Hot takes for planet zoo

My spicy take:

Widespread demand for squirrels and large rats with fewer than 100 holdings are my dog whistle signaling when a region has more than adequate representation.

I wouldn't mind one or two, by the way, but I think that if they're considered the region's most interesting offering, everything important has probably been added already.
 
My hot takes:

  • Tree kangaroos are the most overrated animals of the most requested ones that are still not in the game.
  • To get a SA small-medium size jungle cat is important.
  • Squirrel monkeys would be the most useful of the NWM species and more important to get than tamarins, howlers or spider monkeys.
  • The rhea is probably one of the more important and essential SA animals that is still not ingame.
  • The southamerican tapir is as important as the bison for NA or the wisent for EU, for good SA rep and the Baird's tapir does not work as a stand in for it.
  • Not getting the spectacled bear would have been absolutly fine and it was never "essential"
  • Baboons are creepy and i don't get the appeal (and also Hamadryas baboon from ZKs pack looks bad)
  • Barnyard is a better pack that ZK's, and Arid is better than both of them.
  • We still need more african antelopes (greater kudu, eland, impala, gerenuk)
  • Getting another deer is not that important, specially not a NA one, despite how cool elks are. Muntjacs are probably the most important kind of deer to get at this point.
 
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Frontier seems to be satisfied with PC2 performance so I dont think this would be end of the world for them.
Investors disagree with that. They reduced their incomes expectations for PC2 and hope for previous games and JWE3 to work more. So if Frontier is happy with that it's more delusional than what you could imagine.
  • Albino / other colourmorph animals should be treated like a punishment in the game's logic, even if they are cool and rare (well, outside of Franchise mode). If the focus is on conservation, you now have an animal that cannot be released to the wild. Good job. Saying that, Frontier need to find the fun and let us have more control in Sandbox mode and let us pick perfect or imperfect or colourmorphed animals from the market without having to purchase 5 million animals to get what we want.
  • After PC2, I feel certain a PZ2 would end up an inferior game to the first and y'all should stop asking for it. We'll definitely be losing Steam Workshop support with the sequel so, enjoy it while it lasts in PZ1.
  • If animals have inter-species enrichment when housed together, they should have at least a couple of interactions/ animations. Even if it's simply just an animal making a gesture to another species to communicate 'get away from me' etc.
Couldn't agree more with this post.
 
  • Albino / other colourmorph animals should be treated like a punishment in the game's logic, even if they are cool and rare (well, outside of Franchise mode). If the focus is on conservation, you now have an animal that cannot be released to the wild. Good job. Saying that, Frontier need to find the fun and let us have more control in Sandbox mode and let us pick perfect or imperfect or colourmorphed animals from the market without having to purchase 5 million animals to get what we want.
Aside from not being able to release colormorphs into the wild, what else would you recommend for punishment? Colormorphs are generally more popular than regular animals, so an enclosure with a colormorph should be more popular with guests...not sure how to balance out a punishment.
Also, not all colormorphs are negative and would prevent release into the wild. Such as the black color for wolves.
 
Oh boy. I have a lot.

1. We need more canids in Planet Zoo. The Bush Dog would be a good one because there's only one South American canid right now. But I'd also really love a coyote or jackal or any of the South American "foxes" but especially the culpeo.
2.We need to finish out the bears with the American Black Bear.
3.I want a species of civet in the game even though they're not a well-known family.
4.I don't want any primates other than marmosets, tamarins, slow loris, or more lemurs because I find more human-looking primates like apes and/or large monkeys creepy/too uncanny. Howler monkeys are super creepy to me. I would also much prefer a tamarin or marmoset to a squirrel monkey.
5.I wish the South America pack came with a Coati instead of a Capuchin monkey.
6.I would prefer fish and aquatic animals to come before birds. I would love to have an Electric eel, African lungfish, any species of Bichir and the closely related Reedfish/ropefish, Pacific hagfish, Sea lamprey, Japanese and/or Chinese Giant Salamanders, Hellbender, Alligator Snapping turtle,etc. in aquatic exhibits.
7. I don't like the scenery packs. I miss having an exhibit animal. Zookeepers and Barnyard didn't even really have any useful scenery to me.
8.I want them to bring back Walk-through exhibits with more species of bat, some moth species like the cute fuzzy/ furry ones, giant and/or normal sized flying squirrel species, and/or flying possum/glider species.
9.If we get birds, I support them being in the WTE and having ones with macaws and parakeets.
10.The chickens in barnyard should've been a WTE animal, so there would have been room for another mammal like a domestic horse or a domestic rabbit.
11.I want an Extinct Animals pack with thylacine and Falkland Islands fox/wolf/warrah. A prehistoric mammals pack would be fun too, but the recently extinct animals pack I want more.
12.I want animals that aren't found in zoos in real-life such as Ethiopian wolves to be in the game because I don't care about realism. I want to be able to create my dream zoo in the game with all my favorite animals.
13.I want dolphins, orcas, whales, and other fully marine mammals like manatees, etc. in the game.
14. There should be an option in Sandbox mode to make every animal in the game a walk-through habitat species regardless of danger level.
15.I want to mix any species in the game together without worrying about them fighting, killing, or eating each other even if they would in real-life.
16. I think there should be some animals from Antarctica like Leopard Seals and Emperor Penguins in Planet Zoo.
17. I don't think carnivores are over-represented (except for felids maybe). I think ungulates have much more representation and would gladly trade some of the many ungulates in the game for more carnivore species.
 
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I'd be happy with more domestics even after Barnyard. Not necessarily more breeds of species we have (I'm fine using basically of them as generic stand-ins) but species we are completely missing. I'd love to see a domestic rabbit (even European rabbit with colour-morphs) or some kind of "farm waterfowl" be that a mallard with colour-morphs, a Muscovy duck or a type of goose. Then beyond that, the omission of a pony feels a bit strange but not super "needed" and I'd even like to see a ferret. There's also animals which aren't really domestic but can stand in like the waterfowl I mentioned but also a turkey or guineafowl.

Basically, theres still more Frontier could explore and I don't think Barnyard needs to be the end of it.
 
I'd be happy with more domestics even after Barnyard. Not necessarily more breeds of species we have (I'm fine using basically of them as generic stand-ins) but species we are completely missing. I'd love to see a domestic rabbit (even European rabbit with colour-morphs) or some kind of "farm waterfowl" be that a mallard with colour-morphs, a Muscovy duck or a type of goose. Then beyond that, the omission of a pony feels a bit strange but not super "needed" and I'd even like to see a ferret. There's also animals which aren't really domestic but can stand in like the waterfowl I mentioned but also a turkey or guineafowl.

Basically, theres still more Frontier could explore and I don't think Barnyard needs to be the end of it.
Yeah same. Barnyard didnt really deliver on what i wanted out of a petting zoo packs so there are still some i want.
Dwarf goat, rabbit, turkey and ducks are all animals id really like to get, shetland pony and potbellied pig would also be nice. And if they could sneak the guineafowl in there that would be awesome aswell.
I think the chance of getting another domestics pack are pretty much zero, but i really hope they sprinkle in another one or two in here or there depending on how many more packs there are.
 
Just because a species is “filler” does not mean it is not essential or important (even if it’s moreso a group that’s essential rather than a particular species), those are not mutually exclusive. I feel like people have been using the term lately to brush off animals as unimportant or uninteresting, but filler species are just as important as star animals, make up the bulk of zoo collections, and are among the most common zoo animals as a whole, it’s very difficult to build a realistic park without a diverse selection of them. Imagine if we only had giraffes and zebra for our African hoofstock sections, but small-medium antelope were left out because they were “boring filler”, or if we had nothing for our reptile houses beyond crocodilians, komodos, and giant tortoises. That's what the game's bird roster feels like.

The musk ox is not essential in the slightest and might be the most overrated community favorite there is. It’s a very cool animal and I can see why people want it, but calling it essential is a massive stretch.

Going off of that, neither are the secretary bird or shoebill (I’d love both, don’t get me wrong, but with how few birds we get they just aren’t a priority), and that's coming from someone who adores shoebills irl (they're so stinking cute). The helmeted guineafowl, grey crowned crane, ground hornbill, great white pelican, and an African waterfowl species are all birds from Africa alone that I'd find more useful than them even if I wouldn't consider all of them essentials.

As someone who builds lots of NA zoos… I can live without the ABB. Don’t get me wrong, I’d still like it - it’s an insanely common animal and one of my favorite bear species - but my zoos don’t really feel like they’re missing much without it. We have plenty of star animals for the region to choose from already and my zoos feel far more empty without any bird to sprinkle into my native wildlife sections. I’d rather have us get at least two picks between a landfowl, waterfowl, and wader before any mammal for the region. We also don’t need another deer species for that matter.

The rhea was more essential than the spectacled bear and it’s not even close.

If animal packs keep going the way they are, then I kind of miss scenery packs as our last two were far better than any of the recent animal packs, (though Barnyard has grown on me quite a bit even if its breed choices were lackluster). I’d love Frontier to prove me wrong and give us another pack on the level of Grasslands, Wetlands, or NA though (please…)

Even as someone who doesn’t build in Europe, the region is prime for widespread, temperate bird species and it’s a crime that all we have is the mute swan (and it took us a while to even get that). I’d hope for a white stork (364 holdings in the EU alone btw lol, that's a whole lotta bird) at least one other waterfowl species, and of course the pelican.

The only essential ungulates left beyond the blackbuck and muntjac (or other similar species that fill the same niche) are all domestics. Sorry, but I think a kunekune, dwarf goat, ankole-watusi, etc. are far more valuable additions to the roster than more African antelope, another camelid, or another medium-large deer species. If Frontier continues to sprinkle random ungulates into packs, I’d rather they slowly expand upon the lacking domestic roster than continue to build upon groups/regions that are already rich with them. There are some other wild ones that could be decent additions (mostly from South America and Asia), but I wouldn’t go as far to call them essential.
 
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I will join several others regarding the new DLC format. I appreciate that Frontier clearly listened to the community that was asking for a combo of animal/scenery pack. But I think the 7 habitat animals leaves too little for scenery. I get the feeling they don't think they have enough space to make actual build themes so they just put a bunch of "odds and ends". I think going to 6+1 would give the DLC enough space to make an actual build theme with a few extra filler pieces and foliage.
It would also provide a coherent theme for the pack that we could wrap our head around...something which Zookeepers badly needed, and I feel future DLCs will also suffer from.
 
I don't think carnivores are over-represented (except for felids maybe). I think ungulates have much more representation and would gladly trade some of the many ungulates in the game for more carnivore species.
I agree, animals like coati, civets, Ocelot, Bush Dog, Racoon Dog, etc would be great for the game, and ANYTHING is better than siaga or (our current) bactrian camel.
 
My hot take is that I'd rather see Frontier just end support and not make a sequel so a zoo game that captures more of the classic Zoo Tycoon magic can rise from the drought. If Planet Zoo is a spiritual successor, it's a very poor one IMO. I never feel attached to any of my zoos because time moves way too fast and there's just far too much menu--surfing and less direct involvement. It feels more like playing World of Warcraft than Zoo Tycoon at times, and that's not a good comparison.

All of the animal animations being canned and non-dynamic makes them feel more like actors than wildlife. A lot of the game just feels so stale and scripted to me.
 
My hot takes:

  • Tree kangaroos are the most overrated animals of the most requested ones that are still not in the game.
  • To get a SA small-medium size jungle cat is important.
  • Squirrel monkeys would be the most useful of the NWM species and more important to get than tamarins, howlers or spider monkeys.
  • The rhea is probably one of the more important and essential SA animals that is still not ingame.
  • The southamerican tapir is as important as the bison for NA or the wisent for EU, for good SA rep and the Baird's tapir does not work as a stand in for it.
  • Not getting the spectacled bear would have been absolutly fine and it was never "essential"
  • Baboons are creepy and i don't get the appeal (and also Hamadryas baboon from ZKs pack looks bad)
  • Barnyard is a better pack that ZK's, and Arid is better than both of them.
  • We still need more african antelopes (greater kudu, eland, impala, gerenuk)
  • Getting another deer is not that important, specially not a NA one, despite how cool elks are. Muntjacs are probably the most important kind of deer to get at this point.
  • Considering that my biggest reason for wanting it is visual appeal, I can see why some would feel that way. Logically, the coati is way better, but the heart wants what it wants, lol. Cute and unique stuff sells, so I think they'd both be great picks from a business perspective. As an animal nerd, a few more marsupials would be great even though I don't need them when building realistic zoos, which I don't always do anyway.
  • Agree. I'd still put the coati, monkeys (at least one mini), birds, and at least one for Patagonia first, but a small/med. cat is pretty important.
  • I'm hurting more for coatis, monkeys, and wetlands birds in most of my zoos, but it's sad that Patagonia has next to nothing right now. I hope your rhea and mara both make it, and I'd definitely use them sometimes.
  • Good to know. As an outsider, I personally don't need but wouldn't hate the South American tapir. I want other stuff first, but I can add it to my short list of relevant remaining 'big star' ungulates (kudu (or eland?), wapiti, gaur, Watusi cattle, and Brazilian tapir)
  • Don't really agree on that one; I genuinely want all of the bears. I don't mind subbing filler species too much, but the big stars don't work the same way for me.
  • Agree, but they're an ABC-animal even if they have low visual appeal. They can have good group sizes and can be bright stars in zoos where they are present. It was less that I wanted them and more that it would have been weird not to have them. They do require a different habitat than anything else, which is nice. Persoanlly, I would have preferred South American monkeys and a guereza.
  • Somewhat agree subjectively, but when I try to rank them objectively, I usually do the reverse. ZK and BY are about tied for me either way.
  • Not a need for me, but they'd be nice. The Greater Kudu is my favorite antelope.
  • Muntjacs are awesome. I also don't need any other deer too much, but at least one more for Asia, at least one for South America, and at least one for North America (though I want and would extensively use both) would still be nice if support goes on long enough to justify them.
 
Oh boy. I have a lot.

1. We need more canids in Planet Zoo. The Bush Dog would be a good one because there's only one South American canid right now. But I'd also really love a coyote or jackal or any of the South American "foxes" but especially the culpeo.
2.We need to finish out the bears with the American Black Bear.
3.I want a species of civet in the game even though they're not a well-known family.
4.I don't want any primates other than marmosets, tamarins, slow loris, or more lemurs because I find more human-looking primates like apes and/or large monkeys creepy/too uncanny. Howler monkeys are super creepy to me. I would also much prefer a tamarin or marmoset to a squirrel monkey.
5.I wish the South America pack came with a Coati instead of a Capuchin monkey.
6.I would prefer fish and aquatic animals to come before birds. I would love to have an Electric eel, African lungfish, any species of Bichir and the closely related Reedfish/ropefish, Pacific hagfish, Sea lamprey, Japanese and/or Chinese Giant Salamanders, Hellbender, Alligator Snapping turtle,etc. in aquatic exhibits.
7. I don't like the scenery packs. I miss having an exhibit animal. Zookeepers and Barnyard didn't even really have any useful scenery to me.
8.I want them to bring back Walk-through exhibits with more species of bat, some moth species like the cute fuzzy/ furry ones, giant and/or normal sized flying squirrel species, and/or flying possum/glider species.
9.If we get birds, I support them being in the WTE and having ones with macaws and parakeets.
10.The chickens in barnyard should've been a WTE animal, so there would have been room for another mammal like a domestic horse or a domestic rabbit.
11.I want an Extinct Animals pack with thylacine and Falkland Islands fox/wolf/warrah. A prehistoric mammals pack would be fun too, but the recently extinct animals pack I want more.
12.I want animals that aren't found in zoos in real-life such as Ethiopian wolves to be in the game because I don't care about realism. I want to be able to create my dream zoo in the game with all my favorite animals.
13.I want dolphins, orcas, whales, and other fully marine mammals like manatees, etc. in the game.
14. There should be an option in Sandbox mode to make every animal in the game a walk-through habitat species regardless of danger level.
15.I want to mix any species in the game together without worrying about them fighting, killing, or eating each other even if they would in real-life.
16. I think there should be some animals from Antarctica like Leopard Seals and Emperor Penguins in Planet Zoo.
17. I don't think carnivores are over-represented (except for felids maybe). I think ungulates have much more representation and would gladly trade some of the many ungulates in the game for more carnivore species.
  1. Need is a stretch, but we're about due for another dog. There are a few I'd like if support justifies them, especially a true jackal, raccoon dog, bush dog, grey fox, bat-eared fox, and maybe a coyote. Culpeos are cool, but I have a feeling I'm going to need mods for them.
  2. Yes, please!
  3. They'd be nice, but I want the 'expensive' animal slots to go to other things for the moment. If support goes on long enough, I will definitely circle back.
  4. Tamarins and squirrel monkeys are also favorites of mine, but I still need the howler, spider, and guereza monkey for realistic builds.
  5. Disagree, SA monkeys are basic.
  6. Um, no
  7. I like the extra animals; barnyard was useful but zookeepers was less so. I might trade the ZK stuff for a chameleon.
  8. Birds, please
  9. Yep
  10. I can see it, but free-ranging chickens are fun and realistic
  11. The ice age campaign with the rhino, mammoth, short-faced bear, and saber-toothed cat was my favorite in ZT2. I would buy it, but there are still extant animals I would prioritize. For somewhat recently extinct, dodo, thylacine, warrah, elephant bird, and quagga come to mind. Good times.
  12. A few are nice, but I'd start with the highly requested ones.
  13. Not sure how cetaceans would work, but marine mania was fun. I can picture manatees and some freshwater fish working a bit better.
  14. I'd support it
  15. use mods, but a sandbox option might work? I'd worry about the game crashing if you put too many down
  16. maybe
  17. Carnivores, especially cats, tend to be my favorites. Mid sized cats need at least 2 more, bears need 1, dogs are fine for me but could use more, coatis are pretty useful, and there are even more critters I'd love if support goes on long enough. Considering how important they are in zoos and their prevalence in media, I don't think they're badly overrepresented. We're approaching the end of the additions I'd use frequently, but extra variety picks would be nice.
 
I believe these are both already possible with sandbox toggles
15 might be. I think I do remember seeing an option to disable all animal deaths and injuries in Sandbox mode which might solve that problem.
However, I don't think 14 is. Even in Sandbox mode, the rules for making a walkthrough habitat are "Needs a guest gate, needs a hand sanitation station, and no dangerous animals present in habitat". I have made fake walk-through habitats by putting elevated paths that flattened out into habitats and then using null barrier fences around both sides of the flattened path to make it look like guests are walking through the habitat, but that's a lot more work than just simply putting a guest gate onto the habitat.
 
My hot take is that I'd rather see Frontier just end support and not make a sequel so a zoo game that captures more of the classic Zoo Tycoon magic can rise from the drought. If Planet Zoo is a spiritual successor, it's a very poor one IMO. I never feel attached to any of my zoos because time moves way too fast and there's just far too much menu--surfing and less direct involvement. It feels more like playing World of Warcraft than Zoo Tycoon at times, and that's not a good comparison.

All of the animal animations being canned and non-dynamic makes them feel more like actors than wildlife. A lot of the game just feels so stale and scripted to me.
Assuming a PZ2 doesn't feature significant upgrades to gameplay features, which I view as the main reason for the lack of "feel", then I would tend to agree.
PZ too often feels more like an amusement park that has animals in it and I'm managing "the bottom line" rather than me being a passionate caretaker for a zoo full of animals.
 
Isnt that not only for the animal experience thingys or whatever they are called? The ones where guests walk around freely and pet the animals and stuff?
I think the normal ones where guest just stay on the path should work
Yep, works just fine in sandbox

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