Probably < 10. Getting up to 20 now though, so time to switch to another alt I guess
COMPLETED CG Brewer Corporation Planetary Survey Initiative (Exploration)
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Unlike PP where popping = prizes the BGS dissuades focussed nuttery. You can also do this on the sly by assaulting the base or any ships too (which results in no bounty) and trespassing... just being a bad egg all round.Probably < 10. Getting up to 20 now though, so time to switch to another alt I guess
Ok, I was just waiting for the server tick to finish the CG and then starting a new exploration trip. I don`t do combat, because fighting the NPCs is boring and fighting in open is hell. So I have to wait until this is solved. I can wait another week, the game mechanics are completely fine. Don`t blame anyone. For alle Commanders who like this, have fun and thanks for fighting. Cést la vie, I´am playing other games so far.
I did some PvP in Open with wingmates last night. Having the opposition being mostly Delaine pledges helped to keep rebuy costs down due to my Power bonuses. It was fun despite the fact that I'm rubbish at PvP, but in terms of actually helping to lift the Lockdown I don't think it's the most effective method.
It wouldn't be ignored. The deadline would be extended precisely because of the BGS events, not somehow regardless of it, "ignoring" it, or to undermine it.
Even if it was caused by some players trying to "sabotage" the CG in a small way, it's a good solution because it acknowledges the validity of their actions: They are completely within the rules of the game, the rules of the background simulation, so their actions, even if the intent is to disrupt a community goal, are completely valid and within the mechanics of the game, so they won't be undone by divine command, but will have to be undone by the players themselves. If the lockdown is caused fully under the rules of the game, it will have to be lifted fully under those same rules. This is good gameplay and good management of the game.
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You can. Concourse may just be disabled because of the lockdown as well, or this one doesn’t have it (not sure again because I have a vague but unreliable memory of walking onto an outpost in a lockdown system but might’ve been owned by another faction than controlling).
I certainly went out for a walk on a (dockable) megaship in the Coalsack nebula some four-ish months ago.
Disembarking was always disabled at least on this megaship, even well before the lockdown.
This one never had a concourse. Shame because all those commanders waiting for the lockdown to end so they can hand in their UC data could at least have a drink at the bar and stare out the window
Well, some megaships do. Just not that particular one then I guess.
You can't get out of your ship when docked at Stronghold Carriers either. Hopefully we will be able to do that in a future update.
Technically, true.
In practice, false
The BGS creates effects on the universe, and those effects are caused by players. Not good effects, not bad effects. Just effects, both good and bad.
In this instance, an effect created by players through the BGS (and let's be realistic, it's also CG participants that caused this... there are no "innocent" parties when it comes to BGS effects), being a Lockdown affecting the final days of the CG, is being mitigated or minimised by FD (non players in this context) through the extension of the CG. In other words, "we don't like this, so we're changing things". That's functionally ignoring it.
So a CG is impacted. So what? Like i said before, is this open slather to undo everything CGs affect or can be affected by? Are we returning the system to the original faction once we're done? What if by next Tuesday, the Lockdown is still in place?
I want to participate in actually trying to sustain the Lockdown... but frankly, i don't trust FD to not just wade in and change things anyway... set an alternate hand in point or just godhand out, wasting that time and effort... that lack of trust being sowed through a decade of this flavour of rug-pulling.
The BGS creates negative and positive effects on the universe. It's high time players realise this, and that they won't always be protected from it... and it's also time for FD to realise losing should not go unrewarded.
Funnily enough, players who actively seek out disruption of this flavour, are the ones who've suffered it the most through this kind of goalpost shifting.
But it's FDev who create the community goals, not the BGS. Thus, if the BGS has some kind of significant impact on the community goal that warrants intervention, it only makes sense that FDev, who created the CG, also modify it accordingly in response to the situation, while still respecting the impact of the BGS rather than trying to nullify, manipulate or erase it.
It's even less objectionable when there's a hugely plausible in-universe explanation for the deadline change: In the in-universe lore, the organization that created the event is giving commanders more time because of the unexpected events happening. This is in no way, shape or form unrealistic from an in-universe point of view. Doesn't even matter who at the meta level caused this deadline extension to happen, it's still very realistic and credible.
It's also FD who say that CGs may be affected by state changes.
So I guess that's a lie.
It's also the key part here. If it's players undoing players actions in either direction using the mechanics as presented, fine. When it's FD, and they're inconsistent about how they do it, that's not good at all.
Like I said, it's more tolerable, but it's still ignoring an outcome of the BGS, which is what it exists to create.
There's also plenty of in-universe reasons why it should terminate right now. There's been a system wide war and subsequent security lockdown going on. Is an exploration megaship really going to sit in the middle of this and go "Hey bru, give me exploration reports!"... of course not. They're going to get the hell out of dodge.
If players aren't meant to have these effects, then they should be removed. Let's get rid of lockdown, civil unrest, all negative statuses. It's obvious these effects and the players who pursue them don't matter at all when these decisions are made because some players who failed to plan for a things going wrong, suffer the consequences of that.
Again, how am I supposed to play the game now knowing that FD might just undo everything on a whim?
EDIT: Towards that end, I might log in now and work to tank security... but next tick, there's just enough security gain to lift the lockdown. Was that FD? Was that players? I'll never known, because trust is broken.
Tricky.
Now if you were more unaware of how things like the BGS worked, and can be manipulated, it would be much easier to assign such god handing to such game mechanics and carry on enjoying yourself.
The forums do of course make it harder to ignore what happens behind the curtain.
Yep... at the core of this is a design failure by FD. I don't care whether people like the impact the Lockdown is having on the CG... I care that it's an option that's essentially being very blatantly mitigated/functionally undone by FD.
I see plenty of complaints when FD go "Oh, the Thargoids are being beaten too easily, let's make them inexplicably tougher"... this is no different.
its not because you don't agree with reality that reality has to change in order to accomodate your narrow view of things
its not a "lie" that players can have an impact ... there was the lockdown, players can submit reports and the CG was altered. Thats an "impact". it never says that players will be all powerfull and the entire universe will bo down to the actions of a few to flatter their personal ego (which seems to be your point of view). And surprisingly that is ... not true.
Also, the fdevs did not "undo everything on a whim" they did like any decent MJ would do. react and adapt to a situation by driving the narrative towards a plausible and likely directions that gives power to the players to resolve.
THEY did not remove the lockdown, but left PLAYERS agency to decide what would happen with the lockdown. you seem so angry and ed off because PLAYERS are undoing the action of other PLAYERS. You want to take back control of the system and prevent explorers to retake it for the corpo? Convince PLAYERS to side with you instead of whining because there are more (again) PLAYERS fighting against the lockdown than for it.
Honestly your whole argument seems just emotional and does not hold much under scrutiny
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