DLC 19 Speculation

Arboreal Animal Pack
1. SA coati
2. NWM
3. Tree kangaroo
4. Ocelot
5. American black bear
6. Old world Monkey / Sumatran Orangutan
7. Yellow throated marten
That pack would knock it out of the park for me, not gonna lie. Do I believe in it? Absolutely not.
Honestly, only thing missing for my heart here is (if the NWM is a squirrel monkey) a walrus. I know they are rarely aboreal though, so there is that.
 
But , Between Zookeepers and DLC 19 ( Assuming April ) , they have around 6 - 7 months to make a dlc , So a Arboreal pack could be possible
Counterpoint: Zookeeper also had half a year and they still skimped out on doing anything climbing related for the sifaka.
Personally i never saw an arboreal pack as particularly likely, but that is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for it imo.
 
If there is two more i can see a duo of Rainforest and Savannah animal packs.
The former mostly consisting of mostly SA with some other animals from around the world like the tree kangaroo and the latter having rhea, mara, secretary, blackbuck and stuff. Could be a decent way to round up alot of requested animals but still have an actual theme rather than a random selection of animals
Rainforest and Savannah would have me hyped ngl
 
If it's one more pack then defintely another general mix. If we get two or more I could finally see them doing Latin America/Central America or general Americas pack. But they could also troll us again and go with a Safari pack :p
 
Counterpoint: Zookeeper also had half a year and they still skimped out on doing anything climbing related for the sifaka.
In all honesty, I don't think they ever were going to not re-use the climbing system of the lemur, I genuinely think the sifaka climbing doesn't work that well with the current climbing system. It's a compromise that some people are fine with and others aren't; but that's always going to be the nature of any game.

I'm more than fine with us getting slightly less realistic climbing for some animals if it means we can do what we can do today. But I also totally get that other people just want prefabs and be done with it.
 
One pack left? I think it's still very possible it'll be either Latin America or just Americas based. Why Americas and not just South America? For the simple reason of the American Black Bear. Then they throw in another one or even two more North American animals.

Two packs left? One pack focusing just on Latin America, and then something like the Zookeeper pack's randomness like "Around the World" or something.
 
In all honesty, I don't think they ever were going to not re-use the climbing system of the lemur, I genuinely think the sifaka climbing doesn't work that well with the current climbing system. It's a compromise that some people are fine with and others aren't; but that's always going to be the nature of any game.

I'm more than fine with us getting slightly less realistic climbing for some animals if it means we can do what we can do today. But I also totally get that other people just want prefabs and be done with it.
Yeah i agree that the sifaka was never gonna be 100% accurate. But i just cant accept that having them as a lemur reskin that moves around nothing like they do irl is the best they could do.
Like the absolute bare minimum would have reusing their ground animations for the horizontal climbing so its atleast somewhat accurate. With adding a custom enrichment item that function like the goat rock where they jump between a couple logs making it a decent approach
 
Frontier posted the labor of love award nomination on steam and its allways fun to see the steam people in their natural habitat.
Gotta agree though, last year really did not feel like a labor of love even if "too many dlc" and "they try to make money" wouldnt be the way i put that criticism.
 
Frontier posted the labor of love award nomination on steam and its allways fun to see the steam people in their natural habitat.
Gotta agree though, last year really did not feel like a labor of love even if "too many dlc" and "they try to make money" wouldnt be the way i put that criticism.
I never even understood what kinda criticism "too many dlc" is supposed to be. Like they are completely optional, if you dont wanna buy any just dont
 
Counterpoint: Zookeeper also had half a year and they still skimped out on doing anything climbing related for the sifaka.
Personally i never saw an arboreal pack as particularly likely, but that is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for it imo.
I do think an arboreal pack would be pretty cool. But thinking on it more, I think the biggest "hurdle" that theme has would be similar to a pack that was just any one animal type: You eliminate any potential consumers who dislike that particular type of animal, or who prefer to build for animals of other types. There's a not-insignificant chunk of players who don't like building for climbers. So a pack like that would have the same issue as, say, a pack full of any one animal type (whether that be birds, primates, dogs, cats, reptiles or whatever).

There's a reason every Frontier pack (mostly) has had a similar mix of animal species. If there's more species diversity, more people will want to purchase the pack.
 
I never even understood what kinda criticism "too many dlc" is supposed to be. Like they are completely optional, if you dont wanna buy any just dont
Usually the people complaining about "too many DLC" are the same folks who gripe that games are released "before being completed" nowadays (i.e., they want to buy a game and then have it never be updated again and/or have to purchase DLC at all--but all for the same price, usually).

Then there's people who might want all of the DLC but can't afford them (which I feel them on) but that's also just kinda how games like this work at this point and the energy put into complaining about it could probably be better used elsewhere.
 
I never even understood what kinda criticism "too many dlc" is supposed to be. Like they are completely optional, if you dont wanna buy any just dont
Trolls i suppouse. Complaining about greedy companys when this is still far from the abyss that corporate greed can be.
Crazy take but if you actually like the game your happy if the game still gets quality content and updates years later for a fair price but what do i know
 
I never even understood what kinda criticism "too many dlc" is supposed to be. Like they are completely optional, if you dont wanna buy any just dont
i don't think there's a very good way to put it in words, so i will instead just post a meme that sumarize those people problem with PZ dlcs:
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If you need a more complex explanation, imagine being an avarege brazilian that likes games and animals and there's this zoo game, you look inside and see the whole thing costs 600 R$, and if you don't want or have the money to buy it all, and just stick with the base game, you are stuck in a zoo game without penguins, monkeys, anything for Australia and SA (plus the only animal from your country being a incorrectly named peccary), and a mechanic that have 0 purpose without dlcs, with none of those problems being fixable buying one or two dlcs.

There, now the game simply feel like it have to many dlcs.
 
i don't think there's a very good way to put it in words, so i will instead just post a meme that sumarize those people problem with PZ dlcs:
View attachment 411108If you need a more complex explanation, imagine being an avarege brazilian that likes games and animals and there's this zoo game, you look inside and see the whole thing costs 600 R$, and if you don't want or have the money to buy it all, and just stick with the base game, you are stuck in a zoo game without penguins, monkeys, anything for Australia and SA (plus the only animal from your country being a incorrectly named peccary), and a mechanic that have 0 purpose without dlcs, with none of those problems being fixable buying one or two dlcs.

There, now the game simply feel like it have to many dlcs.
While defenetly a fair criticism for the first 2 years of dlc but especally the very first one, since wetlands that doesnt really hold any water to me.
Was it scummy that there was no penguin, polarbear, kangaroo, arboreal monkey or animals from australia and south america in the basegame? A bit yeah
But since wetlands everything has been a bonus instead of filling the very blatant holes of the basegame (well besides the more general roster problems but thats besides the point as expecting the whole current roster in the basegame 5 years ago would have genuinly been unreasonable)
 
i don't think there's a very good way to put it in words, so i will instead just post a meme that sumarize those people problem with PZ dlcs:
View attachment 411108If you need a more complex explanation, imagine being an avarege brazilian that likes games and animals and there's this zoo game, you look inside and see the whole thing costs 600 R$, and if you don't want or have the money to buy it all, and just stick with the base game, you are stuck in a zoo game without penguins, monkeys, anything for Australia and SA (plus the only animal from your country being a incorrectly named peccary), and a mechanic that have 0 purpose without dlcs, with none of those problems being fixable buying one or two dlcs.

There, now the game simply feel like it have to many dlcs.
But how is that any different from the expansion approach ZT2 had? That game also had no monkeys, nothing for south america and 1 animal each for europe and australia. and there you would have to spend 30 if i remember correctly to get any od the expansion packs
 
I see it as "well my country has no representation in the base game and I HAVE to buy all this dlc", the base game itself for a general zoo game is quite good but really limited to africa and iconic species for asia and north america. When we get into representation for individual countries for oceania, south america, europe etc, the base game is worthless to them and need to suck up the 15+ dlc purchases which is quite an investment for new players.
 
While defenetly a fair criticism for the first 2 years of dlc but especally the very first one, since wetlands that doesnt really hold any water to me.
Was it scummy that there was no penguin, polarbear, kangaroo, arboreal monkey or animals from australia and south america in the basegame? A bit yeah
But since wetlands everything has been a bonus instead of filling the very blatant holes of the basegame (well besides the more general roster problems but thats besides the point as expecting the whole current roster in the basegame 5 years ago would have genuinly been unreasonable)
i would argue it's a problem for the first three years though, if you only buy the dlcs from arctic to Wetlands you still doesn't have anything to put on the WE plus lack of a horse, so put conservation and twilight together and we have a agreement.
But how is that any different from the expansion approach ZT2 had?
It's argubly different because ZT2 had 4 dlcs with the second half being the "fries" of the burguer analogy, while the first two were expansion pack that put together what in PZ would be 3-4 dlcs each. through it's not my point to say "ZT2 expansion pack good, PZ dlc bad", as the meme isn't made by me and i couldn't remove the "then and now", i'm simply anshwering your question of why some people feel like the game has too many dlc.
I see it as "well my country has no representation in the base game and I HAVE to buy all this dlc"
It's not, the point is that the base game of PZ is lacking and you need to spend more to have the bare minimum or to use whole mechanics.


Edit and note: i don't have any problem with the DLC model after Grasslands, i think the tactic of putting the WE visible for everyone with the base game is scummy, but aside from it i believe there's nothing wrong with it, the point is why so many people think this game has to many dlcs, and i can understand them by seeing a 100 R$ game going to 600 R$, though and to be fair is still no the sims 4.
 
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