Oh yeah, totally strong and over the top comparison - but it drives the point home i think.
Latest CG, the clearest example of P2W in ED to date?
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Oh yeah, totally strong and over the top comparison - but it drives the point home i think.
Fair doos. I've paid for a couple of the ships, but tbh let the last one (the corsair?) arrive naturally in its own good time.
TBH I find the P2W suggestions/criticisms a bit tenuous for games like ED, where there is no winning to be done, to my mind at least. It's a sandbox... erm... spacebox laid out for us to poodle around in and do what we feel. And hurrah for the pew pew zoom!
So the Panther is about a tenner. I could grab that on all my accounts for £30 for a couple of months before it would be available normally, or I could get a couple of alts with Vanguards looming...
Thank you for pointing that out. I've seen overinflated numbers of over 30 dollars being thrown around, from insinuating that the Stellar was the only option, to match-buying ARX for it (which is the least efficient way to buy ARX), to just exaggerating to push the discussion into a certain direction. Just unlocking the PC is around a tenner in all three currencies available in the store - 11.34 Euro, 9.22 Pounds, 13.47 Dollars if you buy the 25.5k ARX pack.
It's still money, but please, people, stop overexaggerating what you have to spend to be able to play with the PC just to make the P2W point stonger.
For transparancy: I bought the 51k ARX package for 30 Euro (getting 54k ARX) before the release of the PC because I know I am going to spend ARX on other stuff - I have bought this pack numerous times. So for the ARX I spent on the Stellar version I spent 21 Euro. The standard unlock would have been €10.50. I could have bought one ARX pack smaller but would have had almost no ARX left after getting the PC. The price for the PC would have been 22.68 Euro then, including the cosmetics that come with the Stellar.
For me, it doesn't really matter if its a tenner or a penny, its the principle damnnit!
I can agree to that. But overinflating numbers is always bad for the argument. Nothing wrong about arguing, but keep to the facts.
Ignoring the current CG, in my opinion I feel that with the introduction of paid ships, there's an element of pay to win these days anyway.
Especially when introducing a top-tier ship that outshines any other ship in it's category with x, y or z capabilities - be it trade slots, weapon slots, etc.
That being said, I think it's a 'natural' progression - though perhaps not necessarily welcome by all.
FD player numbers have been relatively stable and not increasing for a long time, and it's apparent to me (though not necessarily true from my own opinion) that FD are trying to make money to enable the longevity of the game. Which is fair enough.
The 'old' days of backers is long, long dead; the death of the DDF, for whatever it's reasons, was a signal for me of the game's change.
I think we have to live with it. FD need to keep the game going, so they need a new strategy. But I do agree that this is much in the favour of those who can reach into their pockets or already had ARX saved.
Elite: Dangerous has entered a new era; let's hope they continue.
Some would have us belive it's:
'The cash you gave me, nothing else can save me, SOS'
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I totally agree. it is textbook P2W.... Whether is crossed any personal lines is another argument all together (top 75% is still incredibly easy to get in with in game ships). but P2W doesn't need to be impossible for people who didn't pay to succeed. it just needs to be easier for those who do pay.
so yes. it's P2W ...... but for me personally so long as the goodies stay in the 75% bracket which is still achievable with my T9 then my toys are staying in my pram
put it this way
if you had to guess what ship the top 10 commanders in this CG were in, which ship would you bet on?
which isn't to say there may not be a dedicated player not in a clipper.... but in all probability it will be in a clipper
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I must admit, I haven't been paying that much attention to the forms these last couple of days. I did buy the panther clipper and in US money it came out to $37 and change. Took it home, set it up as a mining ship, haven't even had the opportunity yet to take it to Miss Farseer for any type of engineering work yet.
I really could have waited until it came out for free. I didn't really feel like waiting because I want to support elite dangerous to continue. This is my way of saying thank you for almost 10 years of fun.
Then I found out that there's a CG going on about more space inside your ship with different cargo racks that can be used in any other vessel besides the panther clipper. I am right now, with the clippers strip down to just cargo and a shield getting 980 tons per run.
I'm in the top 50%. I don't consider it pay to win because I'm working at this, not expecting a handout. I may not even bother getting up to the top 25%. In my personal opinion, everyone can win this particular prize just by doing the simplest of effort. And a lot of people seem to be enjoying it, including myself.
One other thing I'd like to add. Even if I had not bought the panther clipper I would still be doing this CG with my cutter.
I really could have waited until it came out for free. I didn't really feel like waiting because I want to support elite dangerous to continue. This is my way of saying thank you for almost 10 years of fun.
Then I found out that there's a CG going on about more space inside your ship with different cargo racks that can be used in any other vessel besides the panther clipper. I am right now, with the clippers strip down to just cargo and a shield getting 980 tons per run.
I'm in the top 50%. I don't consider it pay to win because I'm working at this, not expecting a handout. I may not even bother getting up to the top 25%. In my personal opinion, everyone can win this particular prize just by doing the simplest of effort. And a lot of people seem to be enjoying it, including myself.
One other thing I'd like to add. Even if I had not bought the panther clipper I would still be doing this CG with my cutter.
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You see what amazing stuff you miss out on when you skip days?!
I’ve only read the first few posts and last few on this thread. Me personally I bought with arx’s I had bought a while ago, and will buy more for the odd cosmetic and definitely new ships.
I do not think it’s pay to win or even the whole FOMO ( fear of missing out ) yamiks kept saying in his recent YouTube vid on elite (thought he didn’t like elite and wasn’t coming back ?), its pay to load and unload my carrier a little quicker. AND will be available for in game credits in a little while anyway so why even start this thread.
Also I think this is a good way to support the company , they’ve kept these servers going for how long now, staff time and electric for the servers alone I think I oue them something for that at least after how many years of playing. Let’s face it this game doesn’t have a huge crowd so how else they going to keep things going.
I do not think it’s pay to win or even the whole FOMO ( fear of missing out ) yamiks kept saying in his recent YouTube vid on elite (thought he didn’t like elite and wasn’t coming back ?), its pay to load and unload my carrier a little quicker. AND will be available for in game credits in a little while anyway so why even start this thread.
Also I think this is a good way to support the company , they’ve kept these servers going for how long now, staff time and electric for the servers alone I think I oue them something for that at least after how many years of playing. Let’s face it this game doesn’t have a huge crowd so how else they going to keep things going.
By doing what they said they would do initially. Regular paid-for DLCs with content updates, plus cosmetics.
200 quid for 2 free DLCs? Would you say it was worth it?
The show isn't over of course, FD could go on to release another 10 DLCs and then it would have been an absoloute bargain. If we get one more DLC, then no, it wasn't worth it.
If lifetime pass owners got early access to new ships without having to pay ARX, that might remove the sting a little.
Still, at least i got the Cobra Mk4.
not all the LEPs were the same price. Monetarily wise I am breaking even in terms of my LEP. admittedly I got carried away with stuff over and above that due to DBs pitch and how close the KSer was to failing. My disappointment is less financial and more that I still want to play the game that David Braben pitched.
but iirc in Kickstarter you could get the game and LEP for £70 ....... which I think the game (£20) and then 2 DLCs covers it.
but those who bought the horizons LEPits a different proposition all together. I bet the people who bought that absolutely love people who may have got the game in a deep discount sale telling them that they are being unreasonable and need to pay more to support Frontier
but iirc in Kickstarter you could get the game and LEP for £70 ....... which I think the game (£20) and then 2 DLCs covers it.
but those who bought the horizons LEPits a different proposition all together. I bet the people who bought that absolutely love people who may have got the game in a deep discount sale telling them that they are being unreasonable and need to pay more to support Frontier
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I only started in 2020 on PlayStation , bought for between $10 and $20 us if that, then ported over to pc for free and then bought odessey a few years ago. So I’ve only spent $30us total , so am happy to spent on arx’s as I originally mentioned.
It could be perceived as a reward but I think it's real intent is to entice people to buy it more than anything.
As to the question of P2W, P2A etc etc ec-ceter-ra, it's a big fat juicy nothing burger. Getting well placed in the CG might make you more credits. "But those nice new spangly shiney enhanced cargo racks?" - sorry, the end result is also credits. Anything with a net end result of making you credits, in this game, is not P2W - those credits have been flowing in huge amounts for many years. What a panther offers you in cargo space over one of the older ships is like a blip in the ocean.
I will conceed, in the context of the small bubble that is the launch of the Kitty Shaver Mk II and this.... ...CG, it does have an advantage in hauling power, that is undeniable.. ..but what does it lead to? It leads to eactly the same credits you can make from mining, trading, exploring, pvping, anti-xeno'ing.
If I had to think about the only 2 applications I would use a kitty shaver for, it would be as a tritum refueller or a colonozation mats hauler (and I'm not engaged in that for the moment).
Conclusion: I think it's ARX price is fair, but I still won't buy it. I think if it comes out in 3 months for credits, it's fair. I think the current issue with the kitty and this CG is a microcosm, not a macrocosm and should be treated as such - In 4 weeks everyone would have... ..would have. I forget what I was saying.
Money, Money, Money,Some would have us belive it's:
'The cash you gave me, nothing else can save me, SOS'
It's a rich mans' 'verse.