Went through the Listing in regards to what inherent Colony Economy Stations would get changed to, and it seems to be missing a Type. Or at the very least I can't spot the line where a Water Giant is mentioned. Anyone else got a better pair of eyes? Mine are pretty old and fuzzy.
Elite Dangerous | Trailblazers Update 3 - Wednesday April 30
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Hopefully, we should have a framework where the frontlines will change shape more frequently with systems falling and contested wars on the follow.
Water giants are not mentioned specifically, so unless otherwise noted I would think they count as gas giants.
These three fixes in particular are a great relief for me: I can finally unload my carrier without loosing a lot of work and one of my systems is still waiting for a military hub. Not to mention the stuttering bug.
Very much appreciated, thanks a lot!
Don't think that would work as they are completely different style systems. I could see an upgrade option to go from small Coriolis to larger ones with farm rings and such. Or go from small pirate outpost to larger science outposts. But structurally speaking they are very different and would need a complete rebuild to change.
Same here. It's getting old fast. I hope it really gets fixed.
For those complaining about systems that they're architects of becoming "bricked", this should be considered a feature. Expansion of a frontier is never perfect and often faces dead ends and unforeseen problems. These systems will give the expanding bubble idiosyncrasies that will make it feel more organic and less designed.
Nobody should want cookie cutter systems in every direction, variety is interesting.
Nobody should want cookie cutter systems in every direction, variety is interesting.
Now that it's no longer a question of youth research and my seven-year-old grandson is explaining to his father about settling, it won't be long before it's possible in the Colonia bubble.
One system colonisation contact would be enough for me. An outpost needs about 19,000 tonnes of material. Some of it is already up here. I'll get the rest from the bubble.
The Carrier almost 25,000 tonnes. Enough space for tritium to get there and almost back. If I fly into the bubble empty, I can load enough tritium for the return flight.
So what's the problem? Except that it turns into work.
One system colonisation contact would be enough for me. An outpost needs about 19,000 tonnes of material. Some of it is already up here. I'll get the rest from the bubble.
The Carrier almost 25,000 tonnes. Enough space for tritium to get there and almost back. If I fly into the bubble empty, I can load enough tritium for the return flight.
So what's the problem? Except that it turns into work.
Good day,
I’m excited to hear about the upcoming changes to colonization and I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into improving the experience. However, I do have a concern that I’m hoping someone can help me with.
Please treat me like the kid sitting in the back of the classroom asking the obvious questions.
I currently manage two systems. The first I started at the beginning of the colonization phase but ultimately abandoned due to persistent market issues. A month later, I started a second system, with much greater success. It’s this second system that I’d like to discuss:
System: Col 285 Sector XA-D c13-20
(I’ve attached screenshots to assist.)
The system is composed mostly of High Metal Content worlds. My goal has been to create a self-sustaining market with the required metals to support ongoing colonization efforts without needing to frequently leave the system. Here’s the current setup:
This system has been part of an ongoing experiment to figure out how to kickstart a Refinery economy across multiple Starports and settlements. Over the past month, the system’s economic state has shifted several times—from Extraction/Refinery, to High Tech/Refinery, and now to Industrial/Refinery.
My concerns with the upcoming changes are:
I appreciate any clarification you can provide. Thank you again for your time and for continuing to improve the colonization experience!
o7
I’m excited to hear about the upcoming changes to colonization and I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into improving the experience. However, I do have a concern that I’m hoping someone can help me with.
Please treat me like the kid sitting in the back of the classroom asking the obvious questions.
I currently manage two systems. The first I started at the beginning of the colonization phase but ultimately abandoned due to persistent market issues. A month later, I started a second system, with much greater success. It’s this second system that I’d like to discuss:
System: Col 285 Sector XA-D c13-20
(I’ve attached screenshots to assist.)
The system is composed mostly of High Metal Content worlds. My goal has been to create a self-sustaining market with the required metals to support ongoing colonization efforts without needing to frequently leave the system. Here’s the current setup:
- Planet A-2
- Extraction settlement
- Refinery Hub
- Uncompleted Industrial settlement
- Orbital Government Installation
- Coriolis Starport (produces metals; Extraction/Refinery economy)
- Planet A-3
- Extraction Hub
- Refinery Hub
- Planet A-4
- Industrial Planetary Outpost (produces mostly machinery and industrial goods)
- Refinery Hub
- Orbital Mining Outpost Installation
- Planet A-5
- Extraction settlement
- Refinery Hub
- Mining Outpost Installation
- Coriolis Starport (produces metals; Extraction/Refinery economy)
- Planet A-7
- Extraction settlement
- Two Refinery Hubs
- Commercial Outpost (produces metals; Colony/Refinery economy)
This system has been part of an ongoing experiment to figure out how to kickstart a Refinery economy across multiple Starports and settlements. Over the past month, the system’s economic state has shifted several times—from Extraction/Refinery, to High Tech/Refinery, and now to Industrial/Refinery.
My concerns with the upcoming changes are:
- Will all of my Refinery Hubs now become useless ("dead in the water") because they are built on High Metal Content worlds instead of Icy worlds?
- Will the Starport markets I worked to build up still produce metals, or will they be wiped out/reset by the changes?
I appreciate any clarification you can provide. Thank you again for your time and for continuing to improve the colonization experience!
o7
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Interesting (colonisation) update, but maybe a bit complicated.
- I think it's a bit strange that extraction isnt boosted by a HMC or MRW planet though.
- Will reserves/resources that are pristine always stay pristine or will they change/decrease over time? What will then happen to the economies/facilities that are boosted by that?
- Why do volcanism boost extraction?
- Do organics force a terraforming economy even if the planet isn't labelled as terraformable?
- Would also be interesting to see numbers on how much different conditions boost certain economies/facilities (10%, 20% and so on).
Much appreciate everyone's comment, yours in particular, Ian.
I have thousands of hours taking positive actions in BGS and I really like that. My "undermining" consists of working harder towards the faction I want to help. Even in Powerplay, I've managed to not do much of illegal activities but instead work on positive actions to improve my Power's standing. With all of that the same, my efforts to reinforce systems will be cut by 35%. I would be much better off going to my neighbor's system and setting it on fire. That'll get me merits, and also fines, bounties, dropping my reputation with the BGS faction, and possibly affecting their system influence. I'm not doing that.
This all helps, thank you. I'll wait for FDev to one day fix the Power reward packages so I can take my money and mats out and make it easier to quit Powerplay altogether.
IIRC I've never seen solar system reserves level diminish over the years, so until we see indications of this, which would require an absolutely massive effort of extraction on planetary scales, reserves are assumed to be permanent.
Volcanism brings up magma from below the surface, and that magma can contain metals and minerals that are difficult to get at otherwise. When the magma cools down it can be handled more safely for extraction of said metals and minerals.
Then again, we will get fluctuating Population Levels from the next Update onward, and even though they didn't say it, depending on the System State they probably could also stagnate. Could also apply to the Resources, though maybe on a much slower scale. After all, Humanity is a bottomless Pit when it comes to wanting more and more.
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Having a proper read - I must say this shapes to be a great patch!
Massive props to FDEV for listening to player feedback and changing how the system development works, despite earlier stating that Colonisation is feature complete and the beta is only for balancing purposes. One more thing I would personally LOVE to see is an ability to block the incoming link(s) in Ports to give us more granular control over that aspect of the game.
Question - does the fact that you are unlocking the economies and population growth mean that Trailblazers is now out of Beta and considered as released?
The change to Powerplay merits is really welcomed, I'm not super involved in it, but it does seem a bit... static at times. Thanks for turning on rare commodities trading too - I was waiting for that! Removal of escape pods is curious, but good to see varied gameplay introduced in its place. I was holding off with engaging with PP2 due to lots of stuff being switched off, but now I will be finally able to get into it properly!
The last year was impressive, but this year really shows FDEV coming back on track with the development of Elite. This makes me super happy and quite confident in the game's future. Let's go 3311 and beyond!
Massive props to FDEV for listening to player feedback and changing how the system development works, despite earlier stating that Colonisation is feature complete and the beta is only for balancing purposes. One more thing I would personally LOVE to see is an ability to block the incoming link(s) in Ports to give us more granular control over that aspect of the game.
Question - does the fact that you are unlocking the economies and population growth mean that Trailblazers is now out of Beta and considered as released?
The change to Powerplay merits is really welcomed, I'm not super involved in it, but it does seem a bit... static at times. Thanks for turning on rare commodities trading too - I was waiting for that! Removal of escape pods is curious, but good to see varied gameplay introduced in its place. I was holding off with engaging with PP2 due to lots of stuff being switched off, but now I will be finally able to get into it properly!
The last year was impressive, but this year really shows FDEV coming back on track with the development of Elite. This makes me super happy and quite confident in the game's future. Let's go 3311 and beyond!
I feel like there is something really wrong under the hood if this is still not fixed. It's been a huge issue for a while that seems to constantly get sidelined.
going to need bigger tombstone soon\o/
O7
