Construction requirements matrix

[Tifu]

Still, I'm kinda hoping these are bugs of some sort rather badly-documented design choices (or poor comprehension on my part). Because if the numbers I've seen are representative then it looks as though Colonisation, like Fleet Carrier ownership before it, is another feature that I'll be priced out of by virtue of not having multiple hours per week to dedicate to the game.

The primary station won't cost any construction points but will need 15-35% more construction materials than listed - it's by design. The extra material is needed to lay down some basic infra for the whole system - it won't be needed again in succeeding constructions.

For solo players, it's recommended to start first with an outpost.

 

[Dormant account - pls delete]

The second problem, which is that all of the commodity requirements are significantly higher than those "advertised" on the pick-a-Port screen. In some cases, such as Steel and CMM Composites, the requirements are more than 4x the original quote. There's no way I'm going to be able to pull off those sorts of logistics in four weeks on my tod, so I guess that's a few million credits up the Swanee. Annoying but hey, it's a beta.

Still, I'm kinda hoping these are bugs of some sort rather badly-documented design choices

Mostly, and next week's release, according to the patch notes, will improve both the documentation screens and the UX/UI that you use to browse through the possibilities. So it might be worth you reassessing all these points late next week once it's patched. (But I guess that means you need to find another system and start again...)

(or poor comprehension on my part). Because if the numbers I've seen are representative then it looks as though Colonisation, like Fleet Carrier ownership before it, is another feature that I'll be priced out of by virtue of not having multiple hours per week to dedicate to the game.

The workaround for this is to build an Orbital first which removes the time limit. You can take six months to do your second build if you like. For instance I started my Space Farm and then went away IRL for two weeks so there was no progress beyond the first night's 11% at all. I've said in another thread somewhere it might be cool to start a Squadron where we expect stuff to take months, and help each other out a bit.

Ian Doncaster and others have written some good stuff on here about how it's basically impossible to have a perfect solution where players who average under 10 hours a week can have a level of "good experience" the same as players who play full-time and are in a Squadron. It's basically impossible to achieve that balance. I personally think FDev have done a pretty good job of that (and I am in the < 10 hours a week cohort.)

The primary station won't cost any construction points but will need 15-35% more construction materials than listed - it's by design.

Aye but Jack says it's four times as much (ie 400%) which is quite a different problem. @Jack Schitt what kind of Station was this specifically?

 

[Jack Schitt]

For solo players, it's recommended to start first with an outpost.

I was this >< close to doing that, but because the game seemed happy for me to start with a Coriolis, even though that seemed to be at odds with the Tier system, my curiosity got the better of me. Or should that be the 'beta' of me, heheh.

Aye but Jack says it's four times as much (ie 400%) which is quite a different problem. @Jack Schitt what kind of Station was this specifically?

Basic Coriolis, no trusses.

Idiotically I forgot to enable video capture before starting all of this so the only accurate numbers I have are for after I deployed the construction ship. But from memory, the largest commodity requirements I recall seeing on the "pick a Port" screen were for Steel and CMM Composite, and they were both in the region of 6000-6500. I remember thinking that was just about doable solo, 8-9 runs per commodity with a maxed out T9.

But now the the build is active the requirements are a whopping 20363 for Steel and 13768 for CMM Composite. Assuming my largest starting figure of 6500 for each that puts them at 313% and 212% of my original quotes respectively. (And 145% and 122% of the values from the table at the start of this thread, which sort of fits with a starting station premium of 35% if it's an average).

Unless I radically misinterpreted that original station selection screen, which is always a possibility, it almost looks as though the game may have still been showing me the requirements for an Outpost when I switched to the page for the Coriolis. I guess that's the thing that underpins this all: with no Tier 2 or Tier 3 Construction Points, should I ever have been able to select a Tier 2 Coriolis as my starting station? Because if that's a bug, all of the other issues may flow from that.

 

[Tifu]

I was this >< close to doing that, but because the game seemed happy for me to start with a Coriolis, even though that seemed to be at odds with the Tier system, my curiosity got the better of me. Or should that be the 'beta' of me, heheh.

FD will be dropping a huge patch this coming Wednesday to revamp the system-station colonization dynamics. Servers will be down for 8 hours.

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Lots of changes so feel free to ask questions in that thread concerning your system

 

[Jack Schitt]

FD will be dropping a huge patch this coming Wednesday to revamp the system-station colonization dynamics. Servers will be down for 8 hours.

Yep, another thread I could have done with seeing before I waded in. Given that I haven't had much free time to play ED for months, it looks as though I chose the worst possible time to come back and play around with a beta feature!

I did notice this in the patch notes on that thread...

• Fixed incorrect images being shown in facility construction selector

...and while it could be something unrelated with similar language, I'm wondering if this might be connected with my theory that I was seeing Outpost requirements on a Coriolis screen. Still not sure why it allowed me to start T2 construction with no Construction Points though. I would report it as a bug, but I understand so little of what I'm doing with this feature it's still about 95% likely to be me that's screwed up rather than the game.

At least it doesn't take long to make 25,000,000 credits with a bit of bounty hunting these days, so the credit loss if I have to write that system off should be largely irrelevant.

 

[CMDR MAIN SEQUENCE]

Still not sure why it allowed me to start T2 construction with no Construction Points though. I would report it as a bug, but I understand so little of what I'm doing with this feature it's still about 95% likely to be me that's screwed up rather than the game.

As Tifu said previously, there are no restrictions on the primary port.

 

[Jack Schitt]

As Tifu said previously, there are no restrictions on the primary port.

Yep, missed that even after I'd Liked the post. I told you I didn't have a clue. Really wishing I'd done some gardening this weekend instead of playing spacemen.

 

[SteveWW57]

Yep, missed that even after I'd Liked the post. I told you I didn't have a clue. Really wishing I'd done some gardening this weekend instead of playing spacemen.

Trust me bro, you are better off playing Elite. I have been helping the wife in the garden recently, gardening is not an activity I have any interest in. If it was up to me, it would be all paved over to avoid the effort.

 

[Great Phantom]

Here are commodities requirements for all construction types

OUTPOSTS	Outpost commercial	Outpost industrial	Outpost criminal	Outpost civilian	Outpost scientific	Outpost military
Ceramic composites	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​
CMM composite	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​	3912​
Computer components	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​
Copper	218​	218​	218​	218​	218​	218​
Food cartridgers	94​	94​	94​	94​	94​	94​
Fruit and vegetables	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​	50​
Insulating membrane	311​	311​	311​	311​	311​	311​
Liquid oxygen	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​	1553​
Medical diagnostic equipment	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​
Non-lethal weapons	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​	13​
Polymers	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​	497​
Power generators	19​	19​	19​	19​	19​	19​
Semiconductors	56​	56​	56​	56​	56​	56​
Steel	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​	5588​
Superconductors	100​	100​	100​	100​	100​	100​
Titanium	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​	4843​
Water	621​	621​	621​	621​	621​	621​
Water purifiers	38​	38​	38​	38​	38​	38​
TOTAL	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​	18473​

STARPORTS	Coriolis	Asteroid	Ocellus	Orbis
Aluminum	10055​	10055​	40220​	40220​
Ceramic composites	1207​	1207​	4828​	4828​
CMM composite	11261​	11261​	45044​	45044​
Computer components	145​	145​	290​	290​
Copper	644​	644​	2576​	2576​
Food cartridgers	242​	242​	484​	484​
Fruit and vegetables	145​	145​	290​	290​
Insulating membrane	644​	644​	1288​	1288​
Liquid oxygen	3781​	3781​	15124​	15124​
Medical diagnostic equipment	25​	25​	50​	50​
Non-lethal weapons	25​	25​	50​	50​
Polymers	1046​	1046​	2092​	2092​
Power generators	65​	65​	130​	130​
Semiconductors	161​	161​	322​	322​
Steel	14076​	14076​	56304​	56304​
Superconductors	282​	282​	564​	564​
Titanium	8205​	8205​	32820​	32820​
Water	1609​	1609​	6436​	6436​
Water purifiers	105​	105​	210​	210​
TOTAL	53723​	53723​	209122​	209122​

INSTALLATIONS

Satellite

Communication station

Space farm

Pirate base

Mining outpost

Relay station

Military installation

Security station

Government installation

Medical installation

Research station

Tourist

Bar

Advanced catalysers

44​

Agri-medicines

115​

Aluminum

1322​

1322​

842​

1233​

921​

1033​

1317​

1774​

1959​

1357​

1380​

1269​

1217​

Animal meat

78​

38​

Basic medicines

24​

50​

13​

Battle weapons

23​

30​

19​

Beer

380​

389​

497​

Bioreducing lichen

172​

Biowaste

153​

Ceramic composites

85​

85​

77​

95​

86​

98​

238​

122​

154​

155​

157​

130​

125​

CMM composite

356​

Coffee

130​

63​

Combat stabilisers

48​

25​

19​

Computer components

22​

22​

12​

19​

13​

25​

42​

31​

13​

31​

38​

13​

13​

Copper

85​

85​

46​

57​

52​

88​

131​

122​

93​

112​

126​

78​

75​

Crop harvesters

77​

Fish

39​

19​

Food cartridgers

26​

26​

46​

61​

52​

30​

107​

37​

93​

75​

76​

Fruit and vegetables

9​

9​

69​

16​

18​

10​

48​

13​

37​

50​

26​

65​

38​

Geological equipment

26​

26​

Grain

92​

H.E. Suits

13​

25​

32​

Insulating membrane

106​

106​

192​

95​

129​

122​

178​

183​

247​

309​

314​

259​

249​

Liquid oxygen

678​

678​

1071​

911​

1028​

780​

1424​

1458​

1479​

1727​

1506​

1813​

1738​

Liquor

228​

195​

311​

Medical diagnostic equipment

99​

51​

Micro Controllers

13​

13​

18​

13​

Military grade fabrics

36​

19​

Muon imager

43​

38​

Non-lethal weapons

19​

13​

Pesticides

123​

Polymers

170​

170​

230​

190​

215​

195​

416​

243​

370​

371​

377​

324​

311​

Power generators

9​

9​

8​

8​

9​

10​

18​

13​

13​

19​

13​

13​

13​

Reactive armor

23​

30​

Resonating separators

22​

Robotics

60​

Semiconductors

34​

34​

39​

51​

Steel

2542​

2542​

1912​

1707​

2141​

2437​

2966​

3645​

3080​

3084​

3136​

2589​

2483​

Superconductors

60​

60​

59​

88​

Tea

259​

187​

Titanium

1525​

1525​

1453​

1594​

1628​

1755​

2373​

2309​

2341​

2282​

2383​

1813​

1738​

Water

22​

22​

173​

65​

73​

25​

238​

31​

154​

278​

157​

324​

311​

Water purifiers

13​

13​

31​

16​

22​

15​

42​

19​

31​

38​

38​

39​

38​

Wine

259​

621​

TOTAL

6721​

6721​

6607​

6721​

6723​

6721​

10080​

10082​

10077​

10081​

10039​

10078​

10085​

PLANETARY PORT	Outpost Civilian	Outpost Industrial	Outpost Scientific	Planetary port
Aluminum	7047​	7047​	7047​	42282​
Building fabricators	407​	407​	407​	2442​
Ceramic composites	814​	814​	814​	4884​
CMM composite	6776​	6776​	6776​	40656​
Computer components	102​	102​	102​	408​
Copper	407​	407​	407​	2442​
Emergency power cells	68​	68​	68​	272​
Evacuation shelter	204​	204​	204​	816​
Food cartridgers	136​	136​	136​	544​
Fruit and vegetables	95​	95​	95​	380​
Land enrichment systems	68​	68​	68​	272​
Liquid oxygen	2372​	2372​	2372​	14232​
Medical diagnostic equipment	48​	48​	48​	192​
Non-lethal weapons	34​	34​	34​	136​
Polymers	678​	678​	678​	2712​
Power generators	68​	68​	68​	272​
Semiconductors	102​	102​	102​	408​
Steel	10164​	10164​	10164​	60984​
Structural regulators	678​	678​	678​	2712​
Superconductors	136​	136​	136​	544​
Surface stabilisers	610​	610​	610​	3660​
Survival equipment	55​	55​	55​	220​
Titanium	5760​	5760​	5760​	34560​
TOTAL	36829​	36829​	36829​	216030​

PLANETARY SETTLEMENT

Settlement agricultural small

Settlement agricultural medium

Settlement agricultural large

Settlement extraction small

Settlement extraction medium

Settlement extraction large

Settlement industrial small

Settlement industrial medium

Settlement industrial large

Settlement military small

Settlement military medium

Settlement military large

Settlement research bio small

Settlement research bio medium

Settlement research bio large

Settlement tourism small

Settlement tourism medium

Settlement tourism large

Advanced catalysers

41​

82​

123​

95​

190​

285​

Agri-medicines

Aluminum

559​

1118​

1677​

632​

1264​

1896​

585​

1170​

1755​

593​

1186​

1779​

607​

1214​

1821​

509​

1018​

1527​

Animal meat

71​

142​

213​

Basic medicines

36​

72​

108​

14​

28​

42​

Battle weapons

24​

48​

72​

Beer

311​

622​

933​

Bioreducing lichen

162​

324​

486​

Biowaste

280​

560​

840​

Building fabricators

42​

84​

126​

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

60​

120​

180​

54​

108​

162​

29​

58​

87​

Ceramic composites

28​

56​

84​

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

60​

120​

180​

41​

82​

123​

43​

86​

129​

CMM composite

356​

712​

1068​

Coffee

71​

142​

213​

Combat stabilisers

36​

72​

108​

Computer components

14​

28​

42​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

42​

84​

126​

41​

82​

123​

15​

30​

45​

Copper

21​

42​

63​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

30​

60​

90​

34​

68​

102​

22​

44​

66​

Crop harvesters

210​

420​

630​

Emergency power cells

84​

168​

252​

96​

192​

288​

28​

56​

84​

24​

48​

72​

27​

54​

81​

15​

30​

45​

Evacuation shelter

14​

28​

42​

30​

60​

90​

21​

42​

63​

36​

72​

108​

27​

54​

81​

22​

44​

66​

Fish

36​

72​

108​

Food cartridgers

42​

84​

126​

45​

90​

135​

41​

82​

123​

36​

72​

108​

41​

82​

123​

Fruit and vegetables

63​

126​

189​

30​

60​

90​

28​

56​

84​

24​

48​

72​

27​

54​

81​

71​

142​

213​

Geological equipment

52​

104​

156​

27​

54​

81​

Grain

77​

154​

231​

H.E. Suits

15​

30​

45​

14​

28​

42​

27​

54​

81​

Insulating membrane

Land enrichment systems

70​

140​

210​

Liquid oxygen

224​

448​

672​

177​

354​

531​

272​

544​

816​

172​

344​

516​

351​

702​

1053​

227​

454​

681​

Liquor

128​

256​

384​

Medical diagnostic equipment

41​

82​

123​

Microbial furnaces

82​

164​

246​

Micro Controllers

14​

28​

42​

12​

24​

36​

14​

28​

42​

Military grade fabrics

24​

48​

72​

Mineral extractors

164​

328​

492​

Muon imager

45​

90​

135​

95​

190​

285​

Non-lethal weapons

Pesticides

126​

252​

378​

Polymers

91​

182​

273​

118​

236​

354​

109​

218​

327​

119​

238​

357​

115​

230​

345​

114​

228​

342​

Power generators

Reactive armor

24​

48​

72​

Resonating separators

14​

28​

42​

Robotics

59​

118​

177​

55​

110​

165​

Semiconductors

14​

28​

42​

21​

42​

63​

Steel

768​

1536​

2304​

1028​

2056​

3084​

1019​

2038​

3057​

949​

1898​

2847​

945​

1890​

2835​

707​

1414​

2121​

Structural regulators

56​

112​

168​

74​

148​

222​

68​

136​

204​

101​

202​

303​

81​

162​

243​

57​

114​

171​

Superconductors

14​

28​

42​

21​

42​

63​

Surface stabilisers

56​

112​

168​

89​

178​

267​

68​

136​

204​

60​

120​

180​

81​

162​

243​

57​

114​

171​

Survival equipment

14​

28​

42​

15​

30​

45​

14​

28​

42​

24​

48​

72​

14​

28​

42​

15​

30​

45​

Tea

170​

340​

510​

Thermal cooling units

14​

28​

42​

Titanium

Water

Water purifiers

Wine

156​

312​

468​

TOTAL

2839​

5678​

8517​

2845​

5690​

8535​

2804​

5608​

8412​

2842​

5684​

8526​

2746​

5492​

8238​

2690​

5380​

8070​

PLANETARY HUB	Extraction hub	Civilian hub	Exploration hub	Outpost hub	Scientific hub	Military hub	Refinery hub	Hightech hub	Industrial hub
Advanced catalysers					170​		112​
Agri-medicines		235​
Aluminum	2352​	2433​	2483​	2797​	2581​	2414​	2697​	2512​	2407​
Basic medicines					72​	109​
Battle weapons						42​
Bioreducing lichen	714​
Biowaste		630​
Building fabricators	210​	84​	89​	290​	178​	333​	233​	135​	208​
Ceramic composites	252​	126​	134​	145​	223​	375​	279​	225​	249​
CMM composite						333​		270​	166​
Combat stabilisers						25​
Computer components	38​	21​	49​	25​	67​	75​	42​	68​	38​
Copper	84​	68​	178​	78​	112​	105​	93​	113​	83​
Crop harvesters		210​
Emergency power cells	42​	42​	45​	49​	63​	63​	47​	59​	42​
Evacuation shelter	51​	68​	36​	49​	36​	75​	56​	45​	50​
Food cartridgers	51​	68​	54​	174​	54​	125​	56​	54​	50​
Fruit and vegetables	34​	42​	36​	87​	36​	42​	38​	36​	34​
Geological equipment	210​		621​		401​
H.E. Suits	126​		249​		156​		117​		83​
Land enrichment systems		126​
Medical diagnostic equipment					161​
Microbial furnaces									415​
Micro Controllers					49​	55​		90​	50​
Military grade fabrics						42​
Mineral extractors									415​
Muon imager	160​				107​
Pesticides		378​
Polymers	672​	630​	666​	724​	712​	708​	744​	673​	664​
Power generators	26​	26​	32​	25​	36​	38​	28​	27​	25​
Reactive armor						42​
Resonating separators							84​
Robotics	252​						419​	449​	332​
Semiconductors					72​			108​	75​
Steel	3359​	3775​	3547​	4051​	3560​	3746​	3720​	3768​	3320​
Structural regulators	504​	336​	267​	338​	445​	542​	465​	404​	498​
Superconductors					72​			108​	75​
Surface stabilisers	756​	588​	1419​	1061​	534​	583​	558​	539​	498​
Survival equipment	26​	38​	18​	29​	27​	50​	28​	27​	25​
Thermal cooling units							103​	211​	117​
TOTAL	9919​	9689​	9923​	9922​	9754​	9922​	9807​	9921​	9919​

Fantastic!

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Check in game by clicking on the construction contact, not all values may be accurate.