No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

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quite agree - so are you going to give them some time to DO something, or are you going to continue to fan the flames ?

I really hope i could be as optimistic as you are - but as things are now, i'm not holding my breath. I'm sorry to hear you lost that much, and i hope it not will be in vain.
 
Having to have a 'live' account to access the game at all is the very definition of DRM.
Not true - Skype.

Seems to be a thing that laypeople have got caught up with the SimCity situation (all the game on the disc yet still required a connection for DRM) rather than considering that some online services just require a connection to a hivemind to actually function.
 
The same, actually a better result could have been reached by a calm and polite discussion, without the disinformation, accusations and angry stirring of trouble. The torrent of paranoia and bitterness has been a staggering sight.

Again I am very sad that FD chose to go down this route... now their stock has taken a hit as well. Hopefully they are going to learn something from this!

Your backers,supporters,players come first before profits.

Adept, i believe you are correct much better results could have been reached by a calm and polite discussions. If they stepped forward and made an announcement staying "X" and offered refunds I am not sure if I would have taken them on their offer. I for sure would have bought ED V, VI, etc down the road... now odds are small!
 
No, the number of people who claimed that it was an issue must be financially significant - which is not the same thing at all as people who are legitimately affected - and is in fact the reason that they didn't just shout loud and proud 'WE WILL REFUND ALL THE MONEHS' because alot of people in the world are... unscrupulous persons (pre-edited to save a mod's time) that would have taken advantage.

you have to explain that one.

You see, either people want their money or not. If they want their money back, then they don't want to support Brabens 'new' (as in how he NOW conveys it) vision of the game. If they don't, then they support his game.

It can't be clearer than that.

Of course, he stands with a moral dilemma (and maybe a business dilemma as well towards shareholders) if it turns out the money asked for in refunds would have put them BELOW the required kickstarter amount for the project to go off in the first place.
 
I have setup a petition to FD to re instate the offline mode or at least shortly after release, it IS possible to have the mode hence we have been using it in BETA, obviosly some features wont work such as comms BUT all previous Eltes were offline and great so why cant this version be. An offline version will be different but still great.

Please if you agree sign this petition

Additionally please feel free to pass the link around
 
Do you work for FD? (Yes or No?)

If "NO" why do you have the need to defend them and speak for them? Realistically the sooner they step forward and take fault for their actions, fix this issue, their credibility would go up. At no point of time have I seen any type of apology for attempting to screw people, being dishonest, etc, etc.

I will give them a second chance when I start seeing actions to fix the mess they made themselves. (i'm sorry to hear that you are in hole 5k...)

Cheers,

Answer to your Q: No

As to why: Same could be said for you ... Why do you feel the need to continue to bash them ?

The internet is hammering FD right now and perhaps deserved. They have said they are willing to open a dialogue which is the result people want - time now to give them a chance .. Part of my mistake when I exploded on the forums was listening to people constantly going on and on about the issue and it wound me up - rather than take action, I reacted to the situation.

Now I am a lot calmer and prefer to ACT than react.

Constantly bashing them (FD) right now serves no purpose other than to make yourself feel/look good.

Give them some time.

If it turns out to be empty words I will join you in the crusade ...
 
Sorry if this has already been asked. Come Nov 22 or when ever the next wipe is. What versions will there be? If I understand correctly the previous solo meant offline. Going forward in live release or whenever, we all will be online mode only with everyone together ?
 
Not true - Skype.

Seems to be a thing that laypeople have got caught up with the SimCity situation (all the game on the disc yet still required a connection for DRM) rather than considering that some online services just require a connection to a hivemind to actually function.

actually I need to connect to a server that will deny me access if I don't plug un the details for a correct skype account.

Skype uses DRM too. Just because it's free doesn't mean it doesn't use DRM.
 
Not true - Skype.

Seems to be a thing that laypeople have got caught up with the SimCity situation (all the game on the disc yet still required a connection for DRM) rather than considering that some online services just require a connection to a hivemind to actually function.

Bwah? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Can the company ban you from playing the game, at all via the server connection? IF yes - DRM

It doesn't matter if the account is free, if they are having you login so that they know who you are, that's a form of DRM. It's fairly benign but it's still drm.

Have any of the other testers been in solo mode and pulled the connection? Last reports were 5-10 seconds before disconnect. The exact same timeframe as Ubisoft's "it's a single player game that requires online connection" debacle from a few years ago - Predating Sim City by quite a bit.
 
Are you sure? Maybe he saw the question asked and answered on these same Frontier Forums?

I honestly do sympathise, but I followed the KS with a keen eye from the start, and all the development. It's clear Frontier thought they could provide an acceptable single player build, but the key is it was never in the KS rewards or goals. The "physical DRM free disc" seems to have been misunderstood by many, but it also didn't mean a "DRM-free version of the game"

It's very unfortunate, but it's not deliberate. I get that people got upset and disapointed, and that Frontier hadn't realised how strongly some people felt about the off-line version. The reason I kept reading and posting in these threads is that Frontier and David and Michael were attacked as liers, where the actual case was one of misunderstanding and a mis-estimate of the cost and scope of the bonus feature they attempted to squeeze in.

Peace,

-Adept the Finn
 
I have setup a petition to FD to re instate the offline mode or at least shortly after release, it IS possible to have the mode hence we have been using it in BETA, obviosly some features wont work such as comms BUT all previous Eltes were offline and great so why cant this version be. An offline version will be different but still great.

Please if you agree sign this petition

Additionally please feel free to pass the link around

Yet another person who can't grasp that SOLO MODE is still there - that hasn't changed from beta.

so many people who can't understand the difference and are contributing to this under the totally wrong impression and feeding the fuel for no legitimate reason.
 
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Do you work for FD? (Yes or No?)

If "NO" why do you have the need to defend them and speak for them? Realistically the sooner they step forward and take fault for their actions, fix this issue, their credibility would go up. At no point of time have I seen any type of apology for attempting to screw people, being dishonest, etc, etc.

I will give them a second chance when I start seeing actions to fix the mess they made themselves. (i'm sorry to hear that you are in hole 5k...)

Cheers,

You do know that Liqua put 5k on the line to defend you. Yes you. Papa Smurf. He backed your position to the hilt. You obviously have no idea who your friends are and are obviously just lashing out at everyone.

Chill.
 
Perhaps because they only wish to refund those with a definite reason for requesting them. It has only been a day, no time yet to re-examine those requests to sort out the genuine from those who are, shall we say, not genuine.

I am confused. How has it been only a day? I put in my request for refund 3 days ago.
 
Sorry if this has already been asked. Come Nov 22 or when ever the next wipe is. What versions will there be? If I understand correctly the previous solo meant offline. Going forward in live release or whenever, we all will be online mode only with everyone together ?

No. you can still play Solo Online, just like until now.
 
actually I need to connect to a server that will deny me access if I don't plug un the details for a correct skype account.

Skype uses DRM too. Just because it's free doesn't mean it doesn't use DRM.

A freely downloadable program where new and multiple accounts can be made with any freely available email address and you're trying to suggest it's DRM? Right.
 
Touchy.... Thanks for proving the point though. Feel free to neg rep me back 'sunshine' lol. I have as much right to be here as you :p
Not a problem sunshine, I was merely commenting on your reluctance to read a thread you found inappropriate and considerately warning you to watch the door lest it bark your heels. As for your neg rep, I have life and no interest in some totally irrelevant rep scoresheet. I'll leave that to pimply faced teenagers and wanna be's. Thanks for your contribution.
 
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Sorry if this has already been asked. Come Nov 22 or when ever the next wipe is. What versions will there be? If I understand correctly the previous solo meant offline. Going forward in live release or whenever, we all will be online mode only with everyone together ?

Next wipe is happening right now!

Solo is online but you won't be seeing any other players.
 
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