COMPLETED CG Brewer Corporation Planetary Survey Initiative (Exploration)

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If you can count to about twenty five (IIRC) its easy to avoid ATR in low sec.
I just count to "Cool radio chatter announcing a lockdown" :D
May I ask what is "ATR"? I like the idea of moving the megaship.
Advanced Tactical Response. The cops that arrive once you've killed the cops. They have unique weapons that directly damage your shield generator instantly, and other weapons that players can't obtain. They can be destroyed, but it's very difficult. Basically the GTA 5-Star response (or 6-Star, depending on which GTA ;) )

EDIT: Here's a clip of them dropping in... you can tell the pilot needs to get out of dodge fast.
 
According to the BGS 2024 guide, infrastructure failure could be caused by too many wars in a short period of time.
That seems unlikely - both in the general sense, that it's really quite tricky to have a lot of wars on any individual faction in a short time because the wars themselves last quite a while, and in the specific sense that there's only been one recently in this system for the affected faction, and the IF itself didn't start for several days after that. (Other than Outbreak, none of these states have any pending time - they start immediately their conditions, whatever those are, get met)

In terms of what I've observed in general:
"Generally positive actions" => Pirate Attack or Public Holiday (higher levels of bounty hunting seem to give PH, higher trade gives PA, but it's not a definite rule)
"Biowaste transport missions / losing a war / occasionally even winning a war" => "Outbreak"
"Generally negative actions" => Terrorism, Drought, Blight, Infrastructure Failure (exactly which you get seems very difficult to predict in advance and two factions in this system have ended up in different ones; it may be to do with the type of NPC vessels destroyed but good luck testing or controlling that)
"?????!" => Natural Disaster (it appears in the same sort of circumstances as the others - i.e. it requires a fair level of player traffic to set off - but much more rarely. It may be that its causes overlap with those of many of the other states, and those tend to trigger first)
"Contagion from Infrastructure Failure" => more Infrastructure Failure
"Contagion from Natural Disaster" => Drought or Infrastructure Failure

The causes of Outbreak and Pirate Attack, and the contagion effects, have been partly released in official Frontier documentation/videos. Everything else is guesswork.
 
I don’t know if the nature of an exploration cg is different (with players who've been out for a significant number of days returning with large one-off dumps of data as opposed to the steady progression of other cg's) but prior to the lockdown I got knocked out of the top 25% twice! Admittedly each time I was only within 100 of the bottom end of the top 25% range but, should the lockdown lift, I would not be at all surprised to get knocked out a 3rd time.
I'm not so sure about that, but even if it were to happen, would it really be a catastrophe? It would be different if the top 25% were to get something that the lower tiers don't get, but rather obviously that's not the case here. (And I doubt anybody needs those credits that badly. That amount of credits can be quite quickly gained from almost anything.)
 
That seems unlikely - both in the general sense, that it's really quite tricky to have a lot of wars on any individual faction in a short time because the wars themselves last quite a while, and in the specific sense that there's only been one recently in this system for the affected faction, and the IF itself didn't start for several days after that. (Other than Outbreak, none of these states have any pending time - they start immediately their conditions, whatever those are, get met)

In terms of what I've observed in general:
"Generally positive actions" => Pirate Attack or Public Holiday (higher levels of bounty hunting seem to give PH, higher trade gives PA, but it's not a definite rule)
"Biowaste transport missions / losing a war / occasionally even winning a war" => "Outbreak"
"Generally negative actions" => Terrorism, Drought, Blight, Infrastructure Failure (exactly which you get seems very difficult to predict in advance and two factions in this system have ended up in different ones; it may be to do with the type of NPC vessels destroyed but good luck testing or controlling that)
"?????!" => Natural Disaster (it appears in the same sort of circumstances as the others - i.e. it requires a fair level of player traffic to set off - but much more rarely. It may be that its causes overlap with those of many of the other states, and those tend to trigger first)
"Contagion from Infrastructure Failure" => more Infrastructure Failure
"Contagion from Natural Disaster" => Drought or Infrastructure Failure

The causes of Outbreak and Pirate Attack, and the contagion effects, have been partly released in official Frontier documentation/videos. Everything else is guesswork.
I always thought they were more RNG based, and a response to how settled the BGS can get by introducing 'bad' things.
 
I always thought they were more RNG based, and a response to how settled the BGS can get by introducing 'bad' things.
If no one can tell how things happen, it might as well be random. (Or easy to write off as such.) It probably suits Frontier over giving further windows into the BGS magic box. I’ve questioned in the past when I saw terrorist attack states pop up in systems that I wasn’t seeing any (obvious) negative action in, certainly.

… given how far into the red the lockdown bar is I don’t expect it to clear up by tomorrow. And if there is another CG extension - though perhaps six(?) days was enough - I’d suspect it to be for Thursday. Since, seemingly, the intention here was for it to end before the update dropped.
 
I always thought they were more RNG based, and a response to how settled the BGS can get by introducing 'bad' things.
It's possible, but it's still based on player activity as a requisite (afaik). That is, a system left idle won't have any of the so-called "random" states occur. It's entirely plausible that a state may literally just be triggered by "every time a player enters the system, X% chance of that state occurring" for sure, but that's still a player-dependent action.

If no one can tell how things happen, it might as well be random.
Yeah this one.

The fact that systems with no activity don't experience these states is the only thing with certainty I've seen put out there (citation required)

But beyond that, there's little to no evidence of what actually causes them. You'd think something like "Natural Disaster" would be entirely random, but maybe it's a natural disaster, triggered by rampant industrial development (industrial cargo deliveries).... or it's still just random when a player does anything in that system.
 
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Yes - and that can also be an "unsettling" mechanism for the BGS. A system with nothing happening doesn't get the Investment+Civil Liberty pinning that at least the early 3.3 balancing tended to generate, so it doesn't need event states to tip that up by putting in massive downward economy or security pressures (and later rebalances of the sliders themselves have been rather more effective at breaking up that pinning - though not at generating negative positions - than the event states were anyway).

The distinction between "actually random" and "essentially random because you can't control for the actions of ten thousand other players" is pretty small, but it would be odd for Pirate Attack and Outbreak to have published (and seemingly accurate!) causes, but the others to be entirely random.
 
I'm not so sure about that, but even if it were to happen, would it really be a catastrophe? It would be different if the top 25% were to get something that the lower tiers don't get, but rather obviously that's not the case here. (And I doubt anybody needs those credits that badly. That amount of credits can be quite quickly gained from almost anything.)
Not a catastrophe at all ... but you know how it is, once you get an idea in your head you can fight for it way beyond all reasonable debate over the actual practical value of it! :LOL:
 
Your participation is counted when you sign up for the CG.
They stopped counting people who only signed up to CGs but didn’t contribute anything about as many years ago as they added the ability to sign up at any station with a mission board.

But fine, some may have dropped a planet or two in, but then took off to bring a bunch more data and now they can't turn it in. Plus, any new player after 11 Feb has not been able to contribute any at all.
True, myself I was extremely worried that I had left things too late when it took me a week to arrive and hand stuff in.

Quote from Frontier themselves:

A rogue group of Commanders have driven Brewer Logistics in HIP 90578 into lockdown, in an attempt to sabotage the latest initiative!
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Commanders are called on to bounty hunt within the system to break the lockdown and allow the initiative to coninue!
Never doubted it was players causing it, it is a BGS change and only players cause them just doubtful if those players saw or interacted with any others in any significant way.

Not to me. Godhanding would be to clear the state, period. Fixing available tools in the game, like ATR, to clear the source of the issue, and eventually let BGS clear the state is less than godhanding it, IMHO. But again, fine, just move the megaship elsewhere like any sensible ship captain would do if they're under attack.


Right, it's not a matter of just turning in carto data anywhere, it's turning it in to the CG so you get the better rewards and participate in the goal of the community.


Worth repeating, only one station can accept cartographic data to be counted towards the CG.
 
Unless there was some massive hoarding of bounties going on or just a really large uptick of Sunday to Monday activity, certainly… but I don’t expect Frontier to comment much on it.

Anyway, looks like the fun time is over then. “Move along folks, nothing to see here any longer”
 
Hmmm, they completely jumped over Civil Unrest? How curious.

Oh, Frontier. How do you manage to bait me into getting my hopes up every single time that this time will be different...
 
Hmmm, they completely jumped over Civil Unrest? How curious.

Oh, Frontier. How do you manage to bait me into getting my hopes up every single time that this time will be different...
Imma just quote myself at the start...

I want to participate in actually trying to sustain the Lockdown... but frankly, i don't trust FD to not just wade in and change things anyway... set an alternate hand in point or just godhand out, wasting that time and effort... that lack of trust being sowed through a decade of this flavour of rug-pulling.

Guess we'll see what Galnet says.
 
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