Long live Elite Dangerous !

Forum E: D members, mods and devs, I would just like to bring to your attention that there will be an ever increasing number of people frequenting these forums whom have an agenda to influence, divide and twist the development and community of this game as it unfolds. As a long term player of EvE online (like some of you here) there was a particular group that where known for this kind of thing. A group stemming from the SA (Something Awful) forums known as the ‘Goons‘.

I would say there are now a number of people (SA members) on these forums whom are pushing forward concepts and ideas to turn this game into a continuation of the community warfare allowed in other games, such as EvE, (possibly)MWO(in beta still), WoT and the likes. A point also to keep in mind (as shown in past events) if they cannot get what they want they will try to break the mechanics of the game by whatever means possible. Be that, via the forums and community, the badgering of the Devs or mods, or by the seeking of finding exploits in the game so that they can be used for their advantage (for as long as possible) over the majority of the game populous. Only to ‘hold up hands and proclaim innocence and regret’ once found to be exploiting the said game.

The unfortunate fact is, here will be no different with the attempts to covertly or overtly change this game. We know the guys at FD are striving hard to get on with the development of the game and to cover as many of these angles as possible but the fact remains, the game is growing in popularity (which is great) but there are those over at SA who have their eye on this place and are seeking to turn it into a place of their advantage and liking. The CCP over at EvE took a rather lacks stance on dealing with these characters, to the point in fact of allowing them to get away with much at the detriment of the general the gaming populous.

I say this because it is important be you general forum members, a devs or mods, not all is what it seems here when some of these postings are being done. Some are here with a specific SA agenda and are extremely versed in 'playing' forums like this to their advantage. Now I know some will say, "So what? Not my problem etc etc “ but as someone who wants this game to succeed (and I know that is the majority here) let us not let these characters get a foot in the door on destroying what can and hopefully will be, a beautiful, immersive and epic game in all fields.

The link below (started by a goon member) is to Mech Warrior Online, it makes for interesting reading on the types of goals and characters you will be getting here striving to change to this game as well: http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/12299-observations-concerning-community-warfare/ You need only replace MWO with E: D and you will see some of the patterns here on this forum being repeated in some posts.

And here: http://www.gamespace.com/gamelist.cfm/game/45/view/forums/thread/326369/page/3 You will get a feel for what was/is going on in the EvE universe with respect to these characters. To me the last post sums it up:

"Goonswarm and TEST are probably one of the bigger reasons new players even keep trying out EVE, as they welcome new player with open arms unlike most alliances/corporations in the game."

PROPAGANDA CHECK -

GoonSwarm and TEST do *NOT* recruit players from the EVE Community. They don't "welcome new players with welcome arms". They recruit *ONLY* people who have been active members of their little troll community on SomethingAwful.com for 3 months. They only recruit little mindless workerbees who want to be popular in the "edgy" and "cool" troll community.

GoonSwarm *HATES* the general EVE Online community. They frequently call us "dumb pubbies" - pubbies, meaning "public". This outlines and illustrates that their little clique sees themselves as separate from EVE Online. And their own mission statement is to ruin the game for other players.

So please, put your propaganda away boy, nobody buys it anymore, and if anyone says something good about goons, it's because THEY'RE a goon on one of the "spy" accounts.

Goons ruin the game.

Let us not allow these mistakes to happen here. There you have it.

So, Long live Elite Dangerous! :cool:
 
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So you and your allies run the little PvE-only safemode agenda, others rightfully promote risk vs. reward systems and PvAll.

Making up stories about some big bad Goon Corporation who wants to ruin your day seems rather far fetched and more like a part of the PvE-only agenda tactics.

You want Ed to be successful, then don't tell them to clone WoW.
 
Sorry to say, but most of your message looks like paranoid ramblings to me :-/ You know the terrorists only win when you act differently because you're afraid of them?

And lots of SA goons are excited for this game. Don't tar them all with the same brush. I've seen the SA forums help support and promote many games, especially niche ones that are otherwise underappreciated.

As for exploiting game rules, I can assure you that many of us will be doing that. This is what happens to rules systems with many players. It's up to FD to respond to player behaviour and keep the game balanced.
 
The thing is Goonswarm numbered thousands of members in Eve which generated a massive monthly income for CCP, either through direct cash subs or via plex trading. Its no wonder why the game developers allowed GS to get away with some of the stuff they do and infact tailor the game mechanics to favour their style of play in some respects.

Elite won't be subscription based so I can't see FD being influenced and bent over a barrel like CCP were when it comes to a sizable chunk of your players putting pressure on you to do this that and the other for personal gain.

If you're suggesting GS will target this game just for trollings sake, you have the option to ignore anyone you don't like by switching to private groups or banning ********s from your world.

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Since you first made this post I do agree with you that there seems to be an element emerging on these forums that look like they want to steer EDs development down a certain route. Not sure if its subtly organized or just random new posters pitching their own ideas (like lots of new posters often do when they discover a game), but either way I think FD are steadfastly focused on delivering their own version of the game and won't be swayed to make a game they wouldn't want to play themselves.
 
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Thing is D:B is making the game he wants to play, so unless your calling him a goon..... there's always going to be the sort of people you mentioned trying to do things that suit their agenda. Thing is in this game you can just ignore their agenda a simple click and they are gone. the people in these forums are for the most part mature adults who don't squabble, we may disagree on points but if someone comes along and tries to change that we would notice immediately and so would all the mods and devs who watch and read these forums. we all care about how this game is made and the content within.
 

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There's been an awful lot written about this topic in various threads. I've never played on line games before, never really had the pull, well ED is the pull so I'm going to give it a go. My own opinion based on my knowledge of ED only is that space is big as was well stated in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. You would be pretty unlucky to keep meeting the same people over and over again so the chances for the sort of behaviour listed above are going to be slim. I might be horribly wrong of course but lets at least give ED a chance before we start to panic.
 
You would be pretty unlucky to keep meeting the same people over and over again so the chances for the sort of behaviour listed above are going to be slim. I might be horribly wrong of course but lets at least give ED a chance before we start to panic.

You're not wrong. The sheer size of ED will be another reason why groups of idiots won't be able to dictate how you play your game. In Eve the game-word is tiny, 5000 systems iirc, so everyone was squeezed into a relatively small play pen compared to what ED will have on offer. :cool:
 
Don't fully get how this could work in ED.

1) They will try to screw game mechanics? Game universe is not fully without supervising. Even more, FD can screw with them :)
2) It's not an MMO, soon they will be on everyone's ban lists if they will try to pull something like this;
2) Arrogance and clan structure is something very "normal" in MMO sort of games. Good thing is - you can not to play with them in ED. Not such thing in your regular MMO (or MMO with one huge instance).

Cool down and relax. FD is open to ideas, but they are not THAT open. They have their own strong opinions how game should look like.
 
With instances of 32 max and the use of groups I am fairly sure you can block all this out in game play.

You could play solo online if you wanted. There is also Ironman too, can't see that being used for griefing too much due to attrition rates.
 
As for exploiting game rules, I can assure you that many of us will be doing that. This is what happens to rules systems with many players. It's up to FD to respond to player behaviour and keep the game balanced.

During Alpha / Beta yes .. that's what it's for .. but during release as well ?
 
Hey Pacal - how do we know you're not some kind of deep cover sleeper Goon triple agent!! :-D

I've been lurking on the SA Star Citizen thread - until a few days ago when the SA forums went pay to view...

I'm new to all this and wanted to see what all the fuss was about as the infamous Goons started appearing in numbers on SC.

To be honest they seem like many other website forums I've seen in the past - bit of a mixture - some quite reasonable compared to others who display an apparently unwarranted level of self-regard.

Some of them do seem to like to throw pretentious statements around about how they break games and forums for fun and people should tremble in their presence and so forth.

I think their numbers probably work well for them in EVE because of the way that is structured - as others have said above though not sure the mechanics of the game here will allow them to dominate in the same way..
 
During Alpha / Beta yes .. that's what it's for .. but during release as well ?

Absolutely :) I'm a min-maxer by nature and if I see a loophole I will abuse it :p I'm sure I'm not alone amongst geeky online people in having that mindset.

Unless I'm role-playing, of course, in which case I have to try and think of clever role-play reasons for the strange mechanics abuses :-/

I'll also report such abuses and recommend fixes, of course. But until they're patched I'll ride them for all they're worth ;)
 
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But until they're patched I'll ride them for all they're worth.

I am a max-min guy too, love finding ways of combining items to create new overpowered stuff, love trying to play the game in unexpected ways to what the Devs had in mind .. but you might want to rethink this line I quoted.

If you know something is too good to be true ask the Devs - if they agree it's a bug and you continue to use it depending upon the exploit they might ban you ... Now I know you should (unless you sold the rights) have a Jameson account being an author so it would be a shame to lose one of the family.
 
If you know something is too good to be true ask the Devs - if they agree it's a bug and you continue to use it depending upon the exploit they might ban you ... Now I know you should (unless you sold the rights) have a Jameson account being an author so it would be a shame to lose one of the family.

Oh, I'm not talking about bugs, but more imbalances. Bug abuse I don't approve of. If there's an imbalance in the base design that gives something a certain fight tactic an edge, or makes certain trade routes better, then I see that as being a bit more fair game.

For instance, imagine an imbalance that makes the Viper the best ship in combat when equipped with a certain laser system, even compared to much more expensive ships and ship load-outs, then I'll stick with the optimum set-up until it gets balanced properly.

Having said that, since it's a multi-player game I might behave a bit differently than I do in single-player games. I certainly have no interest in abusing other players for gain.
 
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They seem to have regular times of going pay per view. Makes it annoying when you're trying to track what's being said about your games there :p I haven't paid for membership out of principle - plenty of excellent free forums around :)
 
The link below (started by a goon member) is to Mech Warrior Online, it makes for interesting reading on the types of goals and characters you will be getting here striving to change to this game as well: http://mwomercs.com/forums/topic/12299-observations-concerning-community-warfare/ You need only replace MWO with E: D and you will see some of the patterns here on this forum being repeated in some posts.

That is a really interesting post. It seems like the implicit definition of "fun" for a lot of people is "being more powerful than other people" - better armed, better trained, better connected. I don't think ED will ever be fun by that definition, so the discussion is kinda moot.

Where ED offers the capability to do simple ranking, it's generally done in an absolute way instead of a relative one (e.g. "you have 10 kills", not "you beat so-and-so 2 times out of 3"), and there are ways to achieve them without interacting with other people. You can map that to a leaderboard if you really want, but I don't see any dev interest in doing so.

Where ED offers the ability to make a permanent mark on the world, the model is very much about Frontier controlling those opportunities (e.g. "plague hits Soholia again, do you profiteer or act charitably?", not "here's a container full of plague, go drop it on your enemies' homeworld").

And where ED offers the ability to test your mettle against other people, the grouping mechanism makes it very much opt-in (e.g. "join the 'all' group to meet more commanders", not "stay in the core systems if you don't want to fight").

So while there's still a ton of discussion to be had around the details, I don't see the people you're worried about choosing to spend their time playing ED when they will find EVE way more fun.
 
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