Open-Only in PP2.0?
- Thread starter August Lagrange
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The problem is everyone thinks of open as one instance where everyone is there and seen by everyone else in open. iIts even more problematic as you have edo lite and live which have their "opens"
Open is just one of many instances that are "open".
It doesn't work like that it's never worked like that it's never gone to work like that. Like it or not the chances of instancing with your enemy is like hoping for EDO on Console.
There is no extra reward for blowing up an enemy commander or a harmless enemy NPC ( in open ).
In fact just PvP can do more harm to your faction or PP as you aren't filling up the pots ( in any mode) .
If you don't meet an enemy commander does your effort then count or should it wiped because there was no PVP ?? Imagine the cries ???
You could say that you are open only and use other methods for that extra boost ? Who knows ?
As to being forced to PvE ? It is the main gameplay, take a mission it's isn't killing commanders it's an NPC or an NPC sent out to kill you . Try playing the game with no pve interactions ? You have exploration but to sell it's NPC trade it's NPC trade it's NPC mining it's NPC .
My only caveat is if open was a single instance but that will never happen...
Open is just one of many instances that are "open".
It doesn't work like that it's never worked like that it's never gone to work like that. Like it or not the chances of instancing with your enemy is like hoping for EDO on Console.
There is no extra reward for blowing up an enemy commander or a harmless enemy NPC ( in open ).
In fact just PvP can do more harm to your faction or PP as you aren't filling up the pots ( in any mode) .
If you don't meet an enemy commander does your effort then count or should it wiped because there was no PVP ?? Imagine the cries ???
You could say that you are open only and use other methods for that extra boost ? Who knows ?
As to being forced to PvE ? It is the main gameplay, take a mission it's isn't killing commanders it's an NPC or an NPC sent out to kill you . Try playing the game with no pve interactions ? You have exploration but to sell it's NPC trade it's NPC trade it's NPC mining it's NPC .
My only caveat is if open was a single instance but that will never happen...
Mmm true about the instancing but!
Take cubeo as an example.
If the "enemy" plotted up just out of policing range of the main asset there with the intent of intercepting incoming merit transports, wouldn't they have a field day? There's fun to be had legitimately in open. IF your in the right place at the right time, just like how gankers do it. Only difference is its not morally reprehensible.
Take cubeo as an example.
If the "enemy" plotted up just out of policing range of the main asset there with the intent of intercepting incoming merit transports, wouldn't they have a field day? There's fun to be had legitimately in open. IF your in the right place at the right time, just like how gankers do it. Only difference is its not morally reprehensible.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
That would be the outcome of PvP-gating an existing pan-modal game feature to Open only, yes - if those players who don't enjoy PvP wanted to continue to affect Powerplay.
It applies, and always has, to all in-game features as none of them require any player to engage or even tolerate PvP while affecting them.
It's not just an opinion - it's baked in to the game design that no player can force another player to choose to instance with them to be able to be engaged in PvP - and everyone bought the game on that basis whether they agree with it or not.
If the BGS and Powerplay belong to any player then they belong to all players equally - as they are pan-modal game features that don't require any player to present themself to be shot at by others while affecting the features. If some players feel aggrieved that they can't force opponents in any game feature to engage in PvP then maybe those game features are not really suited to their preferences - noting that they can't force other players to engage in PvP.
All players bought the game as it is on the same terms - that some who want the game to be something different in ways that would adversely affect other players is unsurprising but they bought the same game as everyone else and on the same terms. It all comes back to players not being able to force players to instance with them for what may be unwanted interactions. Put differently, a players decision not to instance with other players precedes and may over-ride the desire of any other player to instance with them.
If it were a case of "adding a single breadcrumb" then there would likely be less opposition. It would not be a case of "adding" anything though - it would be a removal of the ability of players in modes other than Open to affect a base game pan-modal game feature that every player bought access to on the same basis.
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I can imagine assuming there is open only aspect to pp 2.0, that alot of cmdrs won't like it.
Conversely alot will. Its not a question of who's right or wrong. Or if the game was designed or fundamentally changed, to allow it.
It a question IF it's a good idea or not.
There's the rub.
Personally I think it's a fab idea and will be beneficial in the long run.
But once again I imagine alot disagree.
Depends on which side of the fence your on.
Pvp is optional, consensual, and atm not imposed to gameplay loops.
Guess we'll just have to wait n see how it pans out.
Conversely alot will. Its not a question of who's right or wrong. Or if the game was designed or fundamentally changed, to allow it.
It a question IF it's a good idea or not.
There's the rub.
Personally I think it's a fab idea and will be beneficial in the long run.
But once again I imagine alot disagree.
Depends on which side of the fence your on.
Pvp is optional, consensual, and atm not imposed to gameplay loops.
Guess we'll just have to wait n see how it pans out.
Your not forced into PVE, PVE is technically the default as PvP is a result of certain circumstances.
PVE does not cause you any harm, Powerplay is for all not just those wanting to blow others up and Fdev have confirmed this.
If your spending time looking for haulers/fortifiers to blow up you are wasting your time, you wont find me, even in Open.
Exactly, CQC was made for PvP yet the PvP community decided not to support it.
PVE creates problems for nobody and the fact that many play in Solo or PVE PGs is a result of the actions of a few hiding behind the 'pvp get gud' or Yaaaa im a Pirate brigades which have nowt to do with you folks doing PP.
Even IF PP2 went Open only it still wouldn't work as PvPers would just get added to a block list.
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But there's no PvE gring which can satisfy and fill "my bucket of exhibitionism"... I can't make a YT video claiming a victory against someone with kabooms of brainless NPCs.
The point you all are missing is that who likes PvP doesn't care about winning or losing PvE (which is clearly the main goal of PvE grinders).
The day you understand that, you could make a step closer to undestand the PvPers' point of view.
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Powerplay groups should indeed forbid the use of blocklists... (some group does).
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Powerplay groups creating out-of-game rules can be ignored just like any other player who wants others to abide by their made-up ruleset, e.g. a player with a "no player should shoot at me in Open" out-of-game rule would (almost certainly) be ignored by those who like to shoot at other players.
Like gospel to me ears.
No but you care about your factions PP or BGS and that is essentially PVE fill buckets, I'm afraid .
We only do open ? How is that checked ?
Do big groups not have secret squirrels who do sneaky work ?
I don't attack thargoids, I never followed the "we wuz innocent we didn't do nuffin" cries. But that's my rule.
Yes there is the thrill of PvP of enjoying a fight winning or losing or even managing to run away nursing my poor ship to a safe haven.
I would love for the game to be more involved to play your way and for you to reap the rewards and consequences of your actions. But this game comes the closest out of all but is still so far away .
Possibly the same day that Pvpers finally understand many of us just want to do the PVE side of PP
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Possibly the same day that Pvpers finally understand many of us just want to do the PVE side of PP
I have flipped both sides and I don't see where PvE is in powerplay.
Yes, unfortunately... but in the big scheme of things this is encircled in the poweplay baseline so doesn't really matter.
I don't know how does it work for other groups but if some one belonging to our group is doing things in solo/PG is booted (in the best case scenario).
May be, just ask them.
The ultimate decision is up to the single... it's just pixels aftera all.
The day you understand you will never ever see ED making anything "PvP Only" again, you'll be a step closer to... wherever you want to be.
They made you PvP Only part of the game, CQC. But no, that's not PvP you like - you flying murderboats and killing unarmed traders and explorers, hawhaw, fun!! No, there everybody is equally armed & equipped, so you can't do your hawhaw there. Not fun.
So if you're so into "PvP Open only", go CQC. That's the only Open Only you'll have.
Oh, and speaking of your "the day you understand that, you could make a step closer to undestand the PvPers' point of view", the day you understand people are not afraid of PvPers but merely see them as irritating, not worth bothering with in their pass time, you could make a step closer to understand PvE/Solo/Group point of view.
Oh, shoved out in the ghetto where we don't even get to use our own ships or even actually choose which map to fly on. Give me a break.
And you don't get a hint?
The fact that you think this is some sort of gotcha tells me everything I need to know. Only your gameplay is allowed. How dare anyone like other things. Not even the explicitly adversarial optional game layer can be anything other than yours, yours yours, and all other people deserve is crumbs.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Looked at from a different perspective, this is exactly what the Open only proponents are doing, in relation to each specific existing pan-modal game feature that they request / demand be made Open only - because it would be entirely unreasonable of the PvE players not to instantly defer to the preferred play-style of those who enjoy PvP while engaging in game content that doesn't require PvP in a game where other players are an optional extra, wouldn't it?
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