DLC 19 Speculation

Yeah, the concept behind Barnyard was good, in my opinion. But they messed it up by making it based on European farms:
  • The chicken could've been any chicken, or even a guieneafowl
  • The donkey, while I like it, could've been another animal.
  • The cow was fine. I don't have any issues with it
  • The Tamworth pig, no. If they were gonna do a pig, do something more interesting
  • The alpaca was ok, I guess
  • The sheep could've been something more exotic, too
  • The goat was meh. The pygmy goat would've been nicer
Honestly, I feel pretty much the same. I loved barnyard but I would have liked something different for the breed selection:
• alpaca: keep
• Highland cattle: cool; a Zebu would have been just as good
• donkey: one of my favourites, keep
• pig: Tamworth is a very specific breed, and it kinda es me off because it looks like a fairly generic pig, but it's brick red. That kind of ruins it to me. A Vietnamese potbelly pig would have been better, and perhaps more suited to a zoo setting
• sheep: Hill Radnor is another very specific breed, but hey at least it looks like a random sheep, good enough. But I feel like Cameroon sheep would have worked better: more exotic, more colourful, could easily work in an African savannah exhibit together with the wild animals
• goat: it's a generic goat, love the amount of colours, no complaints. Maybe too big
• chicken: eh. Very white. Decent pick for my Minecraft themed zoo, but I would have preferred something more colourful.
 
If you look back now and don't think about how it could've been an animal pack and whatever about what we could've got, the Tropical pack is honestly one of the best packs imo and is probably the pack that aged the best. Has extremely useful pieces, good foliage, covers several areas and has animals that are very popular in zoos and look beautiful. The gibbon, red river hog, fossa, and sloth are all 10/10 picks and are still some of my favourites, even the monitor isn't that far down either.
Tropical Pack is one of my favourite packs. The scenery was amazing, it filled some very noticeable gaps in the roster (red river hog, fossa), gave us a better alternative to the Nile monitor with the addition of deep diving, and finally gave us a usable gibbon after the siamang (dis)graced us with its presence in Conservation. The only thing off about this pack was the sloth... Two-toed was right there.
But I appreciate the little detail of giving us a Cecropia tree sapling together with the sloth, considering how cecropia is one of the three-toed sloth's main food sources
 
Bring your guests face to face with the most mysterious creatures in the world in the brand-new Planet Zoo: Cryptid Animal Pack! Say hello to the frightening Chupacabra, the enigmatic Yeti, the miserable yet adorable Squonk, and the mighty Mokele Mbembe! Hear the chilling calls of the Bunyip, and admire the Loch Ness monster as it gracefully glides over the lake, while the curious Jackalope grazes in the fields; and at night, the Duck-Footed Dum-Dum will make its presence known with its iconic drumming sounds!
I got to be honest a pack like this would really help me make a Halloween type zoo with the Twilight Pack pieces.
 
Some people really overthink the cover art. Coyote is a dog and a dog like animal was not used on a cover yet. While Coati would be similar to Raccoon from the Twillight pack. It is really simple as that. The cover art is there to catch your attention, but really, no one will buy or not buy a pack based only on what animal is on the cover of the pack.
 
Do you by any chance know why the Aldabra Giant Tortoise needs "high security"?
This is so funny. High security for the slowest, kindest, least agile, most easily spotted reptile in the planet. I get why Australians are so careful about importing animals but 😂
Holding males-only ruins the second most important reason for zoos: captive breeding. But I guess that's better than New Zealand even more strict laws.
 
I actually wouldn’t really welcome a burrowing owl and roadrunner simply because with so few birds in the game they would seem very random and out of place. I’d prefer ducks, storks, pheasants and other mostly ground-dwelling birds before them.
Honestly I do get this, I’m still dying for more ducks, storks, and pheasants. However I have watched mammals be added as every flavor into Planet Zoo, even to the point gibbons were given unique movement animations and programming.

While not as universally useful, I think the burrowing owl and roadrunner would finally begin to diversify the bird roster out of being mostly ratites and penguins.

Still, I totally get wanting to have more universal and basic birds first. However we don’t have to worry about that. Frontier isn’t gonna add more than two birds to a pack.
 
And which animals or packs would that be in your opinion?
I'm obviously not going to go back to every pack, but North America Animal Pack was a very clear example of animals that were all on the list and high on the list as well. And had other animals that could have been both easier for them to develop and were probably more well known.

Sakis in deserts? okay... I didn't know that.
Uhm, I don't know where you're going with this. The saki is one of the animals that deviates from the desert motive. I think you might have misread it?

Sorry, but who does play a zoo game if not zoo-nerds? Especially at this point in time, where all ABC animals are more or less in game already!
Again, I feel like you're reading stuff that isn't there. Obviously zoo nerds are still playing this game, and I never said they weren't. But zoo nerds are not as big of a niche as we'd like them to be, we'd have far more zoo games than we have today. The point is that the game currently still sells well enough that it also targets people outside the zoo nerd niche; aka people who care much more about animals in general and really just want to watch these animals in the game rather than building the zoo of their dreams.

And if we assume that most players who are supposed to buy the new DLC already bought the ones before
A difficult assumption to make without having actual sales data though. No matter how obvious an assumption might seem to us, without data to back it up we could be completely wrong. There's tons of examples of that all over the world, like how weight doesn't impact the rate of free falling objects. We'd assume that it does, but it ends up not.

So I won't go and make that assumption, especially given how their business model doesn't force you to buy all the DLCs.

Frontier fooling us sometimes in the old livestreams, e.g. when the wanted us to believe we would get the Spectacled Bear as part of as South America Animal Pack instead giving us the Spectacled Caiman as part of a wetlands pack.
Part of teasing animals means that there's always multiple interpretations, I don't think they ever intended us to believe we were getting a South America Animal Pack to begin with.

Or making us believe we would get the highly requested Mountain Animal PACK with MAnul, Markhor and Baboon in the keyart, when it wasn't.
Again, I don't think that was their intention either. Heck, if they wanted us to think it was a mountain pack then I'm sure as hell their key-art would have represented a mountain area much better with something that looked like this.

Sometimes the fanbase here gets really carried away with what they think it's going to be and part of teasing your packs is giving up that control. That can go really well, or backfire massively 😅

And again letting me wonder, why they don't take the meta-wishlist more "serious" or at least as a bigger inspiration as they obviously do.
Because we as a community simply voice what we want without looking at the practical side of things. They have to think about deadlines, budgets, team capacity, etc. etc. Wishlists are just wishes, but reality sometimes demands other approaches I'm afraid.

On top of that, I'm fairly sure they have a lot more metrics than we do. They used to post these kind of metrics one the anniversary showcasing what the most common animals were etc.; so I think they have very good insights on what people like and don't like. The fact that we got so many bears might just be because their metrics show that loads of people have bears in the zoos they build. Same goes for canids.

They might just go "hey people like this type of animal, we should give them more", and to them that makes a lot of sense but to us here that might not. Because they have data we don't have.
 
I actually wouldn’t really welcome a burrowing owl and roadrunner simply because with so few birds in the game they would seem very random and out of place. I’d prefer ducks, storks, pheasants and other mostly ground-dwelling birds before them.
Yeah exactly this. With birds I care less about where they’re from and more just how iconic they are to a zoo (or in this case zoo game haha). Some specific ones that I would love to have are the white stork (after seeing this one in Miami I’m convinced Europe isn’t complete without it), a pheasant species, pelican, duck, jabiru, Victoria pigeon, spoonbill etc.
 
Deserts are some of my favourite biomes, and ungulates (antelopes in particular) among my favourite animals, so I loved the Arid Pack... Except for the rhino.
I was so against the idea of getting our third rhino, it felt so unnecessary (and it still does, at least to me). But hey, we got the hamadryas and the tortoise in the end, so I'm not too mad anymore.

BTW, I love having all three of the white desert antelopes (addax, dama and oryx), they look so good together
 
Yeah, the concept behind Barnyard was good, in my opinion. But they messed it up by making it based on European farms:
  • The chicken could've been any chicken, or even a guieneafowl
  • The donkey, while I like it, could've been another animal.
  • The cow was fine. I don't have any issues with it
  • The Tamworth pig, no. If they were gonna do a pig, do something more interesting
  • The alpaca was ok, I guess
  • The sheep could've been something more exotic, too
  • The goat was meh. The pygmy goat would've been nicer
I have to agree here. I liked this pack but I would have loved it if it was a mix of domestic species from around the world.
  • The choice of the Highlands cow was perfect to me, it's the only one.
  • The chicken could have indeed been a guineafowl or perhaps I would have chosen a more colourful species. Maybe one from some kind of islands.
  • For the pig I would have easily chosen the Pot-Bellied Pig or the Kunekune
  • For the goat I would have chosen an african species.
  • I'm fine with the donkey tbh. A Shetland poney would have been good too.
  • I would have totally replaced the alpaca by something else like a rabbit or a duck but at least it's a bit more representation for South America.
  • Finally for the sheep I would have prefered the Valais Blacknosed because he's such a cutie but again a duck or a rabbit would have been a better choice imo.

Anyway, we won't be redoing the previous packs again and again but it keeps us busy while we wait for more news on the next pack.
 
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