Elite Dangerous - Powerplay 2.0 Merit Changes
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I'm pledged to LYR, and the system was War-something some dozen lightyears off Akkadia being exploited by LYR (reinforcing state). I was selling 96t of platinum at ~20t per sale to the station whatchamacallit, which I'd mined in system.
*Wargis, station Gehry Port.
To reiterate, I was still selling portions of the same exact load of cargo when it stopped giving merits, as I was when it was giving merits.
Over the span of the 60 seconds it took me to sell the load in portions, the merits stopped coming in mid sales (I was looking at the merit values after each sale to see if they're consistent, and if varying the amount sold up or down by few T had a relevant impact to the amount).
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It almost sounds as if FD nerfed the 1 ton/for extra merits trick by limiting the number of merit rewarded transactions you can do for a time period - but no, other people would have reported it by now
Must be something else.Clarification request, what are "mined resources RU", and "mined resources A" ?
One of those can be sold in reinforcement systems according to your table while the other can't, but I can't find a clarification on what RU and A actually mean. Probably something obvious to a veteran but I'm just being confused.
Edit: oh wait, is that "mining for Acquisition" and "mining for Reinforcement/Undermine"?
Seems highly likely!
Okay, some further data from my latest run literally minutes ago. (same system, same mining spot, same sale station, same stuff sold)
First sale, 20 platinum: 2000-and-something merits. (neglected to pay enough attention for the specific number to register in memory, but based on 2nd and 3rd, I'd guess 2504)
Second sale, 20 platinum: 2504 merits.
Third sale, 20 platinum: 2504 merits.
Fourth sale, "I wonder how hard the diminishing returns actually hit if I speed this up a bit" 40 platinum: 300-and-a-bit merits. (so shocked that I didn't store the number in my brain, I want to say 384, but might have been 354 or 327 idfk, started with a 3 and had three numbers though
)Fifth sale, 2 platinum: 0 merits.
Total plat sold, 102t, 96 cargo + 6 refinery bins. Oh, and credits wise the 20 and 40t sales were as expected, double for the 40t that I got for the 20t's.
There's something hinky going on, but IDK what... maybe the veterans can figure it out. /shrug
Gonna try another run in a bit, need the mony anyway so not getting the merits is an annoyance of inefficiency, but without PP I'd just probably be doing this somewhere else to grind credits for the Cutter before I left the bubble to move to Colonia (since I've understood I can't get the faction ships there).
Also this is starting to bug me, kinda wanna get this mystery solved and that probably requires moar data! So damn the merits, mining lasers at full! Aw shoot, I forgot the limpets, brb...
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Okay additional run done...Okay, some further data from my latest run literally minutes ago. (same system, same mining spot, same sale station, same stuff sold)
First sale, 20 platinum: 2000-and-something merits. (neglected to pay enough attention for the specific number to register in memory, but based on 2nd and 3rd, I'd guess 2504)
Second sale, 20 platinum: 2504 merits.
Third sale, 20 platinum: 2504 merits.
Fourth sale, "I wonder how hard the diminishing returns actually hit if I speed this up a bit" 40 platinum: 300-and-a-bit merits. (so shocked that I didn't store the number in my brain, I want to say 384, but might have been 354 or 327 idfk, started with a 3 and had three numbers though
Fifth sale, 2 platinum: 0 merits.
Total plat sold, 102t, 96 cargo + 6 refinery bins. Oh, and credits wise the 20 and 40t sales were as expected, double for the 40t that I got for the 20t's.
There's something hinky going on, but IDK what... maybe the veterans can figure it out. /shrug
Gonna try another run in a bit, need the mony anyway so not getting the merits is an annoyance of inefficiency, but without PP I'd just probably be doing this somewhere else to grind credits for the Cutter before I left the bubble to move to Colonia (since I've understood I can't get the faction ships there).
Also this is starting to bug me, kinda wanna get this mystery solved and that probably requires moar data! So damn the merits, mining lasers at full! Aw shoot, I forgot the limpets, brb...
All sales 20t plat unless otherwise noted.
First sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Second sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Third sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Fourth sale: 1300 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Fifth sale (12t plat): Zero (0) merits (some money, icr)
Sixth sale (some Gold (like 8t-ish or w/e) I picked up just to see if exactly this happens after plat sale merits zero out): 500 merits (also some money)
I still don't really understand why, but a definite pattern seems to be emerging of hitting a wall around 70-ish plat sold. Guess I should diversify and take the hit on credit gains by picking up more lower priced metals if I want to get more merits...
/shrug More testing probably needed. I also note that while the sale profits were the same as on my previous run (3.3mil for 20t), the merit gains had dropped slightly from the get go. If I was delivering too much of the same cargo or something, shouldn't the profits be going down too?
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Okay additional run done...
All sales 20t plat unless otherwise noted.
First sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Second sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Third sale: 2400 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Fourth sale: 1300 and a bit -merits (~3.3mil credits)
Fifth sale (12t plat): Zero (0) merits (some money, icr)
Sixth sale (some Gold (like 8t-ish or w/e) I picked up just to see if exactly this happens after plat sale merits zero out): 500 merits (also some money)
I still don't really understand why, but a definite pattern seems to be emerging of hitting a wall around 70-ish plat sold. Guess I should diversify and take the hit on credit gains by picking up more lower priced metals if I want to get more merits...
I also note that while the sale profits were the same as on my previous run (3.3mil for 20t), the merit gains had dropped slightly from the get go. If I was delivering too much of the same cargo or something, shouldn't the profits be going down too?
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One more for the road...
Sold 3x20t plat, then started selling 1t at a time. Unfortunately it is currently almost 8 am, so I lost count. Around 5-10 sales (so 65-70t total plat sold, consistent with prior data) the 1t sales that were giving 120 merits, stopped giving any merits at all. Selling other metals still gave merits, but selling other stuff and then selling more plat did not get more merits from the plat sales. IDK what the cooldown would be since on separate runs it's clearly resetting, and that's beyond my paygrade for investigating.
Profits and merits gone down slightly (3.2mil for 20t, instead of 3.3, merits similarly slightly down) from previous runs, but these are expected and understandable since I'm shoving plat down their throats. I do not understand why the merits hit a brick wall and drop to zero around the 65-70 mark.
F1 starting... after that it's bedtime. Might pick this up again tomorrow... or not, my brain hurts.
Looks like FD nerfed the 1k trick by capping the merits to what you'd normally get for unloading all that platinum in one go. @Darkfyre99 have you seen this happen very recently?
Yes - it's just a tag to distinguish that while they're the same activity from a game perspective they don't work in quite the same way in terms of detailed requirements.
I'll make a note somewhere on the page about that.
I couldn't spot "Transfer Power Data R" in there just now
Updated to cover both of these now - thanks.Clarification request, what are "mined resources RU", and "mined resources A" ?
Agreed but i am a fan of a certain amount of non-hand holding, half the fun (or frustration) is seeing the community work things out.
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Not really, because I’d already tested the efficacy of the one-ton trick, and came to the conclusion that except under rare conditions, it isn’t worth the time and tedium. You’ll come out ahead, but there’s a potentially large opportunity cost to using it.
Especially once life pods can be turned in for merits again. Between opportunities for salvage, scanning, and bounty hunting, you’re better off, long term, with bulk trading.
Last night, I was testing a different trade route that had the same economy types, to see if I can sus out what I should be looking for, and how much cargo should I bring that’ll give me the most bang for my buck, given diminishing returns. I’ve concluded that there’s not much point favoring any particular commodity in most situations.
Today, as the opportunity arises, I’m going to combine what I learned with donation missions, and see how it all works out. Then comes repeating this test for undermining,
Honestly im having so much fun in PP2.
PP1 was endless hauling (for me) now im constantly changing trade routes, searching for new mining spots with the best station prices, dropping into Power wreckage for black boxes and doing some Power conflicts when i find them.
We actually have to think for a living now
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PP1 was endless hauling (for me) now im constantly changing trade routes, searching for new mining spots with the best station prices, dropping into Power wreckage for black boxes and doing some Power conflicts when i find them.
We actually have to think for a living now
O7
Honestly im having so much fun in PP2.
PP1 was endless hauling (for me) now im constantly changing trade routes, searching for new mining spots with the best station prices, dropping into Power wreckage for black boxes and doing some Power conflicts when i find them.
We actually have to think for a living now
O7
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This.
Running donation missions frequently means visiting multiple systems with diverse economies, and the best merit/ton returns has been loading up on commodities, and dropping them off a little at a time at each stop, while picking up commodities for sale along the way, for donation, or to selling at the station I'd picked up the donation missions for. I've found myself actually slowing down from my normal "buckyball mode" to scan ships and USSs, and to give pirates a chance to catch up so I can kill them.
Yeah, I got there in the end after staring at the differences in the table bit more. Was probably just too late in the morning for me at that point and I was being a muppet.
But having clarification is always good for anyone else easily confused due to sleep deprivation or whatever.
Demand for Platinum in Wargis is pretty low at the moment, probably due to all the players supporting that system with mining. Inara puts it at 77 tonnes at the time of writing.Profits and merits gone down slightly (3.2mil for 20t, instead of 3.3, merits similarly slightly down) from previous runs, but these are expected and understandable since I'm shoving plat down their throats. I do not understand why the merits hit a brick wall and drop to zero around the 65-70 mark.
F1 starting... after that it's bedtime. Might pick this up again tomorrow... or not, my brain hurts.
While I'm honestly not a trader at heart in this game, the merit reward may come from the sell price above galactic average (rather than absolute). In which case a saturated market isn't going to give much back in terms of merit reward (and may explain why you're getting zero on subsequent sells).
Good morning, FDev.
I hope you had a good weekend.
It is Monday, so I assume you're back in the office.
I expect OccuPods and DamPods to resume rewarding merits today.
I hope you had a good weekend.
It is Monday, so I assume you're back in the office.
I expect OccuPods and DamPods to resume rewarding merits today.
probably not. they instead will have to continue nerfing things to keep the exploiters / podcasters / youtubers in check and stop them from telling people how to achieve rank 100 within 1 minute 13 seconds
i have some choice words for the exploiters about ruining the powerplay 2 gameplay for the rest of us who play legit, but i would probably get banned
Type 8 finally gets released from the ARGHS prison after one month overtime on Thursday (didn't help with selling any more of them, still sitting at the bottom on Inara, quite unlike the Mandalay). With some luck that will go along with a patch as well. And there's the new FU stream on Wednesday, although I don't get my hopes up much that they'll actually talk about the problems in that.