Preparing for PZ2 metawishlist

Stygi

Stygi
We can use this thread to discuss how we intend to run the metawishlist for PZ2:
For example:
  • Who will manage the thread
  • How will we manage such a large list
  • What groups of animals will people be allowed to include
  • How many animals will be people be allowed to submit
  • Will we allow edits

I believe that @yoav_r @SuzieSky @SpookDoc @Fini @DarthQuell @ReptoMin @Spiderhawk @Milurian and I have all expressed interest in helping run the wishlist

I think that we should allow submissions of up to 200 animals including standard habitat animals, exhibit animals, flying birds an full aquatics
 
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Angeł

Angeł
Do you think maybe setting a ratio for Habitat : Flying : Full Aquatic : Exhibit would be a good idea? For example, your list should include:

25 Habitat Animals
20 Flying Animals
15 Full Aquatic Animals
15 Exhibit Animals

(FOR EXAMPLE)

That way, people’s lists aren’t too muddled and heavily imbalanced with 100 species of macaw or something.
 

Fini

Fini
RightWhale said:
Should we focus on what animals will be new to the game? Or would that include returning animals?
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both.

I could well imagine that we should also mark what animals should be in the base game, what should be in the DLC, etc.

For example, in my private list I have also marked the animals in which habitat they live.
e.g.:
Elephant - Base - Ground
Pelican - Base - semi Aquatic
Manatee - DLC - Aquatic
Bald Eagle - Base - Avian
Emu - Base - semi Avian
 

PnGLINNyo

PnGLINNyo
Angeł said:
Do you think maybe setting a ratio for Habitat : Flying : Full Aquatic : Exhibit would be a good idea? For example, your list should include:

25 Habitat Animals
20 Flying Animals
15 Full Aquatic Animals
15 Exhibit Animals

(FOR EXAMPLE)

That way, people’s lists aren’t too muddled and heavily imbalanced with 100 species of macaw or something.
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I'd say 30:20:10:10, just to keep it the same number as PZ1 base game roster. But hey, they'd be more opinions so we'll see
 

PnGLINNyo

PnGLINNyo
RightWhale said:
I feel like 200 base game is too high, 100 is too low. I would say do about 150! Should be a good middle ground.
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I think 100 is too high😅😅
I did my rostering for my wishlist of ideal zoo base game roster and that sum up at 80 so that'd be a decent amount me thinks
Still I get your 150 idea, why P*****n had about 150 at start 🤪🤪
 

PnGLINNyo

PnGLINNyo
RightWhale said:
I get that, but for a sequel game I would be very mad if it started both with a low Roster and I had to rebuy a lot of animals, so I think about double 80, around 150 would be good.
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Point taken. But how did JWE and JWE2 bases compared? Weren't there difference in species count there too?
 

Fini

Fini
PnGLINNyo said:
I think 100 is too high😅😅
I did my rostering for my wishlist of ideal zoo base game roster and that sum up at 80 so that'd be a decent amount me thinks
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120/150 is OK, I think.
I stopped my 100 animals for PZ2 list, simply because it was impossible to squeeze in enough birds and fish without sacrificing other important animals.
 

random goat

random goat
Thanks for starting this one and including those points of discussion:
My thoughts:
  • I'm happy to help providing my meta-wishlist's post template and Excel file and any advice on how to run it. But, I don't have the time to commit to tally the votes and keep it updated. Not now nor in the next months.

  • Who will manage the thread: I think @SuzieSky did a fantastic job with the latest wishlist and could be a good candidate to start and update the OP. However, I genuinely think this should be a collaborative task this would be a formality more than anything.

  • How will we manage such a large list: Again in my eyes this should be a collaborative project, we're talking potentially 2-3 years of people's submissions, with the added complexity that it'd be a large number of animals per individual list submitted (I'll get to this later in the post). As this is a massive commitment (we're looking at potentially >75000 votes), people who would like to be involved and help would need to get organised and be open to share Excel files, R scripts or whatever you prefer (I guess Excel is the easiest). Opening a dedicated space to get organised for this would not be out of this world. Something like a Discord server as it'd be impossible to organise all this here privately, let alone publically. The managing team could perhaps work in relays - eg. each working to keep the list updated on a monthly basis.

  • What groups of animals will people be allowed to include: I would opt for the whole animal kingdom, as this would ensure everything is in one place assuming that we'll get a more flexible exhibit system, aviaries and aquariums. This being said, for the sake of simplifying things specially thinking of people doing the work, I think implementing ratios of Category A, Category B, etc. animals would be an extra task I deem unnecessary. We also genuinely don't know how that ratio would be ingame? Couldn't it be changed precisely because of our feedback here? If anyone is only interested in building aquariums, why wouldn't they be allowed to vote for just aquatic animals?

  • How many animals will be people be allowed to submit: This is completely arbitrary but based on the amount of animals we got in PZ at launch (around 75?) and what they did with JWE2, I reckon 150 is a fair number to ask for. Now, sorry @Fini but I have to disagree with you, asking people to state whether they want X animal in base-game or future DLC is again another unnecessary level of complexity that would involve extra time to manage.

  • Will we allow edits: Again I don't think this is a good idea at least until PZ2 launches, then I wouldn't allow them more than once a year. Believe me, too much work.

  • Animal groups, species, subspecies, populations/breeds debate: Something that was criticised a lot in the meta-wishlist was that it was not generic enough or, that the results were skewed whenever someone voted for a "generic animal from X animal group" without specifying the species, as their vote would go to the most voted species within that animal group. Where would we set the threshold? In general terms I would go for species for the standard animal category, only allowing subspecies for those animals that were featured as subspecies in PZ1 (eg. lions, tigers, brown bears, etc.). Breeds should be accepted for domestic animals.
    And perhaps this time around, to please the masses, we (you) could change how you tally the votes for "generic gibbon", adding a vote to all the gibbon species so none of them is overestimated.
 
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