Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
If detected that would very likely result in the CMDR being banned from the game as such behaviour is in contravention of the EULA.
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This is what I thought, so highly unlikely then.
You can see that removing the need for account sharing, in addition to what Robert said, significantly lowers the threshold, yes? Right now it's dangerous. Being able to just "give" engineered ships to other players is quite a different beast.
Who said anything about giving? I am talking about selling them after making them, in game for in game credits. This has exactly nothing to do with anybody giving me real money whatsoever. Fdev can even set the in game price if they like.
selling for in-game credits is essentially "giving". Credits are completely meaningless. And on the topic of the thread, putting engineered ships into a Vanguard's stock is literally "giving it away".
Except it isn't. The fact that credits are easy to get is irrelevant and does not mean anything is being given away.
nothing IS being given away because right now it is between dangerous and impossible. Putting engineered ships in a Vanguard's stock or allowing them to sell for credits (who sets the price anyway? The seller? 100Cr engineered ship incoming!) opens the flood gates for gold sellers.
Then if nothing is being given away the statement that it is because "credits are easy to get" is false.
As I said fdev themselves can set the in game cost depending on the level of engineering. Can we set the prices for the non engineered ships we will be able to sell? No? Then why would we be able to set prices for engineered ones? An algorithm could calculate it and add extra credits for engineered ships, no problem.
Its happened in other games and ruined them
Only if they have the materials and engineer unlocks, in which case they wouldn't be paying for it.
Its not paranoid or hysteria its gaming Fact.
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credits are still meaningless.
And as the mod has pointed out it's also a bannable offence to pay another player IRL to do anything for them in game. And as I have pointed out there are far more time consuming and important things than a bit of engineering that people could already try to pay someone for. Therefore, as this is not a massive problem in the game right now, as there is not an epidemic of people paying others in IRL at the moment, I fail to see how adding engineered ships for sale changes this, when any player can buy one in game without paying anyone IRL to do it for them. The argument makes no sense.
you can try to close your eyes from that issue, plug your ears and go "lalalalala", but real world money transfers are a real issue, and lowering the threshold to doing shady stuff significantly is a thing that should be considered. And probably has been. And has been deemed a bad idea. Hence the restrictions.
I am not ignoring anything, I am asking you to show it is the big problem you are claiming it is, and how this will make it worse. You cannot do this so the problem is therefore no worse than it already is.
We can't prove it in this game because it hasn't happened.
Are you claiming Gold Farming doesn't happen, or that it isn't a problem. Or that the ED playerbase is whiter than the driven snow so they won't participate?
I am not saying that players do not already try to pay other players IRL to do things for them. But as the mod has already pointed out this is a bannable offence if detected and is not the epidemic that people are trying to say it as. No figures have been given by anyone.
What I am saying is I do not see how selling ships you have engineered yourself, on top of the non engineered ships you will already be able to sell, will make this problem any worse. Nobody has provided any evidence that this will happen, only their opinion that it will.
So you can stop trying to attach views to me that I don't hold any time now and either prove what you say is true or be told it's just your opinion.
In the absence of evidence for something that hasn't happened yet, at least provide some intelligent reasoning instead of paranoia and hysteria. Your call.
I'm saying that it's not an issue that it's against the EULA, that will stop no one doing it.
Allowing engineered ships to be sold, increases the chance of gold farming happening, clearly something that FDEV want to prevent.
I'm not trying to attach any views to you - you've stated that you think they should be sold, I've explained why they shouldn't. I think that's pretty clear.
Allowing engineered ships to be sold, increases the chance of gold farming happening, clearly something that FDEV want to prevent.
I'm not trying to attach any views to you - you've stated that you think they should be sold, I've explained why they shouldn't. I think that's pretty clear.
I have seen nothing from FDEV to say that this is their reasoning, so this is what you are guessing.
As for gold farming, breadbaking and other activities will already make you more than having an engineered ship, so this doesn't follow either.
Again, this is sidetracking. I do think they should be sold and don't think it will make anyone break the EULA more than anyone is already. Saying "it will happen because I think it will" is not convincing me.