Our old ships

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

Currency conversion is dead easy, you can just plug it into Google.

We don’t pay VAT of second hand cars, it was paid when the car was new.

And also you do pay sales tax on the US which, in some states at least, is paid on second had cars.



Of course, that’s why Africa is full of Broncos and the Australians love them. Oh, wait…

VAT, your fuel costs, and other things induce inflation, meaning people have to sell their cars for more than they would have had to. This is kind of basic economics.

We've experienced this ourselves as of late here in the US which has impacted the used vehicle market.

Of course, that’s why Africa is full of Broncos and the Australians love them. Oh, wait…

Australia makes it basically impossible to sell our vehicles there so....whatever, that was stupid. And right, I'm sure Africa - one of the poorest places on Earth - is just swimming in your posh bougie Land Rovers lol. You're being so myopic, there's got to be a more objective way to decide this. Like aren't there off-road races and such where these brands compete?

 

[Koma Pahu]

VAT, your fuel costs, and other things induce inflation, meaning people have to sell their cars for more than they would have had to. This is kind of basic economics.

We've experienced this ourselves as of late here in the US which has impacted the used vehicle market.

Why are you talking about VAT?

 

[Koma Pahu]

VAT, your fuel costs, and other things induce inflation, meaning people have to sell their cars for more than they would have had to. This is kind of basic economics.

I wouldn’t start lecturing people about economics, you clearly don’t have a great understanding of it.

This isn’t the thread for explaining economics, and not really the place for discussing cars tbh. As I’m trying to avoid love letters from the mods, I’m going to tap out here.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

I made a joke about old ships in Elite and threw out a "1986 Bronco" off the top of my head. To which some people decided to start a weird nationalistic attack on American car makers. I didn't ask for any of this....

But yeah, if you don't think raising the cost of living raises prices....I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that.

 

[alexzk]

Finally I got my friend to the Elite. He plays week or 2. Alone/solo for now.
Guess what ? He tried old Cobra, than MK-5, than T8, today he explained to me exact plan for all his ships later, and all of them are new ones.
So, new players do not consider old ships at all. Pity.

 

[SergMx]

Finally I got my friend to the Elite. He plays week or 2. Alone/solo for now.
Guess what ? He tried old Cobra, than MK-5, than T8, today he explained to me exact plan for all his ships later, and all of them are new ones.
So, new players do not consider old ships at all. Pity.

I guessed that. And I keep warning you here on the forum. But some of the old players for some reason reject it and write that everything is fine as it is

 

[Felix DiCestria]

I made a joke about old ships in Elite and threw out a "1986 Bronco" off the top of my head. To which some people decided to start a weird nationalistic attack on American car makers. I didn't ask for any of this....

But yeah, if you don't think raising the cost of living raises prices....I don't know what to tell you. Good luck with that.

Clutching at straws about a vehicle that's unheard of outside the US isn't doing you any favours. You want to compare it to any of the Japanese SUVs, fine they're common enough here that we've got a chance of figuring out what you're talking about.

 

[Starshot_Jigawatts]

Clutching at straws about a vehicle that's unheard of outside the US isn't doing you any favours. You want to compare it to any of the Japanese SUVs, fine they're common enough here that we've got a chance of figuring out what you're talking about.

Ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a problem on mine. You seem pretty hostile over this and won't let it go. What is going on here? If someone made an analogy of a ship in Elite like I did, but used a Land Rover instead of Bronco - I wouldn't come flying in going "Muahahah what a piece of junk" like you have. So what is your problem exactly?

However no worries, since you apparently need help learning to Google (another American made product) - all future ship analogies made by me will be 'obscure' American car brands. o7.

 

[Doctor Dread]

Finally I got my friend to the Elite. He plays week or 2. Alone/solo for now.
Guess what ? He tried old Cobra, than MK-5, than T8, today he explained to me exact plan for all his ships later, and all of them are new ones.
So, new players do not consider old ships at all. Pity.

Quite logical, they don't have our emotional connections to the old ships. And there's nothing wrong with that.
The new ships are great so let the new guys enjoy.

I guessed that. And I keep warning you here on the forum. But some of the old players for some reason reject it and write that everything is fine as it is

Warning us? On what disaster? That the new ships will be better than the old ones, so we might prefer them?

The old ones stay with us, pimped up and loved, and we know them inside-out. So if you wish to fly your old ship, no one is preventing you. Hoooray!
The new ones have to be better, as simple as that. Otherwise it's meaningless.
But you have a choice - go with the new one, or the old one you know exactly what it can do. You have them all at your disposal.

I honestly don't understand your problem.

 

[Koma Pahu]

I guessed that. And I keep warning you here on the forum. But some of the old players for some reason reject it and write that everything is fine as it is

I went from a Sidewinder straight to a DBX because that was the ship I wanted from the day I discovered the concept art. I flew that ship exclusively for an age before I started collecting the other ships to see what I could do with them.

If a non-native-SCO ship is the best choice for a particular game loop, I’m sure they’ll figure it out eventually just like we did.

And why do you care what ships other people chose to use?

 

[varonica]

Australia makes it basically impossible to sell our vehicles there so....

Let's point out that every single car in Australia is imported, every, single, one. We have no local car building industry, zero, not even car assembling, nothing, so if it's impossible to sell your cars here that's a you problem. I mean we don't even require catalytic converters, we have the weakest vehicle emission regulation in the western world, even the regulations we have are voluntary and there are no penalties for exceeding them! There are no compulsory fuel efficiency requirements, only voluntary with no penalties for exceeding them. If you can't sell cars in Australia you know why don't you, it's because your cars are rubbish compared to Japanese, European and Chinese cars.

It's not because of tariffs because we have had basically zero on cars since 2010 when they were reduced from 10%, it's less than 4% now and that applies to all cars from everywhere (well at least before Trump!) You can't sell cars here because your cars are rubbish and overpriced, you are competing in a level playing field with every other car maker in the world, and you can't do it, if you can't compete on those terms that's your problem!

Rant over, lets get back to Elite Dangerous lol!

 

[Koma Pahu]

Australia makes it basically impossible to sell our vehicles there so....whatever, that was stupid. And right, I'm sure Africa - one of the poorest places on Earth - is just swimming in your posh bougie Land Rovers lol. You're being so myopic, there's got to be a more objective way to decide this.

Nice edit.

So, I’ll bite.

Veronica has said all that needs to be said about Australia.

And Africa is full of Land Rover and Land Cruiser, because they take the punishment of constant off-road/corrugated road driving.

Land Rovers are easier/cheaper to repair, Land Cruisers are more reliable but parts are more expensive even thought there’s dedicated factories in East Africa (I can’t remember which country right now) and in South Africa.

And the fact that you’re calling a Land Rover 90 posh, tells me you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

Like aren't there off-road races and such where these brands compete?

Sure, but you’re definitely in the world of bougie cars when you’re looking at race cars.

And I’m pretty sure no American car has ever won the Dakar Rally, as an example.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Ignorance on your part doesn't constitute a problem on mine. You seem pretty hostile over this and won't let it go. What is going on here? If someone made an analogy of a ship in Elite like I did, but used a Land Rover instead of Bronco - I wouldn't come flying in going "Muahahah what a piece of junk" like you have. So what is your problem exactly?

However no worries, since you apparently need help learning to Google (another American made product) - all future ship analogies made by me will be 'obscure' American car brands. o7.

As repeatedly stated it's not sold out of the US, we've never seen it except on a screen. Thus try to compare to something more familiar, the most common 4x4 here being the Land Rover or one of the Japanese equivalents. Once in a blue moon we might see a Jeep and thus understand what on Earth you're on about.
Something you might want to consider before accusing us of being 'nationalistic'; Ford has factories here, the Ford Transit is the standard by which vans are measured, the Fiesta is a well known small car, in the '80's the Ford Escort could be considered the standard family car. Ford executives didn't think the Bronco was good enough to attempt selling it in Europe...

 

[Koma Pahu]

I think the Land Rover is quite a good analogy, the more I think about it.

The new “Defender” is a beautiful, refined car that will drive you along at 70mph in comfort. It is also a superbly competent off-road vehicle. But it’s a hugely complex piece on machinery.

The real old Defender, is just about as basic as it can be - even after BMW got their hands on it it was less refined than my ‘96 Land Cruiser 90 series - it’ll break your teeth rattling along as it tries to reach 60mph on a smooth section of motorway. But there’s nothing that quite shares the same utilitarian niche, which is why it’s still popular amongst European overlanders and off-road enthusiasts.

For now at least, some of the old ships are still better at what they do than any SCO optimised ships, so will still have a spot in people’s rotations until they’re genuinely surpassed.