Landable (Semi) Habitable Planets... Are A Thing?

-You don't even notice the tech exists. Until you realize that congenital diseases, cancer, physical disabilities etc are perfectly fixable and don't really exist (at a large scale) in the society.
The actual depiction in Odyssey has of course gone this way and then rather further than that, with eugenics programmes having reduced humanity to exactly two body types.

It saves the clothing manufacturers trillions of credits annually in standardisation efficiencies, which is why they ruthlessly hunted down the remaining nonconformists in the 2700s.
 
Let's take Swoilz AC-G b3-8 2 as an example. Its major dayside crater (located at 13 46 latitude/longitude) goes down to 8.5km... which, assuming I've done the numbers right, gives it a pressure of 20.7% pure oxygen. That's about equivalent to an actual Earth-Like's oxygen content, and it's got a quite habitable regional temp of 10-15C!
Two problems.
  1. First, while each breath would theoretically contain a breathable dose of Oxygen, the ability of our physiology to draw in a full breath of air at that pressure might be doubtful, especially considering the psychological effect/panic of trying to breathe air that is still one-fifth the pressure at which we are designed to breathe. We draw in about .02 moles of mostly inert gas molecules; 0.005 moles of almost pure oxygen isn't the same thing.
  2. Second, the atmosphere of that world is also .11 percent (1100 parts per million) Sulphur Dioxide, which even at one-fifth volume, is still more than double what is lethal, so if we could use the oxygen in that crater, we would also die of SO2 inhalation.
 
All the maths, for anyone who wants to read it (or check my calculations)
Looks sensible, except that the first physical constant you mention is actually called the "Boltzmann" constant (y)
Two problems.
  1. First, while each breath would theoretically contain a breathable dose of Oxygen, the ability of our physiology to draw in a full breath of air at that pressure might be doubtful, especially considering the psychological effect/panic of trying to breathe air that is still one-fifth the pressure at which we are designed to breathe. We draw in about .02 moles of mostly inert gas molecules; 0.005 moles of almost pure oxygen isn't the same thing.
  2. Second, the atmosphere of that world is also .11 percent (1100 parts per million) Sulphur Dioxide, which even at one-fifth volume, is still more than double what is lethal, so if we could use the oxygen in that crater, we would also die of SO2 inhalation.
Problem #2 looks pretty terminal.
#1 on the other hand, maybe not so much - people can breathe at the top of Everest, which is around one-third of normal atmospheric pressure. So one-fifth is maybe doable?
 
Looks sensible, except that the first physical constant you mention is actually called the "Boltzmann" constant (y)

Problem #2 looks pretty terminal.
#1 on the other hand, maybe not so much - people can breathe at the top of Everest, which is around one-third of normal atmospheric pressure. So one-fifth is maybe doable?
I'm pretty sure astronauts breathe low-pressure pure oxygen. I don't think it actually matters how much other inert gases there are as long as there's the right partial pressure of oxygen.
 
The actual depiction in Odyssey has of course gone this way and then rather further than that, with eugenics programmes having reduced humanity to exactly two body types.
… I’d buy it if we could see what’s going on down on planetary surfaces of Earth-like planets and similar. Personally, I don’t see so much lore in it as Frontier not throwing in proper body customization due to the rushed nature of Odyssey. (And I don’t expect they would now)

Notice there are no children, old people, overweight, extra short, or physically disabled?
On that note… I think that can easily be explained away by that the regular civilians are kept well away from the “concourse” where the trigger happy are regularly and freely handed murder/massacre contracts. Probably to avoid… ‘incidents’.
 
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The actual depiction in Odyssey has of course gone this way and then rather further than that, with eugenics programmes having reduced humanity to exactly two body types.

It saves the clothing manufacturers trillions of credits annually in standardisation efficiencies, which is why they ruthlessly hunted down the remaining nonconformists in the 2700s.
"Hei, look at this splendid utopia! Everyone's healthy and fit and good-looking! I wonder how they managed this?"🤩

<Starts reading history books>

"Oh... Oh no... Oh hell, no! No, no, noooo!!!"😨🫣

<Escapes towards Beagle Point>
 
but different bodies have different hit boxes
Technically that is not a necessity, as they could be given the same hitbox regardless of the chosen character model. (Which I’ve seen done in at least one game, eg ‘larger’ characters had a smaller hitbox than the model indicated while smaller ones had a wider one than appearance, but I can’t recall if there were complaints about people “missing” because they were not hitting where they expected their shots to go on the bigger ones)

And I don’t see everybody in Elite picking the female character “because it has a smaller hitbox”. Was it a design choice made due to possible PvP interactions? Maybe. But considering how it is also entirely optional in basically anything to engage in PvP waves about modes, I’m not sure sure how much of a concern it would have to be. Then again, the issues caused by instancing don’t need to be worsened by that… of course I’d still like further body customization instead of “everybody looks the same except the face/head”

Also, something more related to OP, this did lead me to wonder about that terraformable water world’s (existing) qualities in one of my colonization systems, when it has a nearly pure oxygen atmosphere at 0.16 Earth pressure. (99.5% oxygen, 0.3% nitrogen, 0.2% water) Although there would of course not be any accessible craters (or at the very least none kilometers deep) above the water surface.

You could also question the existence of the liquid water at that pressure, but shrugs stellar forge. It generates ammonia biospheres and water worlds that just don’t have an atmosphere to begin with…
 
Looks sensible, except that the first physical constant you mention is actually called the "Boltzmann" constant (y)

Problem #2 looks pretty terminal.
#1 on the other hand, maybe not so much - people can breathe at the top of Everest, which is around one-third of normal atmospheric pressure. So one-fifth is maybe doable?
Not too sure about that people start to die below the summit of Everest due to pressure related issues.
Edit to add: Going from a third to a fifth is almost halving the pressure again.

 
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Not too sure about that people start to die below the summit of Everest due to pressure related issues.
Edit to add: Going from a third to a fifth is almost halving the pressure again.

The problem isn’t overall atmospheric pressure, it’s oxygen “partial pressure”. If you’re breathing a one-fifth pressure atmosphere of pure O2, you’ll get about the same amount of oxygen as you will on Earth’s surface. Breathing a one-third pressure of Earth atmospheric mix of only 21% oxygen… different story.
 
You could also question the existence of the liquid water at that pressure, but shrugs stellar forge.
It's not quite as crazy as it sounds - the vapour pressure of water varies very steeply with temperature so 0.16 atm only drops the boiling point to a little over 55°C.
It generates ammonia biospheres and water worlds that just don’t have an atmosphere to begin with…
But yeah, that sounds kinda broken! :)
The problem isn’t overall atmospheric pressure, it’s oxygen “partial pressure”. If you’re breathing a one-fifth pressure atmosphere of pure O2, you’ll get about the same amount of oxygen as you will on Earth’s surface. Breathing a one-third pressure of Earth atmospheric mix of only 21% oxygen… different story.
Yeah, that was my point - I should have stated it more clearly (it occurred to me afterwards that it might cause some confusion) but I was replying to a concern that people might not be able to draw breath at all at that pressure (which might still be a thing, to be fair, given that indeed 0.2 and 0.33 are somewhat different :)).
 
concern that people might not be able to draw breath at all at that pressure (which might still be a thing, to be fair, given that indeed 0.2 and 0.33 are somewhat different :)).
Oooh, just found a good answer here on Stackexchange: https://biology.stackexchange.com/a/40505 - funnily enough it turns out that the vapour pressure of water is mentioned here too! Summary: 0.06 atm will kill you even before you run out of oxygen (blood boils) and 0.12 atm on pure oxygen is livable...
 
Well that's interesting, because my impression has been that the Elite Dangerous setting has some rather oldschool sensibilities when it comes to the transhumanism side of things. Occasional individuals with minor cybernetics or minimal biological tweaking, in accordance with the series' origins in 1980s science fiction. Who are these groups?
The Elite universe itself is heavily inspired by Adams in particular who had a character with three arms and two heads and a major plotline where a planet was custom built from the ground up including customised humans in order to please a bunch of mice and a species with telepathy who could only find peace through rock concerts. So I think probably this universe is cool with humans carrying local adaptations. (Never mind the other 100 years of sci-fi that Braben and Bell almost certainly read the same way I did, being only slightly older than me)

It is interesting how farsighted that universe is though when you consider cyberpunk hadn't really got going yet and the Player of Games had yet to learn even pinochle or bridge.
 
But yeah, that sounds kinda broken! :)
Nope, water worlds with counterintuitive water depth vs atmosphere depth is a thing; it basically depends what order of baking and freezing the geology went through when forming, and also how much ice is a factor. You just need a combination that is locally stable in the space of possibilities, which is not the same as "the one that makes the most sense."

Basically if there's too much liquid it will produce gas and if there's too much gas you'll lose it out the top of the atmosphere, sure, but the two things can happen at different rates and the rates are affected by different parameters so it doesn't necessarily meet in the middle of the problem space, it can end up in weird corners. And there's feedback because the heat at the water/vapour boundary depends on how much heat is rejected or trapped by the atmosphere before it reaches the liquid surface.

And less basically once you get down to two-figure temperatures the phase diagram for water is utterly weird because water is weird.

There's a good thread on this from months (years?) ago where we all really got into the physical chemistry of it.
 
And less basically once you get down to two-figure temperatures the phase diagram for water is utterly weird because water is weird
So what you are saying is, under the right circumstances/balance a “vacuum” (albeit not technically one if there is a layer of water vapor) could exist? What about the ammonia biospheres though (one of the Titans even parked above such a ‘vacuum’ ammonia world in Col 285 Sector BA-P c6-18)? Because while the codex says the Thargoids can survive vacuum for some time, I’m not exactly sure that is a naturally evolved ability.
 
Thargoids can survive vacuum for some time, I’m not exactly sure that is a naturally evolved ability.
But so can humans, just give them a space suit. Once we are outside of naturally evolved abilities I mean anything goes, is it a genetic adaption, added hardware grafted to the body, an entire exoskeleton including life support functions. The Thargoids may see us floating around in space in our space suits and think the same about us, that we can survive in space for some time also, but it may not be a naturally evolved ability.
 
Atmosphere compoisition is 99.5% oxygen, 0.4% carbon dioxide andd 0.1% sulphur dioxide. Should be fine, I think?
EDIT: Well, the SO2 would at the very least smell bad. I guess the colonists will have to invest in some atmospheric scrubbers…

Just leaving this here:

"While there have been minor variations in the earth’s total oxygen level, over time humans and animals have become physically adapted to breathing air that contains approximately 21% oxygen.

Therefore, it makes sense that because humans and animals are adapted to breathing 21% oxygen in air, anything much different from 21% would be hazardous to our health. This is why OSHA considers any oxygen level below 19.5% as oxygen deficient or anything above 23.5% as oxygen enriched air. Both are potentially dangerous."

 
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