Ships Type 8 worse for mining than the Python?

[Martind Forlon]

EDSY

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192t
11 collectors
2 prospectors
PD weapons focused
PP armored/monstered … energy is enough both edsy and coriolis(beta) have some numbers off

Ship is faster and more maneuverable as python. Have also more collectors which imo significantly affect mining speed. PD is enough to extract 75-100% rock, but refill quickly and rock is depleted ways faster as collectors finish collecting. Rocks can be easily and quickly ‘shot pre-prospected’ at range 2.5 km which makes HUGE difference in selective mining overall speed (uncharted territory). SCO drive works ways better so need less fuel and allow faster travel to more distant mining locations. Ship is fast enough to outrun local NPCs and is also maneuverable enough to successfully ram even vipers (need more skill as I have if should be done regularly ). For me it’s perfect medium size laser miner which surpasses Python in efficiency.

 

[K Olley]

Ship is faster and more maneuverable as python. Have also more collectors which imo significantly affect mining speed. PD is enough to extract 75-100% rock, but refill quickly and rock is depleted ways faster as collectors finish collecting. Rocks can be easily and quickly ‘shot pre-prospected’ at range 2.5 km which makes HUGE difference in selective mining overall speed (uncharted territory). SCO drive works ways better so need less fuel and allow faster travel to more distant mining locations. Ship is fast enough to outrun local NPCs and is also maneuverable enough to successfully ram even vipers (need more skill as I have if should be done regularly ). For me it’s perfect medium size laser miner which surpasses Python in efficiency.

That looks and sounds very good.

I would be tempted to replace one of the lasers with an abrasion blaster, that would slightly reduce your power consumption although maybe allowing you to complete on every rock with a slight increase in firing time. I have also found that the abrasion blaster is my most used mining tool after the lasers

 

[SergMx]

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192t
11 collectors
2 prospectors
PD weapons focused
PP armored/monstered … energy is enough both edsy and coriolis(beta) have some numbers off

Speed, jump, payload are the same.
Except that there are 10 assemblers instead of 11

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[K Olley]

Speed, jump, payload are the same.
Except that there are 10 assemblers instead of 11

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On paper maybe.

A crippled PD (7E)
Too many lasers for either PD or Collectors

I wonder what it actually mines like?

A laser miner no matter what hull needs to be a balance between power, lasers and collectors, not enough power and you are waiting for lasers, too many lasers and you are waiting for collectors, not enough collectors well that obvious.

Don't get me wrong, the Python can be configured for a very good Core or SSD miner while still retaining the ability to be a respectable laser miner.

 

[SergMx]

On paper maybe.

A crippled PD (7E)
Too many lasers for either PD or Collectors

I wonder what it actually mines like?

A laser miner no matter what hull needs to be a balance between power, lasers and collectors, not enough power and you are waiting for lasers, too many lasers and you are waiting for collectors, not enough collectors well that obvious.

Don't get me wrong, the Python can be configured for a very good Core or SSD miner while still retaining the ability to be a respectable laser miner.

I just got the distributor wrong there.
The thing is that if you take away T8's main ability (carrying a size 7 compartment for a medium ship), it becomes almost a Python, even worse.

Losing one drone assembler doesn't count.

 

[DjVortex]

EDSY

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192t
11 collectors
2 prospectors
PD weapons focused
PP armored/monstered … energy is enough both edsy and coriolis(beta) have some numbers off

Maybe it's just me, but I could perhaps use an 1A prospector limpet controller and a 4A refinery (swapping their places, of course). That refinery gets pretty full pretty quick even with 10 bins.

Is there a need for more than one prospector limpet simultaneously? Although I suppose these ship builds are designed for quite a laser-mining speedrunning.

 

[SergMx]

Maybe it's just me, but I could perhaps use an 1A prospector limpet controller and a 4A refinery (swapping their places, of course). That refinery gets pretty full pretty quick even with 10 bins.

Is there a need for more than one prospector limpet simultaneously? Although I suppose these ship builds are designed for quite a laser-mining speedrunning.

I just add the other minerals to my blacklist, so I have enough.
I don't know about the others, but after discovering one asteroid you plan the next one, or during the development of the first one.

 

[K Olley]

Maybe it's just me, but I could perhaps use an 1A prospector limpet controller and a 4A refinery (swapping their places, of course). That refinery gets pretty full pretty quick even with 10 bins.

Is there a need for more than one prospector limpet simultaneously? Although I suppose these ship builds are designed for quite a laser-mining speedrunning.

Yes, no problem there, the only reasons for using a larger sized prospector is it helps you keep track of rocks when hunting for scarcer materials, I also target either a hotspot or the planet and always move towards that area this helps avoiding circling and re-targeting rocks that you have previously mined.

 

[K Olley]

Although I suppose these ship builds are designed for quite a laser-mining speedrunning.

That depends on the way you want to play

Actually, it's more for comfort and relaxing, you can take as much or as little time as you want, but if everything is fairly balanced you are not forced to take time outs while waiting for collectors to collect or lasers to cool down.

Speed is an option if you are refuelling a carrier way out in the black or on the very occasional mining GG

EDIT, A lot of my mining has been done in that wind down time between finishing work (heavy goods driver) and bed time.

 

[GroG79]

Python is better when considering mining. As in all forms of mining. This means taking all the needed equipment on board.

When further specializing:

Python wins with ease in the laser mining department.
SSD and abrasion mining would be very enjoyable in both the python and the T8. The T8 should win in carrying capacity.

 

[DjVortex]

I don't know about the others, but after discovering one asteroid you plan the next one, or during the development of the first one.

Isn't it enough for the prospecting limpet to have connected to the asteroid and you getting the "asteroid prospected" announcement (or whatever it was, can't remember by memory)? Does the prospector limpet need to be there for anything anymore after that?

Surely you don't need it after you have lasered the asteroid to depletion? So I'm thinking: Shoot prospector limpet, wait for the asteroid to have been scanned by it, laser it to depletion, move to next asteroid and rinse and repeat. I don't see a need for two simultaneous prospectors in this process.

 

[Martind Forlon]

Surely you don't need it after you have lasered the asteroid to depletion? So I'm thinking: Shoot prospector limpet, wait for the asteroid to have been scanned by it, laser it to depletion, move to next asteroid and rinse and repeat. I don't see a need for two simultaneous prospectors in this process.

Very slow process (overall time for mining) due time needed for prospector reach the rock. In addition there is a problem with ship speed at time when is prospector released, in most cases results ship speed above 100 m/s in prospector destruction immediatelly after release. Bigger prospector (lvl3) is usefull in time when you have depleted rock and are waiting for collector to collect all fragments. Then You can twice as fast prospect surronding rocks for "next" target.

However, my personal approach is use long range mining lasers (in the past I used 2 lances for this) for quick extraction of one fragment from rock at long distance which reduces overall yield by cca 10%. This way I however need only 1/10 of time (proably even less due long distances) for finding decent candidates (rocks), and only on them I use prospectors. In case of rarer occurence (like osmium) is this method much faster, and is needed also much less limpets.

 

[K Olley]

Isn't it enough for the prospecting limpet to have connected to the asteroid and you getting the "asteroid prospected" announcement (or whatever it was, can't remember by memory)?

That is all you need, the limpet can then be destroyed and the asteroid will give off the same amount as long as you stay within I think it is 5 km of the asteroid.

Surely you don't need it after you have lasered the asteroid to depletion? So I'm thinking: Shoot prospector limpet, wait for the asteroid to have been scanned by it, laser it to depletion, move to next asteroid and rinse and repeat. I don't see a need for two simultaneous prospectors in this process.

There are times when multiple prospectors are useful, it allows you to prospect asteroids faster, this is handy when looking for a single specific metal or mineral when it may only be present in 1 in 4 or 5 asteroids.

there is a problem with ship speed at time when is prospector released

This is a problem that several types of ships have, it started this time with an update a year or two ago.

 

[Northpin]

Isn't it enough for the prospecting limpet to have connected to the asteroid and you getting the "asteroid prospected" announcement (or whatever it was, can't remember by memory)? Does the prospector limpet need to be there for anything anymore after that?

Surely you don't need it after you have lasered the asteroid to depletion? So I'm thinking: Shoot prospector limpet, wait for the asteroid to have been scanned by it, laser it to depletion, move to next asteroid and rinse and repeat. I don't see a need for two simultaneous prospectors in this process.

2+ prospectors are useful to "pre-scan" asteroids, so when you finish with one asteroid, you move directly to the next target, minimizing the time between targets
So, while moving to an asteroid, you can fire several prospectors to several asteroids that are clumped relatively close to each other.
Or, if your colleting speed falls too much behind the mining speed, you can use the time to prospect several asteroids.

In this regard, mining speed, the Python is way better than T-8 since it can power 4 medium mining lasers, greatly speeding up the mining part.
Then it can position itself closer to the asteroid thus greatly speeding up the collection rate (it's cargo hatch is closer to asteroid than in the case of T-8) and can use 10 collectors while still getting 192t of cargo.

But, again - this doesnt mean that, if you really love the T8, you cannot mine with it.
Just that it's a less apt miner than the Python.

I mean, what the heck! People are exploring with T-10 and they're happy with it (even tho i regard T-10 as good only for module storage )
Why wouldn't a T-8 lover be happy mining with it?

 

[SergMx]

I mean, what the heck! People are exploring with T-10 and they're happy with it (even tho i regard T-10 as good only for module storage )
Why wouldn't a T-8 lover be happy mining with it?

I thought there were arguments that the T8 was even better than the Python for mining, so I made the argument that it wasn't.

 

[Darrack]

(even tho i regard T-10 as good only for module storage )

Its THE best laser mining ship in the game

O7

 

[foxwalker]

Interesting on mining in this thing. It seems better used for something else. I have been doing all my mining with a Cutter. I don't want to have to run away while mining. I am struggling with how to use it effectively. But it is a really cool looking ship.

 

[SergMx]

Interesting on mining in this thing. It seems better used for something else. I have been doing all my mining with a Cutter. I don't want to have to run away while mining. I am struggling with how to use it effectively. But it is a really cool looking ship.

I don't know how it is now, pirates used to only show up at the extraction point.
In a random spot or light spot, pirates were only at the entrance.
They would scan you, you were still empty, and fly away.
There were no more.

 

[foxwalker]

I don't know how it is now, pirates used to only show up at the extraction point.
In a random spot or light spot, pirates were only at the entrance.
They would scan you, you were still empty, and fly away.
There were no more.

That is true still, but if I am mining, I will often mine some, log out and then come back. At that point there will be Platinum or Painite in my hold and I will get attracted. I am guessing The T8 may be really good for doing some piracy, which I have not done a lot of. Escaping from Stations without getting scanned and so forth.

I can also see if you are doing hauling to and from medium sized ports being useful, but it is interesting how seldom to me that seems to be an issue.

 

[Nowski]

Be ready for the need to get LTT 198 permit first. Only there can be purchased upgraded small mining lasers (You can have one if participated in mining CG long time ago). For permit You need to be allied with the Torval Mining Ltd minor faction. Im slowly getting it myself now

A bit late to mention this perhaps, but the modified Torval mining lasers can be got from the other Torval Mining megaships, House Ascendant in 21 Eridani and .. whatever it's called .. in Laguz, at least last time I checked, so the permit isn't required.

Incidentally, FDEV's description of the T-6 prebuild is misleading in this respect, implying you need the permit to get these modules ("bypasses the need to unlock the LTT 198 permit and subsequent Technology Broker recipe for this module") though of course the broker recipe is still required.