Yep, I went solo for trading rare goods

Zeeman

Zeeman
Loki_666 said:
You can request voice comms with a target. They don't have to accept of course. Check under your in-game comms menu when you have a player in range or a friend is online. Its a bit buggy at the moment though, doesn't seem to work always. Think it largely depends on whether you are in the same game mode for a start. Got a friend i can't chat with unless we are in the same group, but when we are, it seems to work fine.

Just remember, your target has to see your chat request and accept it. And not everyone has or uses a microphone.... or even headphones. Sometimes i have to play with sound off altogether... so you could speak away, i'd never hear you.
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Fair enough - but you shouldn't need to go through seven menu items to select comms (ok, that's an exaggeration, but I'm trying to make a point). Perhaps an "XYZ is talking to you" message on your HUD. I totally understand if someone doesn't play with sound on, though single ship to ship comms should just be automatically accepted as a "universal hail". Maybe a system where the first 10 seconds is broadcast, and the rest needs to be accepted. The primary message will get through, and you can then choose to accept and talk, or just bug out or whatever. Should also help reduce the trash talk that I am sure most people are worried about.

CMDR Saunders said:
I use a simple macro with voice attack. My command "pull over" types out everything I need to say in under 2 seconds. If the target complies, I move to "drop cargo" command, which gives them their options... death by me and lose all cargo AND ship or just loose some cargo and go on your merry way.

Voice attack is the best.
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I can also set up a macro such as this with Powergrid, or various software included with some joysticks/software add-onns. But it really should just be an additional option, voice being the primary (as detailed above) as it is way too easy to miss the text. Wouldn't be the first time I missed the text of another CMDR until I am just bumming around at the station and realise "CMDR XYZ" said something who knows when...

Whilst some people will have sound off at times, the vast majority have it on.



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Zpike

Zpike
I just have to laugh when a pirate in a kitted out Asp and a rebuy cost of 250k with no real risk of losing anyway calls me a coward for not playing in open with my T6 and a rebuy cost of 1.45 million. :)
I understand some people get there kicks taking out defenseless targets and are offended when the target avoids them, but hey that's life. Get used to disappointment. :)

Here's the math for a kitted out T6 hauling an expensive load ---
Kitted out T6 Ship rebuy 250k+
cargo lost 600k+
cargo rebuy 600k+ to get back to where I was
my total total risk is 1.45+ million

But I guess I should feel guilty because I am taking the fun out of the game for guys that like to gank? Not gonna happen.
And no, being a pirate is not an honorable profession. I don't care how you dress it up with talk before you take my stuff, it's ganking, pure and simple. It's fun for the ganker and not much fun for the person being ganked.

I will be playing open though, I play open in my kitted Cobra all the time. I like playing against other players when the table is level and I don't mind at all losing to someone when the fight is fair. I just won't be playing in open in a trading ship until I get enough cash to not feel like my dog just died when I lose my ship and cargo.

And thanks go out to the guy that pointed out how to avoid player characters when trading by dropping out of hyper when I see them coming. :) Yes, i'm a noob and had not thought of that. Thanks for the tip.

Oh, one other thing --- People seem to think the tag "Carebear" is derogatory when it's actually a badge of honor. Speaking as someone that was actually there on day one for the grief/gank fest that was Ultima Online, Carebears ruled! :)
 
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Wicz

Wicz
Zpike said:
I just have to laugh when a pirate in a kitted out Asp and a rebuy cost of 250k with no real risk of losing anyway calls me a coward for not playing in open with my T6 and a rebuy cost of 1.45 million. :)
I understand some people get there kicks taking out defenseless targets and are offended when the target avoids them, but hey that's life. Get used to disappointment. :)

Here's the math for a kitted out T6 hauling an expensive load ---
Kitted out T6 Ship rebuy 250k+
cargo lost 600k+
cargo rebuy 600k+ to get back to where I was
my total total risk is 1.45 million

But I guess I should feel guilty because I am taking the fun out of the game for guys that like to gank? Not gonna happen.
And no, being a pirate is not an honorable profession. I don't care how you dress it up with talk before you take my stuff, it's ganking, pure and simple. It's fun for the ganker and not much fun for the person being ganked.

I will be playing open though, I play open in my kitted Cobra all the time. I like playing against other players when the table is level and I don't mind at all losing to someone when the fight is fair. I just won't be playing in open in a trading ship until I get enough cash to not feel like my dog just died when I lose my ship and cargo.

Oh, and thanks go out to the guy that pointed out how to avoid player characters when trading by dropping out of hyper when I see them coming. :) Yes, i'm a noob and had not thought of that. Thanks for the tip.
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Just ignore them and play your game the way you want :)
 

Dizzy Flores

Dizzy Flores
Zpike said:
No way! I was way to close on cash to be taking that risk again. I would do normal short range missions in safe systems and keep a much bigger cash reserve. That was the first time I had tried to do rare trading on a long run like that in systems I didn't know with very little cash in reserve. Big mistake! :)
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This is a really good question. And a Really good answer from the OP. And seems he learned the lesson. We have a saying in EVE, and I really hate to compare EVE to Elite but a lot of lessons learned in EVE are applicable to Elite's Open play. Anyways the saying/lesson is don't fly what you can't afford to loose. Seems the OP learned that lesson today/yesterday.
 

Falrinth

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Its not about if its good/bad to play safe/risky. Its all about devs to decide if they want to let players play their way and have fun in multiplayer way, or put everyone on the same tracks: multiply riches in safe mode, play with low risk activities in multiplayer mode. That makes pvp much less entertaining, hence most of the gameplay is becomeming less colourfull and interesting. I bought this game thinkings its a multiplayer game, but in fact it only imitates multiplayer, its multiplayer aspects are looking similiar to farmville but i think they are much less impactfull and design of the game discourages multiplayer interactions. Imo very, very wasted potential. Disapointing.
 

tagos

tagos
People who pay good money are entitled to play the game in any way that they want. While I play mostly in open play I don't care one jot if people power level in Solo. It's none of my business how they enjoy the game they have paid for. Just like it's none of anyone else's business if I decide to spend a session relaxing in solo doing trade runs.
 

CMDR Saunders

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tagos said:
People who pay good money are entitled to play the game in any way that they want. While I play mostly in open play I don't care one jot if people power level in Solo. It's none of my business how they enjoy the game they have paid for. Just like it's none of anyone else's business if I decide to spend a session relaxing in solo doing trade runs.
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Absolutely, you are right. Play as you want. Play your solo character whenever you wish. When you feel up to it.... switch to open and you'll be welcome with open arms... with a new character and none of the money/gear/creds that you used in the danger free hug zone that is known as solo play.

Being able to become a trade god worth billions in danger free solo and then come to the open world with those same billions to become Star God, ruler of the universe in your zillion dollar space craft that shoots out zeus lightning bolts is an asinine idea. You didn't earn those things through the dangers of surviving and thriving the universe that is ED. You went to carebear island where the drinks are free, the hugs are plentiful, and mom is always there to kiss away the pain and wipe away the tears. Which is a fine place and I have no desire to see it burn to the ground... it just needs to be segregated from the rest of us. I don't want it having an effect on an otherwise awesome, ever changing, dynamic, DANGEROUS universe where anything can happen and every man is on his own (until they put in wings, then every group is on their own, you get my point).

Play to your hearts content in solo mode. Never come to open play if you don't want to. However, when you do, you need to be on the same level as the rest of us. Realize it's a dangerous universe and anything can happen. Use your head, know your enemies, think tactical, you'll get by. If this means fewer players in open.... fine. So be it.

I don't begrudge anyone for playing how they want to play.... but allowing this jump to solo/open at any time with the SAME GEAR AND CREDS is one of the dumbest things in the history of gamedom. Is it stopping me from enjoying the game? No, of course not. I'm having a blast and will continue to do so. Just my opinion about a very poo game design choice. Leave solo play intact, so don't allow players to cross over once they've reach "oh yeah, I own several star systems" rich.
 

neXib

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I'm only trading to fund my exploration, so quite frankly the player interaction isn't interesting until I get out there, so the fact that you can Solo and then Open Play makes sense in that regard. But I can see why it feels a bit unfair to anyone who's always in Open play from the get go. That said though, you'll have experience and training that they don't have with their fancy new ship only practiced at NPC's, so nothing to complain about really.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
CMDR Saunders said:
Absolutely, you are right. Play as you want. Play your solo character whenever you wish. When you feel up to it.... switch to open and you'll be welcome with open arms... with a new character and none of the money/gear/creds that you used in the danger free hug zone that is known as solo play.
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.... except that's not how it works, although your proposal is typical of those who don't really understand that E: D is not competitive in that manner. Thankfully the group switching feature has been part of the stated game design since the beginning of the Kickstarter, over two years ago, and is extremely unlikely to be changed post release.
 

tagos

tagos
CMDR Saunders said:
Absolutely, you are right. Play as you want. Play your solo character whenever you wish. When you feel up to it.... switch to open and you'll be welcome with open arms... with a new character and none of the money/gear/creds that you used in the danger free hug zone that is known as solo play.

Being able to become a trade god worth billions in danger free solo and then come to the open world with those same billions to become Star God, ruler of the universe in your zillion dollar space craft that shoots out zeus lightning bolts is an asinine idea.
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Until such time as you reimburse my purchase cost and pay me £10 an hour to play you don't have a say.
 

Wicz

Wicz
Bangfish said:
I will never understand how carebears think. What is their motivation. Ok, so you go solo to trade rares without risk. You get endgame ships easily, you have them nice and easy. Now what? One shotting NPCs? What are you gonna do?
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What does it have to do with you?

People will do whatever they like, whenever they like, and not give a second thought to your condescending tripe.

Welcome to my ignore list.
 
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Countrycuz666

Countrycuz666
Zpike said:
Good question. It is kind of like cheating to me. It's legal in the game but it does allow me to sell risk free. NPCs don't worry me at all. Only player pirates give me any trouble.

But there is the other side of the coin, what would my reaction have been to loosing almost everything in that one encounter? I can tell you it would not have been enjoyable. I thought about it later and realized I would have quit playing for a while in frustration. I got away and I still put the game away for a day, I can imagine my disgust if I had lost and was back in a Hauler doing 22 slot trade missions again. I just don't know if I have it in me to fight through that kind of boredom again.

I think it's better for the casual gamer such as myself if they keep solo mode. I hear about players with tons of cash and all the ships, etc... That's certainly not me, I have been playing since before Gamma and I still only have the one ship, a T6. Yea, i'm fully kitted now, but I still only have about 1 million to spare if I lost it. That's only enough to get me in a low level hauler and still have money for cargo if I loose the T6 with an 800k load.
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My problem for the last three weeks has not been pirates or other players as I have seen only two persons in the game in all that time.
I only run into npc pirates. and the biggest headache of mine has been playing drowsy and crashing into the docks. or losing all my cargo when selling it when the server takes a nose dive during the transaction. Just last night I lost a half a mill when I tried to purchase the laser that costs that much and the server decided to lose concentration and gone was my half a million credits and no laser on my ship.
 
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