DLC18 discussion and predictions

Thylaco

Thylaco
The fact we've got more than 7 habitat candidates, with no obvious Americans is a bit of a red flag.

There's quite a few highly requested ones that are constructible

Here's the list of constructible species using the dictionary, in order from the 2024 meta-wishlist (2 supporters or above, even mildly suspicious terms are highlighted):
  • Secretary bird
  • Ornate/Mexican Spider Monkey
  • Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
  • Spectacled Bear
  • Markhor
  • African/Grey Crowned Crane
  • Hamadryas Baboon
  • American Black Bear
  • Bush Dog
  • Honey Badger
  • Sea Otter
  • African Spurred Tortoise
  • American Flamingo
  • Giraffe Gazelle (primarily known as Gerenuk)
  • Southern Elephant Seal
  • Black Swan
  • Japanese/Chinese Raccoon Dog
  • Nile Crocodile
  • North American Porcupine
  • Mountain Goat
  • Olive Baboon
  • Chinese/Japanese Giant Salamander
  • Leopard Seal
  • Brazilian Porcupine
  • Brazilian Tapir
  • North American River Otter
  • North American Wood Duck
  • African Civet
  • African Dwarf Goat
  • Axis Deer
  • Black/Sulawesi Crested Macaque
  • Prairie Dog Hunter (for American Polecat, Pole & Cat would be expected to be one word)
  • Chinese Alligator
  • Crocodile Monitor
  • Sumatran Rhinoceros
  • Sumatran Tiger
  • African Leopard
  • South American River Turtle
  • Asian Golden Cat
  • Grey Fox
  • Green Sea Turtle
  • Rhinoceros Iguana
  • Southern Screamer
  • Javan Rhinoceros
  • Marine Iguana
  • Red Wolf
  • African Dwarf Crocodile
  • African Forest Elephant
  • Black Caiman
  • Black-necked Swan
  • Brown Fur Seal
  • Eastern Grey Kangaroo
  • Eurasian Brown Bear
  • Eurasian Otter
  • European Hedgehog
  • Giant Armadillo
  • Impala

Species that are close to constructible (a few older in-game species are similarly close to constructible, being the Burrowing Cockroach, Red-Ruffed Lemur, Clouded Leopard and Goliath Birdeater, but generally unique terms are given):
  • Black Howler Monkey (Howler is not a term, but Howl is)
  • Short-Beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)
  • Shoebill (Shoe & Bill would be expected as one word)
  • Southern Ground Hornbill (Horn & Bill would be expected as one word)
  • Greater Roadrunner (Road & Runner would be expected to be a single word, and only Great exists, not Greater)
  • Victoria Crowned Pigeon (Victoria is not a term, but Victorian is)
  • Bighorn sheep (Big & Horn would be expected to be a single word)
  • Burrowing Owl (Burrowing is not a term, but Burrow is)
  • Bat-eared Fox (Eared is not a term, but Ear is)
  • Fishing Cat (Fishing is not a term, but Fish is)
  • Lion-tailed Macaque (Tailed is not a term, but Tail is)
  • Ringtail (Ring & Tail would be expected as one word)
  • White-faced Whistling Duck (Faced & Whistling aren't terms, but Face and Whistle are)
  • Ethiopian wolf (Ethiopian is not a term, but Ethiopia is)
  • White-tailed Deer (Tailed is not a term, but Tail is)
  • Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby (Footed is not a term, but Foot is)
  • Arabian Oryx (Arabian is not a term, Arabia is)
  • Bobcat (Bob & Cat would be expected to be a single word)
  • Red Howler Monkey (Howler is not a term, but Howl is)
  • Tufted Deer (Tufted is not a term, but Tuft is)
  • Asiatic Lion (Asiatic is not a term, but Asian is)
  • Eastern Long-beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)
  • Red-footed Tortoise (Footed is not a term, but Foot is)
  • Sandhill Crane (Sand & Hill would be expected to be one word)
  • Vulturine Guineafowl (Guinea & fowl would be expected to be one word, Vulturine is not a term, but Vulture is)
  • West African Slender-snouted Crocodile (Snouted is not a term, but Snout is)
  • Western Long-beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)

Species with just a person's name missing (Cuvier and Dall are the only DLC examples of not being there, and are pretty old):
  • Pallas's Cat
  • Kirk's Dik-dik
  • Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
  • Coquerel's Sifaka
  • Pere David's Deer
  • Grevy's Zebra
  • De Brazza's Monkey
  • Francois' Leaf Monkey
 
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The Aardvark

The Aardvark
synthetase said:
It really does, now that I have slept on it a bit. I just hope, if its at all possible, for more SA representation.
IF this is the next pack which animal would be your favorite? Mine would probably be dik-dik.
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Probably the sifaka! I'd never use it, but if executed correctly it would be such an amazing animal!
Although my most used animal from this hypothetical pack would be the tortoise for sure, Sulcata is pretty much the go-to tortoise for zoos here - plus it can be mixed with meerkats and ungulates and porcupines and a whole variety of species IRL, which is always a plus
 

Iben

Iben
The Aardvark said:
Sorry, my knowledge of video game development is pretty much nonexistent... What I meant is: this pack doesn't contain nearly as many "clones" (for lack of a better word) compared to other packs we've seen.
Sure we have two ungulates and a tortoise, but everything else is pretty much unique.
This is what I meant, sorry for the confusion
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Oh no I get that, and I get wanting to be sceptical for sure. Though at this point in time, there's very little animals they would do a lot of custom work for; unless it's flying birds or fish. And the latter seem unlikely anyway, so we're good for the most part. 😅
 

Aramar

Aramar
The thing that makes me suspicious is that Frontier knew we were suspecting they had leaked some animals with the dictionary. Therefore, repeating the same mistake and leaking the rest of the animals the same way just a few days before the announcement seems to be a strange thing to do. So, maybe, Frontier is doing that on purpose to mislead us and maybe the DLC will be something completely different to what we are expecting now.
 

Milurian

Milurian
Aramar said:
The thing that makes me suspicious is that Frontier knew we were suspecting they had leaked some animals with the dictionary. Therefore, repeating the same mistake and leaking the rest of the animals the same way just a few days before the announcement seems to be a strange thing to do. So, maybe, Frontier is doing that on purpose to mislead us and maybe the DLC will be something completely different to what we are expecting now.
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yeah things rings a whole lot of alarm bells to me doing it once fine a mistake the dictionary is huge but doing it again basically right after the dictionary idea took off with the whole community is insanely suspicious.
The way I see it is there are only a handful of options here either
a) somehow frontier is blissfully unaware that the dictionary has leaks
b) the animal leaks arent true so therefore they dont care
c) its at least partially done on purpose as a stunt to acclimatise the players and foster discussion
d) someones leaking them on purpose

There is no way they accidently leaked the other half of the next packs roster right after leaf made a video highlighting the dictionary. especially not when speculation was at its lowest, the steamdb updated in a really suspicious way, livestream announced the day before with a clear indication that the pack will be mentioned. So either it is the roster and this is just frontiers way of unofficially circulating the animals into the discussion or its irrelevant.
 

Iben

Iben
Milurian said:
yeah things rings a whole lot of alarm bells to me doing it once fine a mistake the dictionary is huge but doing it again basically right after the dictionary idea took off with the whole community is insanely suspicious.
The way I see it is there are only a handful of options here either
a) somehow frontier is blissfully unaware that the dictionary has leaks
b) the animal leaks arent true so therefore they dont care
c) its at least partially done on purpose as a stunt to acclimatise the players and foster discussion
d) someones leaking them on purpose

There is no way they accidently leaked the other half of the next packs roster right after leaf made a video highlighting the dictionary. especially not when speculation was at its lowest, the steamdb updated in a really suspicious way, livestream announced the day before with a clear indication that the pack will be mentioned. So either it is the roster and this is just frontiers way of unofficially circulating the animals into the discussion or its irrelevant.
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I think it's best not to read too much into it. Mistakes are easy to make and happen all the time, and Frontier has a very busy time ahead of them with the release of Planet Coaster 2. It's logical that in times like these mistakes are prone to happen, so they most likely accidentally missed that there were other names left in. It wouldn't be the first time that stuff accidentally leaks, and it would be the first time that Frontier did it so on purpose as we have no real evidence of them ever doing something on purpose in terms of leaks.

The SteamDB is a technical repository, nothing about the way it was updated is suspicious, we just don't know the inner workings of the system. There's a whole lot of reasons why it was different than usual, but nothing to think that it's suspicious.
 

FoxyDee

FoxyDee
Anyways, the _lqa on the steam db was now updated the usual way
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HunterIsCookie

HunterIsCookie
Cooper_yang said:
Sifaka is good, but that doesn't mean GSNM is bad. We already have three lemurs, and if we give us another one... lemurs are kind of like crocodiles in the game.
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To be fair, lemurs are an incredibly common group in captivity. Some may be rare, but so many species have captive presence that it kinda makes sense to be this represented.

Biggest issue is South America primates should have the same amount if not more reps for the same reasons.
 

NachoB

NachoB
Thylaco said:
The fact we've got more than 7 habitat candidates, with no obvious Americans is a bit of a red flag.

There's quite a few highly requested ones that are constructible

Here's the list of constructible species using the dictionary, in order from the 2024 meta-wishlist (2 supporters or above, even mildly suspicious terms are highlighted):
  • Secretary bird
  • Ornate/Mexican Spider Monkey
  • Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo
  • Spectacled Bear
  • Markhor
  • African/Grey Crowned Crane
  • Hamadryas Baboon
  • American Black Bear
  • Bush Dog
  • Honey Badger
  • Sea Otter
  • African Spurred Tortoise
  • American Flamingo
  • Giraffe Gazelle (primarily known as Gerenuk)
  • Southern Elephant Seal
  • Black Swan
  • Japanese/Chinese Raccoon Dog
  • Nile Crocodile
  • North American Porcupine
  • Mountain Goat
  • Olive Baboon
  • Chinese/Japanese Giant Salamander
  • Leopard Seal
  • Brazilian Porcupine
  • Brazilian Tapir
  • North American River Otter
  • North American Wood Duck
  • African Civet
  • African Dwarf Goat
  • Axis Deer
  • Black/Sulawesi Crested Macaque
  • Prairie Dog Hunter (for American Polecat, Pole & Cat would be expected to be one word)
  • Chinese Alligator
  • Crocodile Monitor
  • Sumatran Rhinoceros
  • Sumatran Tiger
  • African Leopard
  • South American River Turtle
  • Asian Golden Cat
  • Grey Fox
  • Green Sea Turtle
  • Rhinoceros Iguana
  • Southern Screamer
  • Javan Rhinoceros
  • Marine Iguana
  • Red Wolf
  • African Dwarf Crocodile
  • African Forest Elephant
  • Black Caiman
  • Black-necked Swan
  • Brown Fur Seal
  • Eastern Grey Kangaroo
  • Eurasian Brown Bear
  • Eurasian Otter
  • European Hedgehog
  • Giant Armadillo
  • Impala

Species that are close to constructible (a few older in-game species are similarly close to constructible, being the Burrowing Cockroach, Red-Ruffed Lemur, Clouded Leopard and Goliath Birdeater, but generally unique terms are given):
  • Black Howler Monkey (Howler is not a term, but Howl is)
  • Short-Beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)
  • Shoebill (Shoe & Bill would be expected as one word)
  • Southern Ground Hornbill (Horn & Bill would be expected as one word)
  • Greater Roadrunner (Road & Runner would be expected to be a single word, and only Great exists, not Greater)
  • Victoria Crowned Pigeon (Victoria is not a term, but Victorian is)
  • Bighorn sheep (Big & Horn would be expected to be a single word)
  • Burrowing Owl (Burrowing is not a term, but Burrow is)
  • Bat-eared Fox (Eared is not a term, but Ear is)
  • Fishing Cat (Fishing is not a term, but Fish is)
  • Lion-tailed Macaque (Tailed is not a term, but Tail is)
  • Ringtail (Ring & Tail would be expected as one word)
  • White-faced Whistling Duck (Faced & Whistling aren't terms, but Face and Whistle are)
  • Ethiopian wolf (Ethiopian is not a term, but Ethiopia is)
  • White-tailed Deer (Tailed is not a term, but Tail is)
  • Yellow-footed Rock Wallaby (Footed is not a term, but Foot is)
  • Arabian Oryx (Arabian is not a term, Arabia is)
  • Bobcat (Bob & Cat would be expected to be a single word)
  • Red Howler Monkey (Howler is not a term, but Howl is)
  • Tufted Deer (Tufted is not a term, but Tuft is)
  • Asiatic Lion (Asiatic is not a term, but Asian is)
  • Eastern Long-beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)
  • Red-footed Tortoise (Footed is not a term, but Foot is)
  • Sandhill Crane (Sand & Hill would be expected to be one word)
  • Vulturine Guineafowl (Guinea & fowl would be expected to be one word, Vulturine is not a term, but Vulture is)
  • West African Slender-snouted Crocodile (Snouted is not a term, but Snout is)
  • Western Long-beaked Echidna (Beaked is not a term, but Beak is)

Species with just a person's name missing (Cuvier and Dall are the only DLC examples of not being there, and are pretty old):
  • Pallas's Cat
  • Kirk's Dik-dik
  • Matschie's Tree Kangaroo
  • Coquerel's Sifaka
  • Pere David's Deer
  • Grevy's Zebra
  • De Brazza's Monkey
  • Francois' Leaf Monkey
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Brazilian tapir
Bush dog
Howler monkey
Spider monkey
Giant armadillo
Spectacled bear
Red footed tortoise
American flamingo
Black necked swan
Southern screamer
White faced whistling duck
Burrowing owl
Black caimán
South american river turtle
Marine iguana
Rhinoceros iguana

Not really my most wanted species for South América (except for the monkeys, tapir and armadillo and the birds) but i'll take them all 😂
 

Marvinb

Marvinb
HunterIsCookie said:
To be fair, lemurs are an incredibly common group in captivity. Some may be rare, but so many species have captive presence that it kinda makes sense to be this represented.

Biggest issue is South America primates should have the same amount if not more reps for the same reasons.
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Every region honestly. Monkeys, perhaps more than any other group stand out to me for their species diversity in zoos. Like (common marmoset and cottontop aside maybe) there really isnt any species where you can say 'yep thats the one youll always see', which maybe came to be their downfall? Since this way there really isnt any particular species thats a really iconic or essential zoo animal, whereas for something like pinipeds its easy to point to something like a CA sea lion or harbor seal.

Like honestly i kinda like the approach of having a package with 3 kinda basic ones and 1 special or rare one like they did with the lemurs now. I only wish monkeys could have the same treatment, have the proboscis as the special one and add rhesus macaque and grey langur to keep the japanese macque company as a nice variety of basic ones for asia, likewise africa could really use the hamadryas, gurezea and a patas in addition to the mandrill. Same for South america ofc
 
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Cooper_yang

Cooper_yang
HunterIsCookie said:
To be fair, lemurs are an incredibly common group in captivity. Some may be rare, but so many species have captive presence that it kinda makes sense to be this represented.

Biggest issue is South America primates should have the same amount if not more reps for the same reasons.
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dude,To be fair, I agree with some of your comments. I understand the non-Chinese players' confusion about all the snub-nosed monkeys. This animal is to us Chinese players what the American black bear is to North American players. Lemurs are common, just like almost every sizable zoo has crocodiles, no matter what kind of crocodile. But the question is, what if we replace the sifaka with a black howler monkey? Or a Black-and-white Colobu? I don't mean to say that the sifaka is bad, but just like penguins are to birds, what we lack at the moment is more basic monkeys. I'm not selfish, and honestly, if I had to choose between the black howler monkey and the GSNM, I would choose the black howler monkey because the black howler monkey is a representative species for primates in South America. When primates in many regions are underrepresented, we have a fourth lemur... This is obviously not right. (PS: Once again, sifaka is good, but GSNM is also good. I don’t like to choose between them because it is not the crux of the problem. If I have to choose, I will choose neither. I would rather choose black howler monkey or Black-and-white Colobu or a François’s Langur. I think if we really get sifaka, it can only mean that this is a way to reduce development costs. After all, other monkeys may mean completely new 3D modeling and action design)
 
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CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
In all honesty I could see why they choose the Sifaka. If the pack is a zookeepers theme the sifaka is an iconic animal in zoos, just look at zoboomafoo from the show. So with the theme it does fit, but there were better choices for a monkey that we actually needed especially if this is the last one. It’s a very similar case to Oceania pack, we got 2 primates, but only 1 was 1 we really wanted, the other is just more of a nice add on just like when we got the kiwi and little penguin.

Again still hoping this is all propaganda and we are completely wrong in Monday 😅
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
CharlieXGaming said:
Again still hoping this is all propaganda and we are completely wrong in Monday 😅
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I just don’t like feeling like we figured it out. I want the surprise. Normally we are about half right (we thought Mountains and got Eurasia), so I’m expecting something like that.

Now if Frontier wants a complete surprise like how Barnyard was, (not saying a Barnyard quality pack, just that it was super unexpected) I wouldn’t complain.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
NZFanatic said:
I was under the impression they were actually quite rare in zoos compared to other lemurs, but I haven't actually looked at any data on it either. Anecdotally, I don't remember ever seeing any and I've been to a few big zoos over the years around the world.
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Off the top of my head I can only think of the Bronx Zoo, I saw them in person there. Otherwise that’s it, and I have also been to a decent handful of zoos.
 

PnGLINNyo

PnGLINNyo
NZFanatic said:
I was under the impression they were actually quite rare in zoos compared to other lemurs, but I haven't actually looked at any data on it either. Anecdotally, I don't remember ever seeing any and I've been to a few big zoos over the years around the world.
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Most of the specimens reside in Europe from what I know, as well as major zoos like you've said including San Diego
 
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