The Star Citizen Thread v 3.0

[psyron]

It's possible that it could end up costing that but there is no way it would be worth that.

Yeah, i see it the same way.

Have to admit that in the past i was worrying a bit about CIG grabbing a lot of money from players. But since most of that money come from only 10.000 people who spent up to 10.000 Dollars each the current money spike of 60Mil isn't telling the whole story.
Some of them are seeing this money as an investement like people who bought houses/properties in Second Life. But it's obvious that CIG doesn't really care what the players think as long as they continue to make money.

Though always hearing that "ED and SC are not in direct competition" i am quite sure that those who are so heavily invested in SC will for sure hope that SC will gain a monopoly as EVE Online did in this genre. Because only then could their "investement" really become what they think it is.

For all others who are simply happy to have different space sims coming soon (not quite sure about SC though) and are equally invested into SC and ED i have to say: Yes, let's hope for two nice games!

Long ago in a galaxy far far away, we used to get stuff in games by... playing them.

Yep!

 

[fourty6to3]

"This is a misquote - What was said is that we'll probably have invested at least $100M into the development of Star Citizen by the time it "launches" to the public. This is based on our intention to invest all the money we raise during initial development back into the game (which I've been quite public about) and the fact that we will most likely raise this much by the time the full vision of Star Citizen is polished enough to be called "public" (of course all you guys will be experiencing Squadron 42 and the PU before this as part of the benefit of being backers and being part of the development process)

You guys are literally setting the budget and ambition of the game with your support which in itself is a pretty amazing thing and something I never would have believed possible two years ago.

Hope that helps!"

Words from Chris Roberts.

So my fears have some legitimacy to them. The more money, the more delays. I've often joked about the more funding CIG gets the less likely SC will release, but that's essentially what Chris is saying. How much ya wanna bet the sooner everyone stops throwing money at CIG the sooner it will release?

 

[psyron]

So my fears have some legitimacy to them. The more money, the more delays. I've often joked about the more funding CIG gets the less likely SC will release, but that's essentially what Chris is saying. How much ya wanna bet the sooner everyone stops throwing money at CIG the sooner it will release?

Or they will say that they had to stop the development of SC with the excuse that they couldn't anticipate that the money flow would suddenly dry out!

 

[Viking]

"This is a misquote - What was said is that we'll probably have invested at least $100M into the development of Star Citizen by the time it "launches" to the public. This is based on our intention to invest all the money we raise during initial development back into the game (which I've been quite public about) and the fact that we will most likely raise this much by the time the full vision of Star Citizen is polished enough to be called "public" (of course all you guys will be experiencing Squadron 42 and the PU before this as part of the benefit of being backers and being part of the development process)

You guys are literally setting the budget and ambition of the game with your support which in itself is a pretty amazing thing and something I never would have believed possible two years ago.

Hope that helps!"

Words from Chris Roberts.

So my fears have some legitimacy to them. The more money, the more delays. I've often joked about the more funding CIG gets the less likely SC will release, but that's essentially what Chris is saying. How much ya wanna bet the sooner everyone stops throwing money at CIG the sooner it will release?

I don't read this the way you do. There's nothing in that quote that address delay(s). I think you're intentionally misintrepreting this quote.

What CR has said many times is that more money gets CIG more resources - both human and material/technical - to use for making the game. The added resources is making it possible to add some more of the content that was always intended anyway, just that with added funding this will be available earlier than planned.

 

[fourty6to3]

I don't read this the way you do. There's nothing in that quote that address delay(s). I think you're intentionally misintrepreting this quote.

What CR has said many times is that more money gets CIG more resources - both human and material/technical - to use for making the game. The added resources is making it possible to add some more of the content that was always intended anyway, just that with added funding this will be available earlier than planned.

By now you should well acquainted with what CIG says being different then what they do. I based my opinions on what has happened historically and the patterns thereof to know what to expect. All this talk about getting more funding meaning more features "earlier" than planned has shown that it delays the game even further. It's borderline cognitive dissonance. Therefore it's not unreasonable to conclude that the more funding CIG gets the less likely it will come out any time soon. Instead of locking down the features and producing a title they instead encourage the commission of features creeping in enabled by ceaseless ship sales. I get that version 1.0 of SC will have "more" features than originally planned with the more resources they get, but to think that it wouldn't otherwise be released sooner with more funding isn't what is happening. Quite the opposite since they keep pushing back the goal line.

 

[Sylvester Ink]

I hardly pay attention to what they say. To paraphrase the old quote, they speak much but say little. Instead, I just observe the results of their work.

 

[Zetta]

Aww, BDSSE no more, Roberts says "We're trying to make this the BDFPUE"

:S WTH

Spoiler

'Best Damn First Person Universe Ever' for anyone wondering.

 

[MPC]

Aww, BDSSE no more, Roberts says "We're trying to make this the BDFPUE"

:S WTH

Spoiler

'Best Damn First Person Universe Ever' for anyone wondering.

"...Which uh, I think um, yeah, you guys will like. Because we're trying to do something different, I think ultimately our goal is to, ahh, you know, we've been kicking it around a little bit here, but what we're, what we're sort of thinking tha y'know rather than call uh Star Citizen a space sim, because it's a lot of things it's a first person shooter and it's a space sim in the traditional sense that you used to fly ships around and fight with each other and it's a, a sort of trading and economy game and it has a single player where, we're, um, thinking of it as a first person universe, so, Star Citizen is a first person universe and you can pretty much go and do, ah, all these different things and visit all these different places in this universe in an incredibly high amount of detail in first person and just so happens that one of the biggest things you can do is fly ships around and, and but it's, you're there, your in it. So um, and um, y'know so all that will be ah y'know, part of ah, ah, helping create the mechanics."

Here's the quote where he mentioned SC as being more than a space sim.

Taken from:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...dsse-to-bdfpue-well-that-escalated-quickly/p1

 

[Skizomeuh]

So... It seems the complete gamedesign document has leaked

 

[psyron]

I don't get people that complain about others paying for the funding of a game everyone can play for like 30 bucks lol, besides them taking too much time to release, we have people on the other side of the forum saying to Frontier to delay ED because it doesn't have enough features lol, I guess you can never please everybody!

CR is pointing it out once again in 10FTCM that ship sales are a "voluntary" thing to support the game. BUT i still think that players who spend 1000+ Dollars into that game see it more as an investement. Everything fine till now.

BUT once SC will get released and CIG will decide that those ships other players spent a lot of money on it will be possible to acquire in quite a short play time those players will be quite angry: And this will definitely proof that they throw in that money not only to support the game BUT to acquire a substantial advantage over others (P2W).

 

[Zetta]

Spoiler

"...Which uh, I think um, yeah, you guys will like. Because we're trying to do something different, I think ultimately our goal is to, ahh, you know, we've been kicking it around a little bit here, but what we're, what we're sort of thinking tha y'know rather than call uh Star Citizen a space sim, because it's a lot of things it's a first person shooter and it's a space sim in the traditional sense that you used to fly ships around and fight with each other and it's a, a sort of trading and economy game and it has a single player where, we're, um, thinking of it as a first person universe, so, Star Citizen is a first person universe and you can pretty much go and do, ah, all these different things and visit all these different places in this universe in an incredibly high amount of detail in first person and just so happens that one of the biggest things you can do is fly ships around and, and but it's, you're there, your in it. So um, and um, y'know so all that will be ah y'know, part of ah, ah, helping create the mechanics."

Here's the quote where he mentioned SC as being more than a space sim.

Taken from:

www.forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/205075/bdsse-to-bdfpue-well-that-escalated-quickly

Think my post might have come across the wrong way. I'm only poking fun at how poor BDFPUE is on the eyes in comparison to BDSSE.

 

[Viking]

"[...] You guys are literally setting the budget and ambition of the game with your support which in itself is a pretty amazing thing and something I never would have believed possible two years ago. [...]

So my fears have some legitimacy to them. The more money, the more delays. I've often joked about the more funding CIG gets the less likely SC will release, but that's essentially what Chris is saying. How much ya wanna bet the sooner everyone stops throwing money at CIG the sooner it will release?

I don't read this the way you do. There's nothing in that quote that address delay(s). I think you're intentionally misintrepreting this quote.

What CR has said many times is that more money gets CIG more resources - both human and material/technical - to use for making the game. The added resources is making it possible to add some more of the content that was always intended anyway, just that with added funding this will be available earlier than planned.

By now you should well acquainted with what CIG says being different then what they do. I based my opinions on what has happened historically and the patterns thereof to know what to expect.

You're changing the subject. I was talking about your interpretation of CR's quote (above), when it comes to delays. Now you're talking about you can't trust what he says. It's two different things. When you say that you're basing your interpretation of a quote on something (else) you believe to be true, then you're not being fair in this discussion.

And both are your opinions. Don't try to push them as facts.

 

[MPC]

New article up about the Retaliator, now with the missile rack back

Edit: Not really new since I guess it was added 7-8 hours ago xD

@Viking, du er vel ikkje norsk?

 

[Viking]

@Viking, du er vel ikkje norsk?

Joda, det er riktig.

 

[MPC]

Joda, det er riktig.

Ah k, da så Trudde eg kjente igjen avataren din frå SC forumet Hyggelig å møte andre nordmenn

Sorry guys for the off topic stuff, there are not that many Norwegians around in SC or ED, so it's always fun to find one xD

I'll continue with that SC just reached 63 million.

 

[Pomerlaw]

"...Which uh, I think um, yeah, you guys will like. Because we're trying to do something different, I think ultimately our goal is to, ahh, you know, we've been kicking it around a little bit here, but what we're, what we're sort of thinking tha y'know rather than call uh Star Citizen a space sim, because it's a lot of things it's a first person shooter and it's a space sim in the traditional sense that you used to fly ships around and fight with each other and it's a, a sort of trading and economy game and it has a single player where, we're, um, thinking of it as a first person universe, so, Star Citizen is a first person universe and you can pretty much go and do, ah, all these different things and visit all these different places in this universe in an incredibly high amount of detail in first person and just so happens that one of the biggest things you can do is fly ships around and, and but it's, you're there, your in it. So um, and um, y'know so all that will be ah y'know, part of ah, ah, helping create the mechanics."

hahahaha

You guys expect AC 1.0 to change much from what we have now? I certainly hope so!

 

[Adept]

I think SC will focus more and more on graphics and FPS stuff. The space ship combat side will be very casual friendly and full of hollywood flair (but I fear shallow gameplay).

 

[Viking]

www.forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/205075/bdsse-to-bdfpue-well-that-escalated-quickly

This link doesn't work.

 

[MPC]

This link doesn't work.

Ops sorry, edited now with this one:

https://forums.robertsspaceindustri...dsse-to-bdfpue-well-that-escalated-quickly/p1

 

[psyron]

"We will allow players to acquire realestate ..."
- Chris Roberts in the latest 10FTCM

Now this reminds me of one of my older posts ...