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So it's deep web that is not searchable, not findable and not usable by those who don't want to do anything with the privacy nightmare that is Discord. Secret deep web is of course necessary for opsec, but I think that the main PP2 comms platform should be neutral, unopinionated and not playing politics. It's only purpose should be various splinter cells/solo operators informing each other of what ops they are involved in and seeking/offering help for those ops, not a top-down command structure with a diplomatic corps attachment.

OK, good for you. I'm sure you're a good leader, I just happen to be strongly opinionated when it comes to Powerplay blocs, player minor factions and BGS🤪

Since we the "renegades" never signed or agreed to any clauses, treatises or codes of conducts that we must follow in PP, outside of game and outside of Fdev ToS, and inside the game the only condition we did sign was "work to propagate the Power, get benefits, face the risks", it's really only PP group leaders' problem, and group leaders' alone. No offence.

I've been doing focused work and quite a heavy lifting alone in one acquisition system this cycle (there are a few randoms doing some work, but no-one else I've seen on a regular basis in my time zone), I've been pushing the needle quite well with ~100000 merits so far (partly due to very favourable conditions from Thursday to Sunday in that system) and I have a general outline for the next few cycles. I'm sure a small group of 5...10 can really make a difference with similar focused effort. Also, a focused action of 5, or even just two friends, is by definition organized PP, no less valid than a massive Discord group of, say, 1000.

Sure, someone would decide to "play statecraft", but there would be a lot of splinter groups, small squadrons doing their own thing and either not caring about interpower alliances or having a diametrically different alliance. Eg I can easily envision a non-aggression pact between a group of Winters and a group of Kaine pledges, since both powers represent the more progressive wings with similar values and policies in their respective superpowers. I feel the PP would be much more interesting this way. We don't want uncontrollable chaos in real life, but in video games uncontrollable (PvP) chaos makes for fun gameplay😉

Yes, it's all politics. And as with all politics there are bound to be splinter groups and dissenting opinions within the same party. I happen to be one of those dissenting voices since I really love chaotic whirlwinds in games (and also in other media), rather than a boring stalemate where everything goes according to The Plan all the time and nothing interesting ever happens. That's why Thargoid war was so good in the beginning before the Great Sampling Project--it was an all-out all-hands-on-deck conflict against a relentless power with whom diplomacy and treatises were simply not an option.
Pretty much agree with all of that. I got where I am by being extremely opinionated. However I'd hardly call a linkable group from a dozen discords, this forum, and god knows how many other places as deep web but you know what, fair enough. It's not a direct in game resource.
I know for a fact that a small handful of people with the same mission can do. I've run these myself. You can win wars with dedicated organized squads. I love that stuff.

Ultimately different groups have different goals, which led to different Blocs, which, a few thousand dominos later have led to us having this gentlemans conversation.
I won't bore you with Alliance history, it bores me enough. But suffice to say that the past influences the present. Not just in a PP1.0 staff think PP 2.0 must run the same way, because I was never PP 1.0 staff. But more diplomatic incidents in the past caused a long string of cause and effect leading to the decisions of today.

It's actually quite fascinating.

I digress though, we all get to play our own way.
 
I think I need to inform my favorite stronghold carriers that I'm a "renegade" and it's a bad idea to have me on board 🤔 Oh wait, they don't care as long as I'm doing good work on Mahon's behalf as the PP 2.0 system sees it.

Neither the mini-care packages nor the ranks nor the valuable info the Power map delivers are dependent on the judgement of any organized group - no matter how big or organized they are.

So let's not pretend your implied threats or pressure tactics are worth a damn. If you want our cooperation then it has to coincide with our interests. Your own diplomats could have told you that.
 
However I'd hardly call a linkable group from a dozen discords, this forum, and god knows how many other places as deep web
Deep web is simply defined as parts of the web that are not publicly accessible, searchable, indexable. Eg, threads and posts in this forum are surface web, but private messages are deep web; your online banking account is deep web; my private Navidrome and FTP servers accessible only via my VPN is deep web.
I won't bore you with Alliance history, it bores me enough. But suffice to say that the past influences the present. Not just in a PP1.0 staff think PP 2.0 must run the same way, because I was never PP 1.0 staff. But more diplomatic incidents in the past caused a long string of cause and effect leading to the decisions of today.
I've not taken a really deep dive into Alliance history, but I've read most of it. It's fascinating and I've been Alliance-aligned from pretty much day one. Though I have been increasingly disillusioned with Mahon in light of him getting too cozy with Sirius corp and colonizing Coalsack nebula (another strong opinion of mine: decolonize the nebulas, stop poking the threat that is Thargoids in their home turf). I'm also familiar with Nakato Kaine's statements on Galnet and her strong criticism of certain Mahon's policies like the defence pact with Sirius, which made her my #1 lore and roleplay driven choice for PP.
 
I think I need to inform my favorite stronghold carriers that I'm a "renegade" and it's a bad idea to have me on board 🤔 Oh wait, they don't care as long as I'm doing good work on Mahon's behalf as the PP 2.0 system sees it.

Neither the mini-care packages nor the ranks nor the valuable info the Power map delivers are dependent on the judgement of any organized group - no matter how big or organized they are.

So let's not pretend your implied threats or pressure tactics are worth a damn. If you want our cooperation then it has to coincide with our interests. Your own diplomats could have told you that.
There are no implied threats or pressure tactics here.

You seem to not like me for some reason, or at least haven't wiped the egg off of your face from the Orrere comment a few pages ago. So i'll be clear: There are no threats. I've said a bunch of times you can all play how you want to. I meant it every time. However, organized groups and PP communities will continue to do what they do.

If you take so much offense at the term "renegade" I can call you a Random if that really is better? Personally I'd rather have Renegade myself. It sounds cooler. But you know what? Whatever floats your boat.
 
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Deep web is simply defined as parts of the web that are not publicly accessible, searchable, indexable. Eg, threads and posts in this forum are surface web, but private messages are deep web; your online banking account is deep web; my private Navidrome and FTP servers accessible only via my VPN is deep web.

I've not taken a really deep dive into Alliance history, but I've read most of it. It's fascinating and I've been Alliance-aligned from pretty much day one. Though I have been increasingly disillusioned with Mahon in light of him getting too cozy with Sirius corp and colonizing Coalsack nebula (another strong opinion of mine: decolonize the nebulas, stop poking the threat that is Thargoids in their home turf). I'm also familiar with Nakato Kaine's statements on Galnet and her strong criticism of certain Mahon's policies like the defence pact with Sirius, which made her my #1 lore and roleplay driven choice for PP.
Don't get us started on Sirius, they parked a megaship on our back door BGS wise and we just can't get rid of them...

This said: This thread is publicly available, and pinned to the top of this page.
At this point there is only so much PP communities can do.
 
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So you basically described what is happening and what will happen.

Players drive MMOs.
BGS wars. PP.

It's all Players. But Players have loyalties. Friends, Rivals, and yes... grudges.

We also have our own goals. I've mentioned the Kaine goals enough times now, you get it.

The leader board means everything to some people/groups and nothing to others.

Some groups will rabidly and dogmatically be their PP group first. Others will mine only for profits or will be Superpower above all.


Who are any of us to tell them they are wrong?


PP2.0 is in danger of being nearly as stagnant as 1.0 due largely to the weighting making evicting a fortified power almost impossible. But Players choosing their goals... that's always going to be a thing.

Not a fan of replying to myself, but you know what, I believe this point needs a revisit.
I really am not making threats of any kind. In fact I actually agree that there will always be players outside of the core communities doing their own thing. All of us PP coordinators are.

We choose to take part in the large group thing. If you want to do your own small dedicated group thing then that is great too.

If you choose to be upset over my choice of label, then frankly that's on you. But for all of you outriders, renegades, flankers etc, I salute you.
 
There's one really good reason a General would want to have relatively good relations with renegades, splinter cells and radicals. Something that they will need sooner or later😉



Plausible deniability.
 
There's one really good reason a General would want to have relatively good relations with renegades, splinter cells and radicals. Something that they will need sooner or later😉



Plausible deniability.
100% this to be honest.

Not that I have ever been involved in anti-horde player black ops against the crowds backing certain streamers at all. Ever. Not even once.
 
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