pack" "African bird pack" and such so they will have assurance people will keep supporting the game? It would be an effective strategy wouldn't it?
We don't know that. I would stop the "it's the last DLC" and "we will never get this and that" panic over here until it will be 100% sure with the announcment of the official devs.
Why is it so bad to assume that this is the last DLC, though? Given all of the evidence it's a very fair thing to assume. And they probably won't ever formally announce that it's the end. They haven't done that for PlanCo or either of the two JWE games. No reason to think Planet Zoo will be any different.

Oh, and all-bird DLCs would be pretty fun but sadly I don't think that's in the cards. This would have been a really fun thing if they had introduced aviaries a while ago and they would do smaller aviary bird drop DLCs (~3 species) between the bigger releases.
 
Even though we were wrong about getting more DLC after barnyard, the reports wording still was changed for a reason. If we got packs for the next year it would’ve said what it always said “throughout FY2025” but it didnt. The chances of getting 3+ packs here out are incredibly low.

Also it’s perfectly reasonable for people to assume the next pack is the last. We have lots of evidence and hints towards it, similar patterns with JWE2, the report having a rewording, an extended amount of time for the next pack. Maybe it’s not the last one, but you can’t fault people for thinking it is.
 
Why is it so bad to assume that this is the last DLC, though? Given all of the evidence it's a very fair thing to assume. And they probably won't ever formally announce that it's the end. They haven't done that for PlanCo or either of the two JWE games. No reason to think Planet Zoo will be any different.
The though/idea is not bad to assume but it's just that it overwhelmed the forums lately and for no tangible evidence there is this depressive angsty vibe going on since before Barnyard pack. Statistically there is a CHANCE it is/was the last DLC but people on forum are taking it way too much as a fact rather than a possibility and it created this weird mood around 😅 I just find it uneccessary depressive, that's all. I am sorry if I ofended anyone.
 
And what if ... what if ... they make different packs now, if they make the revolutionary system/decision for adding birds, it will be regional packs with mostly birds and one extra wishlisted mammal/lizard/insect of the region? Or a bunch of WTE small birds and 1-3 bigger birds for habitat/aviary? So they can do the packs all over again like "Asian bird pack" "Eurasian bird pack" "African bird pack" and such so they will have assurance people will keep supporting the game? It would be an effective strategy wouldn't it?
We don't know that. I would stop the "it's the last DLC" and "we will never get this and that" panic over here until it will be 100% sure with the announcment of the official devs.
I wish. But this is unlikely and unrealistic.
 
Quick Question. How Many Times Have We Said "The Game Is Ending Soon" And It Hasn't?
It's happened a bunch. And I think every time that people have said that and supported it with evidence? It made sense given everything we knew at the time.

But it has to end. So at a certain point? The people saying that are going to be right. :ROFLMAO: I've been pretty neutral on this until recently because the evidence is so stacked up at this point.
The though/idea is not bad to assume but it's just that it overwhelmed the forums lately and for no tangible evidence there is this depressive angsty vibe going on since before Barnyard pack. Statistically there is a CHANCE it is/was the last DLC but people on forum are taking it way too much as a fact rather than a possibility and it created this weird mood around 😅 I just find it uneccessary depressive, that's all. I am sorry if I ofended anyone.
I don't think you offended anybody! Haha. But this is a speculation thread so people are going to speculate about things that may or may not happen... If people want to assume that the game will continue? By all means, have at it. And really, it's kinda fun to think about what Planet Zoo could look like if they kept up with updates and DLC into 2026. So I don't fault people for that!

But there's more evidence that development and DLCs are likely to end soon than there is that it will continue. So for me, personally, I'm on Team: Ending Soon.
 
Plenty, but I’ll be honest a lot of it was unfounded. There is much more actual evidence than a lot of the old times we did that.
Most of the other times it was based on how Frontier handled PlanCo, the way something was stated in the financial report, or something more abstract around DLC themes and viable animals. Most recently it was wondering if the console release meant DLC was going to outright stop for console, the layoffs, etc.

I understand the earlier stuff too, and do think it was relatively reasonable to assume at the time but you're right... At this point? It's all quite a bit more tangible and there's more of it.
 
I'm not really that devastated that the next pack is probably the last if I'm being honest. I would of course like more animals for several more packs and for us to get everything we want, but the harsh reality is that the game is probably ending soon, and thinking about how long support has lasted because of the community, you really can't get too upset at it. We've had 17 DLCs (technically 18), 3 animals for free, and a whole deck of new features. A lot more than some other games get.
 
I'm not really that devastated that the next pack is probably the last if I'm being honest. I would of course like more animals for several more packs and for us to get everything we want, but the harsh reality is that the game is probably ending soon, and thinking about how long support has lasted because of the community, you really can't get too upset at it. We've had 17 DLCs (technically 18), 3 animals for free, and a whole deck of new features. A lot more than some other games get.
Yeah! And not to mention I’m almost excited for support to end. I know that sounds weird, but once the roster is done I know what cards I have in my hand ya’know?

Like let’s say I jump the gun and get a black howler, white faced whistling duck, and slender snouted crocodile mod right now. Them two months from now they all come in the next dlc. Then I could have just waited, not to mention if I make a zoo now I can wait a bit to see what new animals I can add!

So I know I’ve been a bit doom and gloom about stuff, but when support ends I’ll have an official finished roster. Then I can debate what mods to get. Especially if support ends the odds of an update breaking my mods decreases by a lot.
 
Yeah! And not to mention I’m almost excited for support to end. I know that sounds weird, but once the roster is done I know what cards I have in my hand ya’know?

Like let’s say I jump the gun and get a black howler, white faced whistling duck, and slender snouted crocodile mod right now. Them two months from now they all come in the next dlc. Then I could have just waited, not to mention if I make a zoo now I can wait a bit to see what new animals I can add!

So I know I’ve been a bit doom and gloom about stuff, but when support ends I’ll have an official finished roster. Then I can debate what mods to get. Especially if support ends the odds of an update breaking my mods decreases by a lot.
I'm with you! I don't think support ending is inherently a "bad" thing. Obviously, it'll be a bit disappointing in some aspects but ultimately it will just promote further modding. Not just for species but for game developments on the whole (e.g., scaling). There's a few species I'm specifically waiting until support ends before commissioning and I'm sure there's others doing the same...

And FWIW, I don't think anybody in this thread has been "doom and gloom" to an irrational degree. If anything, I think people are lamenting the end of speculation or just being a bit bummed that Species X isn't going to make it in the game if its not in the next pack. But generally, I think people are pretty positive on the whole.
 
I'm with you! I don't think support ending is inherently a "bad" thing. Obviously, it'll be a bit disappointing in some aspects but ultimately it will just promote further modding. Not just for species but for game developments on the whole (e.g., scaling). There's a few species I'm specifically waiting until support ends before commissioning and I'm sure there's others doing the same...

And FWIW, I don't think anybody in this thread has been "doom and gloom" to an irrational degree. If anything, I think people are lamenting the end of speculation or just being a bit bummed that Species X isn't going to make it in the game if its not in the next pack. But generally, I think people are pretty positive on the whole.
I’m also ready for support to end. It’s likely that not all of the animals we want will make it in, but it is what it is. Also for me personally, I’ll be starting graduate school to get my masters degree soon so I won’t have much time to play the game anyway, so I hope we get the next DLC before then.
 
To answer my own question about the 4 birds i thought about it all day and came to a simple conclusion.
As the last 4 birds i want a duck, a pelican, a seabird and a wild card.
The first two were rather easy, we know the song and dance that the white faced whistling duck looks amazing and that a range across africa, madagascar and south america would fill one of africas last holes, throw madagascar a bone and give it finally a third animal type besides lemures and fossa and would give south america a bird and one that perfectly fits into tropical houses and wetland aviarys, fitting for the continent that features the worlds most iconic river system.
The Mallard duck might be the most wide spread and the mandarin duck the most visually striking but imo the white faced whistling duck strikes a great ballance between the two and while maybe not as usefull as a wild stand in as the mallard the fact that it fits perfectly into tropical displays makes me gladly take it over the mallard, atleast if we have to choose just one.
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For the Pelican i just stuck to the great white. Its the most common in zoos and has the largest range of any pelican and helps out africa, india and the south coast of the middle east, aswell as a more sporadic pattern of breeding ranges in south eastern europe and western asia, mostly located around the black and caspian sea. The reason for a pelican itself is simple. They are big and iconic birds, common in zoos, an abc animal most people know and one of the most unique looking things on the planet, being just a smidge away from passing as a pokemon. Its propaply the best generalist bird option left to add and feels allmost wrong as "a bird" slot as it really is among the most iconic animals left that deserves way more talk then just being a token "bird of the pack".
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Now for my most likly hottest take and the animal i havent heard mentioned in these forums even once, the Masked Lapwing.
If you dont know this one, i dont blame ya i also didnt do it conciously till i was looking at seabirds for this slot and damn this one rocks. With 121 holdings its the by far most common seabird i found today on zootierliste and with its striking yellow face mask it stands out well while the rest of its body looks like that of a typical wading bird, making it a perfect base for many mods. Its range is another + as its from not just australia but also new guinea, tasmania and new zealand, living in both salt and fresh water adjacent areas in temperate, tropical and subtropical biomes while also being a common find in grasslands and both rural and urban areas. As the largest member of the Charatiidae, the family of plovers, dotterels and lapwings, with a lenght of ~35 cm and a wingspan of ~80cm it would be a bit larger then the chicken and fit as a habitat animal just fine.
So we got a sea bird that would be a great mod base, is decicivly large enough to be a habitat animal, covers many different biomes and every major island of oceania while also being possible the most common seabird in captivity and looking pretty fire? I think we have been sleeping on this one and it would be the perfect fit for any coastal pack if support should continue, but id also gladly take it for a grabbag pack even if i dont expect it. Its the bird i didnt know i wanted but defenetly would love to have.
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For the last slot we gotta take a south american bird and while id love to take the roseate spoonbill 4 waterbirds would be quite much and theres one very important animal south america is still missing, the rhea, but what rhea?
If youd ask me and i hope you do id say the lesser, for multiple reasons.
First of, we want to max out our differences to this chick here, the female ostrich, measuring in average between 1,75 to 1,9 meters tall.
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And first i gotta say, both do rather good here. The greater rhea (left) measures in average around 1,4 to 1,7 meters tall and the darwins (right) around 0,9 to 1 meter, making it roughly half as tall as the ostrich. Plumage wise both species look actually quite different from each other, with the greater being far more commonly silverish gray with black accents and the lesser coppery brown with white accents, but it should be noted that both species can be found in gray and brown, its just that its vastly more pronounced in one of them each. The other strong suit of the lesser Rhea is its range especally in biomes. Both inhabit primarly grasslands but also shrublands, deserts and marshes, but the greater rhea prefers those tropical or suptropical and the lesser temperate, alpine and colder. Its also of note that while the lesser rhea lives on both low and high alltitudes with a large northern population in the andes, the greater prefers flatland. Regarding how common they are in zoos the lesser rhea has a respectable 66 holdings, allmost all of them in europe in a recent effort to create a stable backup population for them, but the greater rhea wins this category with a landslide win of 545 holdings and being kept on every continent besides oceania. If your not from europe and have seen a rhea in a zoo, chances are they were from the greater variety.
Personally the significantly smaller size and less represented range of the lesser rhea makes it my choosen candidate, but i totally understand swinging the other way around in this surprisingly ballanced and different duo. In another timeline id even be down to get both in the game for their significant differences in size, plumeage, coloration, biome and range but beggars cant be choosers so id rather have 10 more birds before one of them is a second rhea.
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Quick Question. How Many Times Have We Said "The Game Is Ending Soon" And It Hasn't?
This has happened every pack post conservation which is when I started following the forums and every single time people always claim that there are signs but they are always proven wrong. Before barnyard came out everyone was completely convinced it was the last because of the absence of information in the financial report. We have been doom posting almost as long as we have been speculating I for one will not say definitively when the last pack will be until there is more actual evidence such as a prolonged gap between updates, announcement of a sequel or financial failure of planet zoo.
 
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