New ship: Panther Clipper

[Kallipar]

My take on PC2 is by running the quickest of calculations pro rata against the T9. David Braben stated on 'X' it would just fit in the station slot, which gives about very, very approx. a max 200m wide and 50 deep. Considering the Cutter only just fits longitudinally at 193m on the large pad, then we can assume the max length is also 200M.

Pro rata this gives an absolute max! of 3500 tonnes disregarding anything else.
So the ship just using the T9 as a base comparison by dimensions would be approx 2500 tonnes capacity. This is is kinda in the ball-park of the PC from 'Frontiers'. I would therfore suggest that it takes 1500 tonnes loaded with shields and 2100 - 2500 for completely unshielded.

 

[Doctor Dread]

At least 2k, the crowds shout!

Spoiler: LOUD

 

[Rubbernuke]

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The most relevant question here I think is though is what do the ship design dept. consider the main roles of this ship in the game will be, what is the overall design going to end up as.
Frontier were well aware that (some) players wanted this ship to be re-instated back into the current game, have they also already decided what that role will be?...or is it presently a hot potato and are waiting to see players thoughts and suggestions are around this topic before finally releasing the ship.

Agility?...are we thinking in terms of general combat?
I personally see it being used as a type of shuttle with a humongous cargo capacity compared to the T9 or Cutter, (around 2000t - 2500t clean cargo capacity) in it's main role, for obvious reasons.
As for outright speed I agree, slow, and armed perhaps in a more of a defensive role, plenty of weapons placed all around the hull for example but but not having them concentrated so much for forward firing. That would also depend on it's agility in this respect, if the agility is low I can't see the point in placing large weapons (except for perhaps missiles) in those forward weapons slots (if it has any slots there).


Jack

Agility as in how it handles in SC and conventionally- for example the massive swivel thrusters allowing for much better general movement laterally, horizontally and vertically.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

I got morbidly curious and looked here again...
Do any of you know MATHEMATICS?

Not really. Math is irrelevant here, this is not a "simulator" like Kerbal so I simply do not care about the mathmatics. It can haul whatever they say it can haul, the more the better.

This isn't rocket science! Its a game!

Did you just say this after posting mathematical rocket equations lol? I'm confused.

they just prowl the forums arguing that the panther clipper should have 6969t cargo space...

Hmm I see your point, it would be simpler to just round up to 7,000 tons

 

[Robert Maynard]

Hmm I see your point, it would be simpler to just round up to 7,000 tons

In which case it would handle worse than the Type-9 in normal space when fully laden, and its jump range would be pitiful....

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Yeah, never thought it would be the Panther Clipper (of all things) that would inspire one of the longest (nearly 600 pages now) and most varied of ship threads!

I think (other than perhaps the cobra IV making it to general sale) The panther clipper has been the most requested ship since game launch. FD finally announcing it was always gonna get some peoples peckers up

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

In which case it would handle worse than the Type-9 in normal space when fully laden, and its jump range would be pitiful....

That's fine with me because all it's going to be used for is going from station to my FC parked in the same system. We just need a colonization mule in the worst way right now.

However doesn't this thing have a gillion engines and thrusters for it's size? Like way more than any other ship in the inventory right now. So maybe it will be fine

 

[Ashnak]

This clearly has 4 Main Segments, clearly for the Cargo.
I'd say, that's 4 Class 9 Cargo Racks, for 2,048 Tons of Cargo.

I'd say four class 8's - T-9 and iCutter only got two. And the ususal complement of smaller compartments, adding up to another ~512 tons. (two 7's, two 6's - mostly paired in twos from the ship's symmetry, with hopefully 3 class 1 compartments for ADC, SCA and DSS). So maybe 1500 and change tons using all available space for cargo.

 

[Ashnak]

and its jump range would be pitiful....

Well, at least 10.5 ly once you add a Guardian booster.

 

[Robert Maynard]

That's fine with me because all it's going to be used for is going from station to my FC parked in the same system. We just need a colonization mule in the worst way right now.

However doesn't this thing have a gillion engines and thrusters for it's size? Like way more than any other ship in the inventory right now. So maybe it will be fine

Not everyone has a Carrier to use the ship on short voyages only.

While the thruster arrangement on the PC Mk II is substantial, and unless new module sizes are released with the ship, the ship will only have up to size 8 thrusters and size 7 FSD.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

i am wondering if i should keep some materials to 1 side just in case they release an entire new class of drive for it.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

Not everyone has a Carrier to use the ship on short voyages only.

Okay but then they are free to use FSD boosters and/or not fully load the ship with cargo. Right? It's not like there's no options, options are good imo.

I would just like the option to make the thing a floating dump-truck lol.

 

[Tifu]

600th post - @Rubbernuke

 

[vicwarrior]

Am i the only one who is sorta concerned that the community is excited to reward the devs for selling them a ship with a larger cargo hold after the devs designed a feature that can only be engaged with by hauling for endless hours?


Im a sucker for industrial ships, under different circumstances id be celebrating it, but it feels like we are sliding into scummy dev and monetization practices...

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Am i the only one who is sorta concerned that the community is excited to reward the devs for selling them a ship with a larger cargo hold after the devs designed a feature that can only be engaged with by hauling for endless hours?


Im a sucker for industrial ships, under different circumstances id be celebrating it, but it feels like we are sliding into scummy dev and monetization practices...

if the ship was going to stay behind a paywall i would fully agree........ however so long as it makes it into the game for credits in a reasonable time frame (what is reasonable is open to debate of course) I personally am willing to give the benefit of the doubt but i do see where you are coming from.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

Am i the only one who is sorta concerned that the community is excited to reward the devs for selling them a ship with a larger cargo hold after the devs designed a feature that can only be engaged with by hauling for endless hours?


Im a sucker for industrial ships, under different circumstances id be celebrating it, but it feels like we are sliding into scummy dev and monetization practices...

If that was the whole point then this ship would have taken the place of the Corsair. Because that was during peak "OMG HOW MANY TRIPS FOR A SPACE STATION!!!??!???".

The money for these ships is trivial to be honest, and they are NOT using loot-boxes or other gacha mechanics to access them. So no, we're not sliding into scummy dev practices and people need to get over the fact that FDEV is making a product here.

 

[Rubbernuke]

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Spacing Guild regarding the Panther Clipper

 

[Morbad]

Does it really matter how well the ship handles or how protected it is? Unless it's so slow to rotate in SC that it appreciably compromises travel times, it will be able to serve it's purpose of carrying more crap than anything else simply by carrying more crap than anything else.

It also doesn't need to carry anywhere near as much cargo as some are suggesting it could or should to serve it's purpose. Hell, if it's got 32t more than the next highest capacity option, people are going to be tripping over themselves to have one. I think it will have more than that, but no so much more that they can't sell two or five upgraded versions in the Arx store later.

Do any of you know MATHEMATICS?!

Well, I'm neither fazed nor phased by THAC0 (basic subtraction)...

Look here!...

I really tried very hard to get my head around general mathematics at school, I even had private tutoring by my maths teacher to try and get me to pass my final exams when I was 16 yrs (I only just scraped through on a low cert.).
I personally think it was because at a very early age (about 7yrs old) I was ridiculed by one teacher and pulled out in front of the whole class, not for getting my sums wrong but by writing the answers down on the printed maths homework form, instead of a separate piece of paper. That was over 65 years ago, and I was also slapped on the back of my legs too for it! ...
My maths teacher (though she was a general teacher, not specifically for maths) was, I've gotta say it a nasty old crone who smelled bad, and generally miserable most days!
I seriously think this was the real cause of my inability later on to understand maths, for before this episode I was quite comfortable with general maths and was quite high up in the class compared to the other pupils, until this 'teacher' came along.
It was only when I went into engineering later in life that I took more of an interest in it, mainly to accomplish practical projects, and in certain home projects and hobbies etc.
But I still have a kinda mental block with some aspects of mathematics generally speaking. It's ironic that my son at university obtained his first class degrees in mathematics and physics at Cambridge, and is now a Dr in those general fields, and a scientist in many others.

As a victim/survivor/escapee of American public education I can sympathise with the frustrations of enduring inept teachers and counterproductive forms of pedagogy. Personally, I did ok in math, but I failed multiple years of art, music, English, Spanish and physical education. On the plus side, my experience completely stripped me of any pretense of work ethic (my grades seemed far more dependent on the personal fiat of my supposed teachers than any amount of effort), indeed so alienated me from the concept of working for anyone or anything other than myself, that I've never had any use for the credentials they declined to give me after I stopped showing up.

On a side note, my advice for all of those who have already failed at late-stage capitalism (by having the temerity to not be born rich), is to do these three things to become successful:

• Cook your own food.
• Cut your own hair.
• Trade all externalized vices (like substance abuse and ostentatious materialism, which are expensive) for internalized ones (teetotalism and the associated smug sense of superiority, for example, is free).
• Marry a doctor.

Now I'm thinking about writing and self-publishing a self-help book to help offset the cost of all these tariffs.

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Spacing Guild regarding the Panther Clipper

I think Frontier is about fart in a lot of navigator's spice tanks.

 

[aRJay]

I'd say four class 8's - T-9 and iCutter only got two. And the ususal complement of smaller compartments, adding up to another ~512 tons. (two 7's, two 6's - mostly paired in twos from the ship's symmetry, with hopefully 3 class 1 compartments for ADC, SCA and DSS). So maybe 1500 and change tons using all available space for cargo.

I would like it to be a ship that made us consider how we fitted it out.
So eight class 8 slots and a single class 1 for the planetary approach suite.

Well, at least 10.5 ly once you add a Guardian booster.

At the cost of 256 tonnes of cargo.

 

[Ashnak]

On a side note, my advice for all of those who have already failed at late-stage capitalism (by having the temerity to not be born rich), is to do these three things to become successful:

• Cook your own food.
• Cut your own hair.
• Trade all externalized vices (like substance abuse and ostentatious materialism, which are expensive) for internalized ones (teetotalism and the associated smug sense of superiority, for example, is free).
• Marry a doctor.

Sounds like RAH.
As for your third point - growing your own is simple. I got fresh parsley, leeks and tomatoes right outside my window.