They usually mess up the cats models yeah... But by better treatment they mean that they got more species (and even subspecies).Which is ironic because I've only heard people complain about the cat models Frontier makes
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To be fair, there's also just more species of cats than dogs (not by much, granted). I don't think it's unrealistic to have more of a more speciose family.
It's also why I don't get when people say we have "too many" antelope when they have over 140 species.
It's also why I don't get when people say we have "too many" antelope when they have over 140 species.
Too many antelopes in relation to other animals. Like there are 250+ species of monkey, so they should atleast be as well represented as antelope, if not better even
In a vacuum I guess there would be no such thing as "too much", but at the end of the day we aren't getting even a little bit of every animal in the world, not everything can make it in.
I can't speak for everyone, but it's more of a case of priorities for me. In the grand scheme of the game's roster, cats, dogs, and antelope are all very, very well off, and there would be plenty of instances where I would have preferred a different group to get a spot in the roster over them. Maybe we don't have "too much" of them as groups compared to their diversity, but we do have too much of them taking up valuable, limited space in the roster if that makes sense.
Even if I do want say, a blackbuck or nilgai (though that's about it), I'd be totally fine if we never got another cat, dog, or antelope again if it meant all the different families of birds, reptiles, primates, etc. that are far more underrepresented compared to their real-life diversity, both in zoos and in the wild, could get even somewhat decent rep.
That's just me though. If you want more antelope then to each their own, but I'm still waiting on so many basic birds and primates to the point where it's a bit frustrating to see extra species piled onto already rich groups when I'm still waiting for so many basics (especially when again, said groups are even more diverse).
There is still decent demand for Asian antelope, mostly the blackbuck.
For African antelope, many look somewhat similar to each other and have the same biome tags, which makes subbing them very easy. Also, only a limited number of them are common in zoos. Eventually, I think a kudu, eland, gerenuk, hartebeest, and perhaps impala would be ok. Many of the recent additions on this front and some base game animals were not popular or requested. To add them, they passed over underrepresented groups, especially birds and monkeys, which still have gaps that can't be addressed with substitutions.
I think there are more high profile cats than dogs. A lot of cat species are very distinctive from one another be it in looks, biome, behaviour, etc. and also more famous or high profile members in the cat group than in the dog one.
- We have never had too many crocodilians in game
- The spectacled caiman was one of the best picks in wetlands
- We don't need any more cats in the game
- The dama gazelle was the second best pick in arid
- The dik-dik was the best pick in zookeepers
- Not all ungulates are bad although we have enough swine and caprines, more deer would be great
- Although we have too many medium sized African antelope more small or large African antelopes could still be valuable editions
- Outside of mustelids, coati and bush dog we don't need any other carnivores
- At this point any pack not containing either a monkey or a bird is an instant disappointment
- We could get many pheasants, cranes and waterfowl before the groups start becoming stale
- Seriema > secretary bird
- Smaller filler mammals make up the majority of the good mammal picks, I would love a bunch more rodents
I really dislike how frequent they are. They should exist, but most of them should be super rare. Like you actually might want to save up and spend that 10000 ccs when one comes on the trade market, and make a special feature of it. There could be some realistic exceptions, like melanistic jaguars and piebald ponies (if we had ponies), but I do not want albino everything all the time.
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% agree
I think Community Challenges would be a lot more fun if they ended up being something different from "Everyone turn X animal group into a puppy mill for the next 5 days".
Bears have been treated even better! Yet, no one is against the American Black Bear... No one is against a fourth penguin or another crocodilian...
Why are people so against a new dog?
It really depends on which dog they end up adding. Bush dogs and tanukis would be neat, coyotes and red wolves would be kinda terrible choices
Id say black bear, another penguin or croc are all also rather polarizing picks.
Maybe the ABB and penguin, but I don't see that much backlash against having more crocodilians. Especially true crocodiles like the Nile and Cuban species.
I wouldn't say I'm against one, I just think they aren't a priority. I wouldn't be upset at all by a bush dog or raccoon dog for instance - hell I'd probably even be excited depending on what else is in the pack - but I also don't think they add all that much to the game at this point and prioritizing them would feel a little tone-deaf when there are so many actual issues with the roster. I have pretty much the same thoughts on another bear (I'd have preferred we didn't "complete" the bears if anything, but it's pretty much inevitable at this point) so it's a bit of a pointless comparison for me.
Crocodilians and penguins are a weird case for me but I don't think either are quite as (though are still arguably) comparable as both groups have only gotten the bare minimum for essentials (aside from getting two caimans and lacking an African croc) and have appeared significantly less in DLCs, canids and bears have gotten that and then some.
I can see why others are against more of them though. I personally wouldn't want another penguin but that's not because I think another would be a bad addition (I've never seen king penguins not mixed with another species, I understand it does happen, but it still seems very rare), but because with how few birds we get I wouldn't want one to be a fourth penguin. I love crocodilians, but I'd be fine using mods for them and can understand why others might be bummed. Even then they're kind of just a nice treat with how few habitat reptiles we get anyway - meanwhile, we get showered with carnivorans like cats, canids, and bears. Still wouldn't want another croc taking up a spot over more unique reptiles (or birds/monkeys/etc) though.
All in all, I think saying "no one" is against them is a pretty big stretch, personally I'm just indifferent to most of them (though still leaning more towards against for all four of those groups).
I don't think it's a competition either and I'm a bit sick of it being treated as such, I just want room for the groups that actually need those new additions to get a win once in a while lmao. If you aren't happy with what we have in the canid roster than that's fair enough, you're entitled to want what you want. I just think Frontier has treated fans of the family pretty damn well in the grand scheme of things and acting like they've somehow been neglected is silly (again, speaking as a huge canid fan myself), we just got lucky early on.
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I like dogs and would be personally excited to see one in a pack, especially if we're getting more than two packs worth of animals. I would be more excited about another dog than another penguin or croc, and I want the many dog fans out there to be happy, too. I just don't need any more. I've been waiting for my bear since launch, and I miss it deeply despite the haters.
After using them in one of my main zoos, I really like the asian water monitor
Black Bear: Why not? He's the only one not yet in game...
Penguin: Would be cool as long as its either: South American like the Magellanic OR has the unique feathers like the Rockhopper... (Rockhopper is much preferable though!)
Croc: We need one for Africa!
Dog: Bush Dog, Golden Jackal or Tanuki would all make me personally happy! I'd actually presently want the Golden Jackal the most...
Monitor: We need one for Australia!
Cat: I hope for Ocelot. Sumatran Tiger would be nice for me personally but is far from what would be a "good" pick!
Antelope: I want a bigger more cow-like one AND one from the warm weather of Asia. Nilgai meets them both.
Caprine: I hope for Serow and a desert Sheep type. I'd mostly love to see Barbary Sheep
My next opinion is: There is still more than an animal pack worth of "overrepresented" taxon to add...
...Frontier should focus on underrepresented groups, though. I'd say a balanced animal pack should have ~1 overrepresented pick and the rest be: monkeys, birds, new reptiles, rodents etc...