Things changing isn't the issue. Things changing for the worse is - and Discord is a worse platform for support and information preservation than an open web forum. It's hip, modern and gamers like it, but as an information platform it is just terrible. And, again: Closed off from the general public. There is nothing better about Discord over a forum.
Forum closing?
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Broski, you are missing my point
ive already said theye infos were there, just the way it gets posted on some channels and others not is what i am criticising here. An the forums always were a place where people would share such things. But frontier rather goes down the same route as bethesda devs, leaving the platform where the criticism is most vocal instead of actually fixing the issues and inconsistencies at their core.
I couldnt give a flying f about times changing and this and that. Frontier clearly doesnt care about anything related to making our experience or communication better
Yes, times change. I guess that's why we should have just accepted an inferior game when it came out and now accept an inferior Discord...because times have changed? That's a terrible excuse. Thankfully there's still a couple of independent forum based sites out there so we don't have to wade through the muck at Discord...
Here are all the places you can find Planet Coaster 2 news!
Website (and newsletters!): https://fron.dev/e27e
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/planetcoaster
TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@planetgamesofficial
Facebook: https://facebook.com/PlanetCoaster
Twitter: https://twitter.com/PlanetCoaster
Instagram: https://instagram.com/PlanetCoaster
Discord: https://discord.gg/frontierunlocked
Steam: https://steamcommunity.com/app/2688950
Twitch: https://twitch.tv/frontier
We also share info in places like the player-owned subreddits too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetCoaster/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetCoaster2/
Oh look at that, a community dev right here with us
what a rare sight to see.is there a reason why you post some news only on certain channels? For example unlocked has only been posted to youtube i think, i havents seen that posted neither to instagram nor here or anywhere else. Whats the reason for not posting such important news on ALL platforms at the same time?
So elven different places for information, as opposed to one forum.
Yup sounds like streamlining to me.....
Damn right!
Doesn't mean Discord can replace forums though, just like TikTok can't replace YouTube. The world is changing of course and companies need to move with it, but I don't see why we can't have both forums and discord, unless there is a financial reason behind this move.
HeatherG
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That's a bit uncalled for don't you think? Just because you don't see them posting all the time doesn't mean they don't look here.Oh look at that, a community dev right here with us
If people think they've ignored the forums you are very wrong. They do more work then you will ever know and it's an insult to think, or say, otherwise. I've been doing this for almost 7 years, trust me I know.
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Ozric
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No indeed. I don't understand the desire by gamers or companies to chose that path either, but I'm old and it does my ADHD in, however it's been a very noticeable trend in the last 5 years. I can't even think what the last game forum I signed up for was.
and where did i say that?
Sorry but i think you completely misunderstood my comment then.
And again, its not my fault that we dont even get answers for the most simple questions like this example shows once more
I can. This one
.But most of those big new release games are nothing like Planet Coaster2, 1 or PZ. Most of them don't involve the same level of sharing of creations individual players make. There's a far higher level of creativity involved, it's not just moving around in a pre-made world shooting at stuff or performing certain tasks. It involves creating most of that world itself. Those games don't always require the same opprotunities that forums provide the players of Planet games often do.
Yes, there are people who are satisfied with just building a coaster, and have no interest in building an actual park. There are some people who only are interested in performing whatever actions are required in a scenario, 'winning' it and going no further. Discord may well work for them.
But there are also people who spend months, even years, working on massive projects that create realistic theme park enviroments. They share their work and gather feedback usually in dedicated forum threads that they update fairly regularly. I'd argue that they often make up the backbone of the community as more casual players come and go, and they strengthen the community because they are there. Frontier doesn't seem to see that, just as they seem unable to see many other things lately.
Frontier is changed more so than many of those who play it's games I think.
Vampiro
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Like some other people over here I'm a bit dissapointed the Planco 2 forums are closing. @Nemmie made a really great post that sums it up nicely and I feel exactly the same way. The forum holds some very special memories.
That being said, times have changed and we are nearly 10 years into the future since the times Nemmie spoke about and a lot of stuff has changed. I think we all agree that the forums nowdays are not even a friction of what they were back in the planco 1 days. Because of this I understand why Frontier made the decission to close it down as it's 1 less channel to maintain.
As for the information flow, don't worry too much about missing out after the forums are closing. News (especially the big news) is not being distributed to one single channel, you don't have to check each and every single medium to get up to date (but feel free to do so ofcourse ) Be sure to check in on the monthly edition of #Unlocked and you need everything there is to know.
I understand Discord isn't the same as the forums, in some ways it's more chaos but at the same time the conversations are faster and therefore more engaging in my opinion.
That being said, times have changed and we are nearly 10 years into the future since the times Nemmie spoke about and a lot of stuff has changed. I think we all agree that the forums nowdays are not even a friction of what they were back in the planco 1 days. Because of this I understand why Frontier made the decission to close it down as it's 1 less channel to maintain.
As for the information flow, don't worry too much about missing out after the forums are closing. News (especially the big news) is not being distributed to one single channel, you don't have to check each and every single medium to get up to date (but feel free to do so ofcourse
) Be sure to check in on the monthly edition of #Unlocked and you need everything there is to know. I understand Discord isn't the same as the forums, in some ways it's more chaos but at the same time the conversations are faster and therefore more engaging in my opinion.
so this just crossed my mind randomly. What about the frontier workshop? Is there any plan in place to keep all creations incase that gets closed aswell? I mean it surely wont happen anytime soon but there will come a time where frontier will shut it down. And for it not being a steam workshop i guess everything will then just be deleted?
Whos gonna assure us that the workshop wont get shut down for financial reasons or the same mysterious reason the forums are getting closed now?
And still my first question also persists: why are certain news only being shared on a random few selected channels?
Whos gonna assure us that the workshop wont get shut down for financial reasons or the same mysterious reason the forums are getting closed now?
And still my first question also persists: why are certain news only being shared on a random few selected channels?
Vampiro
Volunteer Moderator
Don't worry too much about the workshop, there isn't any talk, sign or reason to think it will leave anytime soon. And to be honest, it doesn't really matter where it's stored as the same reasons can apply to all platforms (If steam shuts down, workshop items will also dissapear).
If for some unfortunate reason any platform goes down that hosts blueprints, make sure you store them locally.
I can't answer your last question except for the part that major news has always been distributed to most / all channels. Like I stated before, keep an eye on Unlocked and Discord and you will be pretty much up to date on any news. (Especially since Discord gives you a heads up when a new Tweet or YouTube video gets posted)
It doesn't fit to say "it's one channel less to maintain" while creating channels on all socials!
Times have changed, yes. But Frontier (and others) seems to go backwards in time with their games...
It's a bit like putting new games in a store shelf and that's it. No further development because it's completely done (should be!). There's no need to look for player feedback or any input for further development and it's just a waiting for money to come in for what they've provided.
They are forgetting how usefull a community of engaged players is, to make a game even better and therefore making more money...
And that minimal financial effort to give them a good platform (like this forum) is in no relation to what employers cost, without having as much benefit.
Times have changed, yes. But Frontier (and others) seems to go backwards in time with their games...
It's a bit like putting new games in a store shelf and that's it. No further development because it's completely done (should be!). There's no need to look for player feedback or any input for further development and it's just a waiting for money to come in for what they've provided.
They are forgetting how usefull a community of engaged players is, to make a game even better and therefore making more money...
And that minimal financial effort to give them a good platform (like this forum) is in no relation to what employers cost, without having as much benefit.
Well, we also didnt see the forum closure coming did we? And to compare it to steam is just nonsense as steam has been well established for so many years now, way bigger company with way more money going trough there. Basically you just confirmed my point even more on why there should a steam workshop instead of an own platform. I have games on steam that are over 10 years old and still have an active workshop going. I doubt that the frontier workshop will be around today in 10 years time…
This is a place where people talk about the game, suggestions etc. Nothing changes in the game itself. Vampiro
Volunteer Moderator
Well that ain't quite true is it? They gave us a heads up well before it's actually closing. We are still able to have this conversation on here
I get your point on steam, it's a way bigger company I just wanted to mention there is always a risk of a platform shutting down for whatever reason. I can't take your worry away as I don't have a crystal ball that can predict the future but there is no reason at all to worry about the future of the workshop at this very moment. And like I said before, if there are items you really can't miss out on, make sure you store them locally as well.