Building a new PC for Elite: Dangerous Odyssey (hardware discussion)

I've got a couple of niggling thoughts though...With this second 'workaround', am I compromising my computer security with the above solution?

Technically, yes. In practice, probably not. Many of these security features are only applicable in situations where you've already screwed up so badly that they aren't going to help.

Old system probably defaulted to HVCI disabled and didn't automatically enable it when updating to 11, because it would break stuff.

I have a conversation to put to anyone who knows and I would love some feedback on. I was looking to change my PC this year as it is over 4 years old now. I was considering a 5080 card. The issue I have is after detail investigations is that the 5080 is not that much faster than the 4080 series. I will obviously accept the 5090 is faster but the price is too scary for me. My current system is a 3080 liquid cooled set up that is widely acknowledged as running like an absolute animal for such a machine. While a 5080 machine will certainly be quicker, my current machine easily runs Elite at 4k and almost permanently over 100 fps ( I do not use many other games either). Should I wait for the 6 series, the new AMD offerings or just upgrade anyway? I am at an impasse you see. Currently I am intel and Nvidia but not over concerned either way. I will be spending in the plus £3000 bracket too. Not for a couple or three months yet but am curious as to thoughts.

RTX 3080
i9 10900kf 10core
3.7ghz - 5.3 ghz DDR4 3600MHz 32 gb

The VRAM capacity of the 3080 (10GiB) is rapidly becoming an issue, and Comet Lake is starting to show it's age, but if EDO is the most demanding game you're playing, you can probably get by with what you've got indefinitely. You can always spend more GPU performance (and VRAM) on better texture quality and higher render resolutions to mitigate aliasing, but if you're content with the way the game looks and runs now, there is no sense in upgrading for this game.

If you want to upgrade for some other title or just for the sake of upgrading, I'd wait until March to see how AMD's RDNA4 stacks up against NVIDIA's GB103 and GB104 parts. If you're not going for an absolute top-end GPU, you might be able to squeeze another product cycle out of the CPU/board/memory without feeling like you're losing too much.
 
If I had my Amiga I would keep it too lol.
My PC is in pretty sound order at the moment, in fact in the years I have had it is has never actually had a single issue and crashed just twice, of which one was Elites fault.
I have always generally kept a new pc for 4 - 5 years and updated it but this time I am unsure of the gains as when I bought this it really was high end. Now it is still doing all I ask and I am questioning my need.
It still is high end. Obviously, it's not 4090/5090 territory, but if it is still capable of pushing 4K 100Hz it's still a bit of a beast.
 
I have a conversation to put to anyone who knows and I would love some feedback on. I was looking to change my PC this year as it is over 4 years old now. I was considering a 5080 card. The issue I have is after detail investigations is that the 5080 is not that much faster than the 4080 series. I will obviously accept the 5090 is faster but the price is too scary for me. My current system is a 3080 liquid cooled set up that is widely acknowledged as running like an absolute animal for such a machine. While a 5080 machine will certainly be quicker, my current machine easily runs Elite at 4k and almost permanently over 100 fps ( I do not use many other games either). Should I wait for the 6 series, the new AMD offerings or just upgrade anyway? I am at an impasse you see. Currently I am intel and Nvidia but not over concerned either way. I will be spending in the plus £3000 bracket too. Not for a couple or three months yet but am curious as to thoughts.

RTX 3080
i9 10900kf 10core
3.7ghz - 5.3 ghz DDR4 3600MHz 32 gb
I would at least wait for the Amd offerings to arrive, so we at last have some competition.
I currently have a Rx6800, which serves me fine, but i am eagerly anticipating the 9070XT, if not too expensive.
Nvidia would be better at ray-tracing, but that's no issue for me, (or Elite).
 
RTX 50 series is such a in-between generations. The performance increase against the 40 series is hardly there.

Wait for DDR6 and TSMC 3 nm. Pray for an AMD gpu miracle to happen or get the RTX 60 series

 
RTX 50 series is such a in-between generations. The performance increase against the 40 series is hardly there.

Wait for DDR6 and TSMC 3 nm. Pray for an AMD gpu miracle to happen or get the RTX 60 series


Well there are claims that the 5070 super provides as much performance and the 4090, however I always skip at least 2 generations of vid card before upgrading, the jump from one generation to the next, if you are already using one of the higher end cards, is simply not worth it. I went from 2070 to 4070, my next card is likely to be the 6070.
 
Wait for DDR6 and TSMC 3 nm.

DDR6 is still a ways off for mainstream adoption.

Zen 6 will still be AM5, which mandates DDR5, but will likely be on TSMC N3E, and will be a significant uplift over Zen 5 in many significant respects.

Intel's medium-term survival is in question, but Nova Lake should launch in 2026 and also still be DDR5.

Well there are claims that the 5070 super provides as much performance and the 4090

Which are patently false in apples-to-apples comparisons. The devil is in the details and all the 5000 series claims of major performance uplifts over their predecessors, with the exception of the 5090 which uses a significantly larger part than the 4090, are dependent on MFG which is a niche feature of dubious utility (anything that really needs 4x MFG doesn't spit out real frames fast enough to have decent latency) that only the 5000 series supports.

I always skip at least 2 generations of vid card before upgrading, the jump from one generation to the next, if you are already using one of the higher end cards, is simply not worth it. I went from 2070 to 4070, my next card is likely to be the 6070.

Differences in generational uplift are far from consistent, which makes skipping generations arbitrarily a bit questionable.

The generational improvement in performance from the 3000 to 4000 series was the largest in more than decade while the 4000 to 5000 was one of the smallest. Yet, despite that tiny generational uplift (the result of keeping nearly the same manufacturing process), there was enough of a transistor count increase at the high-end to make the 4090 to 5090 transition worthwhile for some.
 
DDR6 is still a ways off for mainstream adoption.

Zen 6 will still be AM5, which mandates DDR5, but will likely be on TSMC N3E, and will be a significant uplift over Zen 5 in many significant respects.

Intel's medium-term survival is in question, but Nova Lake should launch in 2026 and also still be DDR5.
It is not like there is a 60 series announcement. Should take the usual two years at least
 
Which are patently false in apples-to-apples comparisons.

Yeah that's true, what's interesting from most of the early review sites is that they were never given raw numbers, that is numbers without DLSS and other assists activated, so there's no way to compare the raw number from a 5070 to the raw numbers from a 4090, that's why I said claims and not necessarily facts. Until some serious raw numbers come out it's just graphics card manufacturers making claims, and we trust those as much as we trust the early numbers from CPU manufacturers right?
 
Hi All :)

A question on two 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors.
I've been looking at this monitor by Thermaltake, which is I gather their first entry into the 'gaming' monitor market.
I want to upgrade my Sons / grandsons monitor for playing mostly Elite and 2 or 3 other games. (Their monitor is a smaller 1920 x 1080)


The other choice is this one, slightly more expensive, but I use this one for my own gaming of Elite, and I'm quite satisfied with it. It also had several positive customer reviews when I bought it at the time.


I can only find one sketchy review of the Thermaltake (it might be my search function in my browser?) so I'm a bit dubious in buying it, it's generally about £30 cheaper than the BenQ (which makes me wonder why) , but I'd rather see more reviews of it to come to a decision / conclusion.

If anybody can find some detailed reviews (and maybe links to those if possible) I'd be most grateful.
In the meantime, what do you think of the specifications, between the two, any comments, advice or thoughts welcome. (y)

Edit Just thought to add, at present their graphics card is an MSI Radeon RX 6750 Gaming x Trio. but their computer is more or less the same as mine. Asus Rog Strix AMD B650E-F motherboard, 1 tb m2 hd , An AMD 7800x3d cpu and 32Gb DDR5 6000 Ram.

Jack :)
 
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Hi :)

I found 2 reviews in German, both look pretty good. You should be able to translate them automatically.

Thanks for the links and your help it's appreciated! :)

Okay, out of the 3 options I finally had and looking more closely at the specifications / reviews etc. I decided in the end to buy the BenQ Mobiuz... again. 😀
Reasons being...
It was generally in my budget of £200, it has speakers and those are pretty much ok, pretty good actually for a monitor in this price range. It has some usb connections which might prove useful, but no headphone socket. The quality of the screen is crisp and sharp and the colours are very good, and it is also HDR compliant. Refresh rate is fairly high (165Hz) using the Display port though using an HDMi connection that will bring it down to 144Hz.I think
It's overall dimensions are slightly on the large size with the base projecting roughly 2" (5cm) beyond the front of the screen. My computer desk has a depth of just under 2ft (60cm) so when the monitor is in place there's enough room for a large keyboard (mine is a Logitech G19) and the joystick (Thrustmaster T16000m) to be positioned directly in front of the monitor. It's a solid base though and you've got the tilt swivel and hight adjustments, but no pivot. Rear connections can be partially hidden with a quickly removable panel and the cables routed back through the base which helps to keep cables tidy. I can't see any dead pixels on the screen so in this respect the quality seems fine.
I'm no expert on monitors but I can only say I'm very happy with how it's performing at the moment, obviously time will tell at how reliable it is ( I've used it for about 8 months) and of course how good the warranty will be if there are any problems in the future.
The main consideration though for me are user reviews. I found several reviews of this monitor and I'll supply one here..
Bear in mind the review is over 2 years old though, so prices have radically changed and the monitor at time of review was $400 (roughly about £300). I've just bought it at just about £200, (From Overlockers UK) with £7 postage on top of that.

The Thermaltake monitor has some good up to date specifications, especially the port connections at the back, but it has no speakers which might be a problem if you haven't any separate speakers obviously,. The overall design is a bit quirky, that is to say it might not appeal to some, I was 50 / 50 on this, but the base of the monitor didn't look as good in my eyes compared to the BenQ's. On the other hand the Thermaltake base does have a pivot option. this is design, so some may like it.
As it's Thermaltake's first attempt in the monitor market apparently from what I could gather any reviews as I said are spartan, this also reflects back to me in the sense of caution, as I haven't much information as to (1) quality, (2) warranty, (3) long term use and whether Thermaltake would continue to support this monitor in future with either software or other considerations. That's not to say this monitor isn't a good buy, or it's quality and specifications aren't either, but I'm personally wary of new computer hardware / peripherals that haven't been tried and tested.

I also considered an MSI 27" Monitor that was cheaper than the Thermaltake & BenQ but the rear connections didn't include any usb ports and it also hadn't any speakers, though the base of the monitor compared to the other two is much more compact and neater looking, so it would fit a smaller width desktop.
I looked at some reviews of this monitor and they were mostly positive, there were a few negative points mentioned, especially the absence of usb ports, but generally reviews were as I said positive. The price point is also very competitive in the sub £200 monitor range, and at the moment there is an offer at some retailers in the UK that includes free postage, which I gather is in collaboration with MSI.
MSI have a reasonable track record for monitors, which is another consideration.


There are of course better monitors with higher specifications in the "27 2560 x 1440 monitor range, especially in VR mode I should think, but for a more budget priced monitor in the £200 price bracket and lower these are what I personally came up with within this general budget.

As for Elite Dangerous? I don't play many games but I play Elite a lot!... Playing Elite on the monitor I've chosen I've got no real complaints. I have less eyestrain than I used to and overall I'm pleased with the results visually. (y)
I hope this short review will be in some small way of some help to others who play Elite, and have a new 27"1440p monitor in mind.
If anybody would like to comment about this particular subject, and it's connection with Elite, feel free to submit your thoughts and experiences, all knowledge is useful here as ultimately we all play Elite through two main technological criteria, visual and audio.

Jack :)
 
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One thing I can share about monitors and Elite (which I may have mentioned before?) is the importance of fast response times. I originally wrote this up here after my experiences with a Gigabyte Aorus (which had relatively poor response times and which I eventually returned) and a Samsung Odyssey G7 (which I got instead and am really happy with).

For illustration (and I only found this graph afterwards) you can see the monitor I had a bad experience with at the bottom and the one I replaced it with at the top.

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The issue was that Elite has a lot of high contrast thin lines (e.g. orbit lines on a backgound of black space) which move around the screen a lot (especially if you have head look) and these would fade out quite noticeably while they were moving around the screen and only come back to full solidity when they stopped. Once I'd noticed it I couldn't unsee it and was actually surprised given how bad it was that it was simply a feature of response time and not a genuine fault with the original monitor.
 
Jumping into a 20+ page discussion, so forgive me if this is a repeat. Get yourself decent quaility cables (network, monitor, usb, etc.). Lots of folks spend all their cash on their rig and connect it up with back alley lowest bidder cables. Quality does make a difference on a gaming rig.

I see several posts referring to 27" monitors. If you are looking at 27", bump up to 32". It's a world of difference, the cost difference is negligable, the footprint only slighly larger and additional real estate on the screen is well worth it. 1440 is good enough for me in general gaming. I love the high refresh rates I can get. I play Elite in VR so less impactful in that respect, but other games are very responsive.
 
Jumping into a 20+ page discussion, so forgive me if this is a repeat. Get yourself decent quaility cables (network, monitor, usb, etc.). Lots of folks spend all their cash on their rig and connect it up with back alley lowest bidder cables. Quality does make a difference on a gaming rig.

I see several posts referring to 27" monitors. If you are looking at 27", bump up to 32". It's a world of difference, the cost difference is negligable, the footprint only slighly larger and additional real estate on the screen is well worth it. 1440 is good enough for me in general gaming. I love the high refresh rates I can get. I play Elite in VR so less impactful in that respect, but other games are very responsive.
Love the idea of a bigger monitor, but do you know if anyone has blind tested the cable thing (I.e. compared visual performance on the same rig(s) without knowing the specific cable being used)? I had thought that was holdover from analog signal days, and with newer equipment that’s digital signal based it doesn’t really matter. I haven’t seen much of a difference on larger TVs that I’ve had replaced “worse” cables with “better,” but I’m also the kind to happily play in stuttery VR on an old graphics card so I’m not really a great judge of quality :)
 

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I dread PC components shopping :D

I got a bonus from work this month, so I decided it's high time to swap a bottleneck in my current PC, which is the CPU. Since I reached max for my mobo, it also means a new mobo. Since new mobo supports DDR5, best just get new RAM too. Since I have some parts that I could spare to perhaps build a secondary streaming PC, I could use a case as well. Oh, the AIO cooling solution can't be mounted on my new CPU, I need that as well. Be good to swap couple of old 256 GB SSD's for some bigger ones. But I also need a HDD to sync data with my NAS...

All of a sudden I have built myself a new PC. Fargoddamit!

I am well out of the loop hardware-wise. Can anyone spot potential problematic components here?

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I dread PC components shopping :D

I got a bonus from work this month, so I decided it's high time to swap a bottleneck in my current PC, which is the CPU. Since I reached max for my mobo, it also means a new mobo. Since new mobo supports DDR5, best just get new RAM too. Since I have some parts that I could spare to perhaps build a secondary streaming PC, I could use a case as well. Oh, the AIO cooling solution can't be mounted on my new CPU, I need that as well. Be good to swap couple of old 256 GB SSD's for some bigger ones. But I also need a HDD to sync data with my NAS...

All of a sudden I have built myself a new PC. Fargoddamit!

I am well out of the loop hardware-wise. Can anyone spot potential problematic components here?

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The old rabbit hole enjoy your new computer you started buying one thing for :)
 
I dread PC components shopping :D

I got a bonus from work this month, so I decided it's high time to swap a bottleneck in my current PC, which is the CPU. Since I reached max for my mobo, it also means a new mobo. Since new mobo supports DDR5, best just get new RAM too. Since I have some parts that I could spare to perhaps build a secondary streaming PC, I could use a case as well. Oh, the AIO cooling solution can't be mounted on my new CPU, I need that as well. Be good to swap couple of old 256 GB SSD's for some bigger ones. But I also need a HDD to sync data with my NAS...

All of a sudden I have built myself a new PC. Fargoddamit!

I am well out of the loop hardware-wise. Can anyone spot potential problematic components here?

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No GPU? Or are you transferring the existing?

It doesn't seem like your use case needs to spend the extra on the X870E, over the X870 (for details see https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-x870e-aorus-pro/12.html).

Do you need a 1200W PSU? Probably not unless you are running a 5090 (and don't have plans for a future x090).
 
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