Gilbert Gottfried?
Are all known stars supposed to be in the game?
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Gilbert Gottfried?
Well, this thread has taken some twists and turns. 
Interesting conversation though.
I can understand the HL Tauri one not being in, since that seems like a relatively new discovery. But UY Scuti being missed seems a little strange to me.
Interesting conversation though.I searched for Tauri Nebula, nothing came up. Unless by 'search' you meant just scrolling around the map looking for the Tauri Nebula label?
Searched for all these too, and nothing.
I can understand the HL Tauri one not being in, since that seems like a relatively new discovery. But UY Scuti being missed seems a little strange to me.
What I want to know is are the stars from Frontier in the game? Actual genuine stars like Barnard's Star and Sirius?
Sirius is there (requires a permit to access though)
Not sure about Bernards Star. I know where the Bernards Loop nebula is... actually pretty close to there right now.
Good. If they were all made up apart from Sol and Alpha Centauri, it wouldn't feel like 'home'. So we can carry (rotten) fish from Ross 154 to Barnard's Star then he he?
About 140k stars are "real" ingame, and all of the known exoplanets. But the rest of the starsystems is of course pure speculation. Even the types of exoplanets are highly speculativ.
The more exotic stuff hanging around our galaxy of course will be a bit of a problem because the StarForge System that generated all this has only a limited amount of templates to chose from. So i would not expect any "unique" stuff hidden somewhere in the Universe of ED.
The more exotic stuff hanging around our galaxy of course will be a bit of a problem because the StarForge System that generated all this has only a limited amount of templates to chose from. So i would not expect any "unique" stuff hidden somewhere in the Universe of ED.
Well, I think we've already proven that not ALL of them are represented in the game.
Although I'm hopeful that some of the missing ones will get added at some point.
While it's possible that alien life could follow some bizarre format that we just can't comprehend, it's extremely unlikely to be so and certainly not on a grand scale. This is just chemistry at work, carbon bonding etc. We might see some Silicon based life sure, but again it would appear to be pretty unlikely given that physics and chemistry remains constant throughout the universe.
The whole argument is really about scale, however. For every one of these species that was incomprehensible to us, there should be plenty more that are easily within our comprehension. Even just in the Milky Way there should be aliens we can comprehend, relatively nearby. If they don't want to contact us we could still hear them or just pick up any kind of signal. Our TV and radio signals have been going way out there, neverending for over 100 years.
So much of the argument for aliens requires leaps of faith beyond what I feel are reasonable. Are All of them so different we can't understand? That makes us the galactic weirdos and we're just following the most basic rules of chemistry. I don't buy it.
Then we get arguments like "maybe the initial 9 billion years of the Milky Way was so bad that life couldn't evolve". It seems to me that there is a huge amount of grasping at straws going on in an attempt at making us seem that we aren't a rare, special case. I think that science fears this outcome due to the connotations with religion, but it could easily be that sentient life really is just that rare and special. We have so many outright "lucky" factors that seem to be in our favour and required for sentient life.
Don't get me wrong - I'd love to believe that it was possible but the chances of their being other aliens out there who are at a similar kind of technology level (even though thousands or millions of alien civilisations should have risen before our Sun was even born) - but they are all either incomprehensible or hiding from us - is miniscule.
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A 100 ly sphere isn't really all that large. And would we be capable of detecting a radio signal generated 100 ly away if it wasn't intended to reach us? (i.e. our broadcasts are only intended for Earth). Also as technology advances the power of transmissions often decreases, since we come up with more subtle and efficient ways of sending broadcasts than chucking out as much power as possible. So it might be that even if there is a technological race relatively nearby we'd have had to catch it at just that early stage in its technological development, just when we're getting the ability to detect it. Very unlikely.
Alternatives are sometimes mentioned and they need not even be fancy by our standards. If an entire communications network goes almost entirely wired, with just a low power last little bit done by a transmitter (think high speed internet with a wireless router on the end) there will be even less chucked out. Mobile signals will need a little more but still nothing compared to a current main TV transmitter.
Sirius is there (requires a permit to access though)
Not sure about Bernards Star. I know where the Bernards Loop nebula is... actually pretty close to there right now.
Barnard star is there, right next to Sol.
150,000 or so known stars are real, maybe one or 2 might be missing here and there, but that was probably not intentional, the rest is randomly generated. Sol is the only hand crafted system, as in hand crafted planet textures. Its the milky way to a 1:1 scale with some bits unknown randomly generated.
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Again though it's an argument of scale. We might only have been sending out signals for 100 years but if all the thousands or so of Aliens in the Milky Way who are supposedly at a similar tech level were doing so, surely we'd have picked up the signals from just one of them by now?
Even if there was only a handful of aliens out there who were slightly (say a couple of million years) more advanced - just how advanced is that? More than enough to understand how feeble beings like ourselves would attempt contact, I'd wager - and be able to contact or find us easily. The reality is there should be aliens out there who are billions of years more advanced than us, but if alien life is common it should be a nice linear scale of the hyper-advanced down to pre-colonising like we are now.
The galaxy should be buzzing with activity but it's not, it's silent and has been for the decades we've been listening. There is nothing out there in space able to stop a transmission - it'll just keep on going until it hits something.
Then you get into the really scary stuff - ie it only takes one advanced alien species who are determined to wipe out all other sentient life as a method of protection. Is it possible? Sure - if so our days are surely numbered. Maybe it's the nature of life to destroy itself before it starts to colonise the galaxy? We must be pretty close to both points and I can certainly see how this may well be a factor but given the massive time-scales again, surely just one species would rise above it? Surely that should have happened before now?
Again most of the arguments seem contrived to me - "the galaxy wasn't capable of supporting life until 3 billion years ago, they don't want to contact us, they are too different, they aren't interested in colonising the galaxy" - basically in order to make all these missing aliens "fit" we have to invent scenarios where they are the polar opposite of us in every way - and all of them need to be like that...
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Sargon
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Yes, you're right.. It was a typo.
If anything this game teaches you is how utterly massive the galaxy is. Is there anybody out there, capable and willing to travel the distance and time it takes to get here just to wipe us out then return home.
Hell we complain if we got a 30 min supercruise journey, I imagine aliens said screw it too.
Theres plenty of other planets, and plenty of closer ones. We are way out in the sticks.
Hell we complain if we got a 30 min supercruise journey, I imagine aliens said screw it too.
Theres plenty of other planets, and plenty of closer ones. We are way out in the sticks.
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Unless they've discovered wormholes or other things that would completely wreck our laws of physics...
But where would destroying the planet get them? When the Europeans sailed over to the Americas, did they go there to wreck the place? Nope. They went there to colonise it...
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Sargon
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The problem is, we're under the impression that the laws of physics are set in stone. For all we know, our laws don't apply to the rest of the multiverse.
Aside from the fact that we're thinking that space travel is delimited by machines and bound by time.
Perhaps all they need do is 'dial in' a location.. and blam... they're there.
I've seen enough weird flying objects over the course of 30 years of observing the skies methodically to be absolutely certain that we aren't alone. But that's for a different forum.
It's also about timing. If a civilisation in the Milky Way discovered Radio 600 years ago and made broadcast transmissions for 100 years before, as has been mentioned, they started to use other, more subtle methods of communication - so far so good.
Now, what if that Civilisation lived 300 light years away?
We've already missed that show.
The chances are extremely remote for us to communicate with alien life even if it exists and has similar technology to us. The universe is huge and light is very very slow.