New Super supercruise FSDs, Python 2s and so on

[galahad2069]

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

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How does buying a ship 3 months in advance give you any advantage? It's not like the P2 does anything particularly special that any of the other ships in its class can't do. Oh, it handles SCO better. Oh, yes, huge advantange.

In any case, it's pay to early access, not pay to win.

Better SCO handling, lower rebuy cost, 4 c3 hardpoints on a pretty fast medium ship are all advantages. A small advantage is still an advantage. Not even this version of the definition specifies that the advantage you pay for must be a decisive one.

Pay-to-early access, pay-to-skip etc. are all covered by the umbrella term of P2W, the difference is quantitative, not qualitative in nature.

 

[Darrack]

4 c3 hardpoints on a pretty fast medium ship are all advantages

Pay to win my backside, my FDL shreds Pmk2's, yes its a fantastic looking ship but no way overpowered.

O7

 

[AceMcKool]

Better SCO handling, lower rebuy cost, 4 c3 hardpoints on a pretty fast medium ship are all advantages. A small advantage is still an advantage. Not even this version of the definition specifies that the advantage you pay for must be a decisive one.

Again: you're paying for EARLY ACCESS to a set of marginally better features that will eventually and in a really short time, be available to EVERYONE in game. In any case it gives you a temporary advantage over other players who don't know what they're doing, I might add.

Pay-to-early access, pay-to-skip etc. are all covered by the umbrella term of P2W, the difference is quantitative, not qualitative in nature.

LMAO! Now you're just reaching. Find me a source.

 

[tolm]

Out of interest … how do the SCO drives (I guess the new A-grade ones …) perform in “normal” ships?

Would one be usable in my Mamba and Krait Phantom, for example, and how does jump range compare to the “double engineered” FSDs I’m using currently?

 

[galahad2069]

Pay to win my backside, my FDL shreds Pmk2's, yes its a fantastic looking ship but no way overpowered.

O7

I never said it was overpowered.
But being overpowered is not a requirement for something to be classified as P2W. It's the only medium ship that can carry 4 pacifiers - that's a benefit, the early access to which you could pay real currency for (until this month). The pre-built version has lower rebuy cost, that's also an advantage you can buy (a small advantage, but still something). That's perfectly enough to fit the definition of P2W.

 

[galahad2069]

LMAO! Now you're just reaching. Find me a source.

Already found and posted the definition, read up.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Out of interest … how do the SCO drives (I guess the new A-grade ones …) perform in “normal” ships?

Imagine being very drunk and flying your ship at speed...

Would one be usable in my Mamba and Krait Phantom, for example, and how does jump range compare to the “double engineered” FSDs I’m using currently?

Marginally greater range, by whole fractions of a LY when fully G5'ed

 

[aRJay]

Out of interest … how do the SCO drives (I guess the new A-grade ones …) perform in “normal” ships?

Would one be usable in my Mamba and Krait Phantom, for example, and how does jump range compare to the “double engineered” FSDs I’m using currently?

They perform well, but the ride can be anything from bumpy to really interesting depending on how agile the ship is in supercruise.

They are I believe mostly better or on par with the double engineered drives depending on which drives you are talking about.

The obvious issue with SCO drives and ships with small fuel tanks is that SCO drives drink fuel fast.

 

[Northpin]

I managed to skip P2W Python mk2. I may get one eventually now that's available for credits, but it's still no priority, not even for my Epic account which does not have the Corvette unlocked (but i replaced it with a Conda that does an excellent job overall for my PVE needs)

But this weekend I may succumb to T8

 

[tolm]

Imagine being very drunk and flying your ship at speed...

Marginally greater range, by whole fractions of a LY when fully G5'ed

Thanks!

Actually looks like both EDSY and Coriolis have the SCO drives now and, as you say, the gains vs the double-engineered A-grade FDSs are marginal on an engineed A-grade SCO and a B-grade SCO goes slightly less far ... which is a shame because the reduced SCO fuel consumption would be nice ...

 

[tolm]

They perform well, but the ride can be anything from bumpy to really interesting depending on how agile the ship is in supercruise.

They are I believe mostly better or on par with the double engineered drives depending on which drives you are talking about.

The obvious issue with SCO drives and ships with small fuel tanks is that SCO drives drink fuel fast.

Yeh I can't decide if the speed is worth the fuel consumption ...

 

[Mauxion]

You can always slap on additional fuel tank but short SCO burst have better fuel efficiency than continuous use.
Because fuel consumption increases linearly with time switching SCO off when you get heat warning you will reduce fuel consumption on long distance flights.

 

[the100thmonkey]

Pay to win my backside, my FDL shreds Pmk2's, yes its a fantastic looking ship but no way overpowered.

O7

The fact is that the Python Mk. II has significantly higher DPS in like-for-like weapons (inasmuch as that's possible with the C4 hardpoint on the FdL that isn't present on the Python Mk. II) and is more maneuverable than the FdL with comparable speed.

In strictly numerical terms, it's simply a better combat ship. With pilots of 'equal skill', one would expect the Python pilot to win.

Note that IDGAF about "pay to win" - it's 12 weeks, which in the context of a game nearing 10 years old, I consider effectively meaningless.

 

[the100thmonkey]

Yeh I can't decide if the speed is worth the fuel consumption ...

The fuel consumption is only an issue on longer trips - about 160kls is enough to make me save fuel in my Cobra. Those boring 10-100kls trips are a thing of the past, which, imo, makes the SCO drives more than worth it.

 

[photomankc]

In my first PvP encounter in my freshly engineered PMK2 I was rammed from above and killed in short order by a murderDL. I want my money back. I paid and did not win.

 

[tolm]

The fuel consumption is only an issue on longer trips - about 160kls is enough to make me save fuel in my Cobra. Those boring 10-100kls trips are a thing of the past, which, imo, makes the SCO drives more than worth it.

Makes sense … looks like next session I’ll be matErika gathering and SCO-buying for my mission-runner Phantom, then!

 

[Darrack]

In my first PvP encounter in my freshly engineered PMK2 I was rammed from above and killed in short order by a murderDL. I want my money back. I paid and did not win.

Its a travesty, any other ship should just automatically self destruct as soon as they encounter a PMK2 due to P2w overpoweredness

O7

 

[aRJay]

In my first PvP encounter in my freshly engineered PMK2 I was rammed from above and killed in short order by a murderDL. I want my money back. I paid and did not win.

Its a travesty, any other ship should just automatically self destruct as soon as they encounter a PMK2 due to P2w overpoweredness

O7

Now you can buy it from a shipyard without paying Arx for it the Pmk2 has been nerfed by having its P2W field shut down.

The P2WF is related to the AGF of the Thargoids but more subtle in its operatio…

 

[AceMcKool]

Already found and posted the definition, read up.

No, you didn't. You posted your own made-up definition to fit your narrative, without quoting a source.

Don't bother, though. I'm getting off here.

 

[TFB Daerist]

Thanks!

Actually looks like both EDSY and Coriolis have the SCO drives now and, as you say, the gains vs the double-engineered A-grade FDSs are marginal on an engineed A-grade SCO and a B-grade SCO goes slightly less far ... which is a shame because the reduced SCO fuel consumption would be nice ...

Get them!

I havent got a Python 2. I do have sco's in all my other ships across my Cmdrs. It. Is. Just. Fun. It made me smile the first time I hit boost. It still does.