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Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Increase the price then, not drop the amount of unique(er) animals and content and sound work. I have no problem with transparent, open price raises and will happily pay more FOR QUALITY. I hate hidden price raises. Disrespectful to the customer base.

I am mainly speaking:

  • Arid
  • Barnyard
  • Zookeepers
  • Americas Animal Pack

Arid: Way too many easy to make antilopes and a cat, no soundwork for the Ass. Only one unique animal
Barnyard: No soundwork for the donkey, no propper research regarding animal choices in my opinion (it's "the UK pack"), not good fur work for the highland cattle.
Zookeepers: Fur work drop, can't say much about sounds yet.
Americas animal pack: Only one unique animal (Bush dog)

If anyone wants to use my opinion as a blanket statement withg saying I see a quality drop since base game, that's on them :rolleyes: I litterally never said that and I advocated for reworks and praised the improved quality in a lot of packs since base game more than enough. Which is exactly why I also call out the low effort work of current packs.
 

The Sea Blimp

The Sea Blimp
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Not the bird i manifested but this still looks great!
 

The Aardvark

The Aardvark
Swjosdotschka said:
Increase the price then, not drop the amount of unique(er) animals and content and sound work. I have no problem with transparent, open price raises and will happily pay more FOR QUALITY. I hate hidden price raises. Disrespectful to the customer base.

I am mainly speaking:

  • Arid
  • Barnyard
  • Zookeepers
  • Americas Animal Pack

Arid: Way too many easy to make antilopes and a cat, no soundwork for the Ass. Only one unique animal
Barnyard: No soundwork for the donkey, no propper research regarding animal choices in my opinion (it's "the UK pack"), not good fur work for the highland cattle.
Zookeepers: Fur work drop, can't say much about sounds yet.
Americas animal pack: Only one unique animal (Bush dog)

If anyone wants to use my opinion as a blanket statement withg saying I see a quality drop since base game, that's on them :rolleyes: I litterally never said that and I advocated for reworks and praised the improved quality in a lot of packs since base game more than enough. Which is exactly why I also call out the low effort work of current packs.
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I see this and I raise to you: Southeast Asia and Grasslands.

• Southeast Asia: only two unique animals (binturong, proboscis monkey), three out of 7 habitat animals required successive remodels (the brand-new binturong, our 5th dog, and the laziest excuse for a clone ever conceived)

• Grasslands: only one unique habitat animal (armadillo) with plenty of easy clones (emu, hyena, wallaby, caracal, wildebeest), one of which required a rework (hyena); I would also argue that the emu looks kinda questionable but maybe that's just me.

Why are these two justified?
 
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The Sea Blimp

The Sea Blimp
The Aardvark said:
I see this and I raise to you: Southeast Asia and Grasslands.

• Southeast Asia: only two unique animals (binturong, proboscis monkey), three out of 7 habitat animals required successive remodels (the brand-new binturong, our 5th dog, and the laziest excuse for a clone ever conceived)

• Grasslands: only one unique habitat animal (armadillo) with plenty of easy clones (emu, hyena, wallaby, caracal, wildebeest), one of which required a rework (hyena); I would also argue that the emu looks kinda questionable but maybe that's just me.

Why are these two justified?
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Because as we all know the exhibit animal carries, I couldn't live without the giant Malaysian leaf insect

and also I legitimately cant live without the butterflies now we have them they are peak
 

Aramar

Aramar
I must be one of the few people who haven't done it yet, so here's my rating of the animals:

American flamingo 10/10 - Flamingos are essential zoo animals, and after 5 years using the same one I'm very happy to get a different one which looks completely different because of its colour. Besides, now we can use flamingo in our South American, North American, European, African and Asian areas of our zoos!

Bighorn sheep 7/10 - it's nice to have a hot biome "goat". I would have preferred the Barbary sheep in other pack, but this is fine.

Bush dog 8/10 - I have never seen them in real life, but they seem like a nice small animal to have.

Coyote 6/10 - it's iconic from North America and I saw them in Parc Omega in Canada. They are nice, but I think they are the weakest choice the pack.

Greater rhea 9/10 - Super common in zoos and iconic from the region. What else can I say?

Ocelot 8/10 - For me it's a well-known animal from South America and it will be useful for zoos who can't afford to have a jaguar.

White faced saki 10/10 - Common in zoos and a new world monkey.
 

The Aardvark

The Aardvark
The Sea Blimp said:
I care about all animals #ExhibitAnimalsAreAlsoPeak
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think I'm in the majority if I say that the leaf insect (which, by the way, is the only animal in the pack that still lacks its own sign...) isn't enough to compensate for all the very noticeable problems that the pack originally came with.
All I'm trying to say is that I don't feel like the quality has decreased as drastically as people claim, it's remained more or less the same with a few exceptions (wetlands, North America)
 

The Sea Blimp

The Sea Blimp
The Aardvark said:
but I think I'm in the majority if I say that the leaf insect (which, by the way, is the only animal in the pack that still lacks its own sign...) isn't enough to compensate for all the very noticeable problems that the pack originally came with.
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Gonna be honest I was being satire I don't actually have any opinions on the leaf insect, that pack was not good at launch but after all the remodels I'm pretty happy where its at now, most of the species feel pretty good now
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
The Aardvark said:
I see this and I raise to you: Southeast Asia and Grasslands.

• Southeast Asia: only two unique animals (binturong, proboscis monkey), three out of 7 habitat animals required successive remodels (the brand-new binturong, our 5th dog, and the laziest excuse for a clone ever conceived).

• Grasslands: only one unique habitat animal (armadillo) with plenty of easy clones (emu, hyena, wallaby, caracal, wildebeest), one of which required a rework (hyena); I would also argue that the emu looks kinda questionable but maybe that's just me.

Why are these two justified?
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Southeast Asia: Two is not One. I can live with 2. And they did react immensly well to the Bintuwrong desaster. Also: This was a building pack and the building pieces where stunning! Edit: Nvm, building set was in tropical, everything else still stands. Also sunbear got unique animations and new enrichment items, so why you call them an easy clone is a bit beyond me, but everyone seem to have their own definition of that.
Grassland: Emu, Maned Wolf and I believe the Armadillo where very highly requested at that time and if I remember correctly the Emu has unique animations when running that no other bird in game had. Speaking of easy clones: They used that to give us MORE species in the WE, instead of just going with 1. Did they have a lot of work with that? Probably not. But it is still getting more bang for our bucks. And the way the Armadillo walks, I would not even consider it an easy clone. I also can not give you one single example of an animal that lacked in fur quality or anything.
Would I have prefered better Soundwork for the Maned Wolf. Yes. But for me these are not compareable with the packs I mentioned.

In short: I see packs as a whole and I also take into account which animals where highly requested. Every pack I mentioned dropped the ball with that, albeit at least for Arid the Baboon was delivered later and the Porcupine was super high on the list.

It's also quite unneccessary to discuss every pack now. We don't need to agree. I just explained my POV, that's it. I don't force anyone to share it, if they are still happy with the quality recently, I'm sure they have a lot to look forward to in a potential sequel. If things stay the way they are, I can't and won't say the same about myself.
 
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Villanelle

Villanelle
I was looking at all the old DLCs recently to pick my favourite animals from each DLC (for a 'favourites' zoo idea) and honestly, I think the DLCs have gotten better and better. Australia, Arctic, Aquatic...they gave us some animals that probably should have been in the base game (looking at you, kangaroo, polar bear and king penguin) but in my opinion most of the more interesting animals have come along since SE Asia and keep on coming.

2022-2023 were the best years I think with all DLC being absolutely stellar and the free updates being really freaking cool. But I don't think 'quality' has dropped. I think species selection has been a bit more hit-and-miss. Personally I love Arid but I understand that it was too ungulate heavy for most. Then Oceania and Eurasia came along which were peak, especially in terms of artwork. Barnyard was a good idea, poorly executed, but I still appreciate it and love making farmyards. Zookeepers was fantastic, we were just not in love with it from the get-go because we thought it was the last pack. It is aging better and better. I think Americas is going to be in my top five.

The lack of a free update is what concerns me the most. But maybe the days of getting stuff for free are over. In this economy? Go figure.
 
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