No ! Only if i (and only me) can have a "press this button to instant blow up your enemy" gimmick.
<request> please remove delay from Rail Guns
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No ! Only if i (and only me) can have a "press this button to instant blow up your enemy" gimmick.
you know we have rail guns IRL, and if you knew anything about the way they worked they take time to charge up as they are powered by magnetic fields, hence why they charge up in game, aldo dumb-fire missiles randomly fire backwards as well and can dmg ur ship depending on the position of the hard points.
Unless I am mistake, rail guns are the only thermal-kinetic damage dealing weapons, everything else is one or the other.
Perhaps the method of discharge could be press and hold the fire button, rail gun charges, and then if fully charged is discharged on release of the trigger, so that if the target is manoeuvring, one can hold the charge until the shot is a good one, perhaps with the penalty of thermal excesses being generated the ship will have to absorb the longer the charge is held
If the Trigger is released before the charge is full, then the charge resets as we currently have.
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Robert Maynard
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If you want to fly around with pre-charged railguns (a lot of stored energy, I would expect), it would only be fair that, when targeted, they have a high probability of destroying your ship (if charged at the time if destruction).
Do rotary multi barrels weapons have a spin up delay, or is that merely a construct of computer gaming
That seems a better idea - also whilst you hold down the trigger (even after charge) your weapons charge should decrease, so there is a limit to how long you can have the weapon charged for.
Best idea in one of those *facepalm* threads...
In the real world? You could counter that by saying that in the "real world" the charge required would be too large for a capacitor to hold, therefore it needs to build up the charge and then immediately release it - hence the delay in firing. It's about game balance.
In real life?... no, they dont. i have fired many Gatling gun in my past... none of them have a spin up time..... but RL and Game =/= .
Could use a charge indicator, but I'm not in favor of removing the delay.
Your WEP capacitor is for the cooling systems. Railguns (real ones) require enormous bursts of current that can only be delivered by super capacitors, with the main power supply existing to charge these. So, some delay makes sense.
Missiles have significant travel time at anything but point blank range.
I could see them firing on release of the trigger, if there was some maintenance energy/heat for keeping the railgun charged longer than necessary.
Penetration is among the best in the game.
Strictly speaking, they start firing right away, but take a small amount of time (a few hundred milliseconds) to reach peak rate of fire. The laws of physics prevent the rotation from jumping to full speed instantaneously.
That said, the delay in games is often enormously exaggerated, to make it perceptible for balance/flavor purposes.
Your WEP capacitor is for the cooling systems. Railguns (real ones) require enormous bursts of current that can only be delivered by super capacitors, with the main power supply existing to charge these. So, some delay makes sense.
Missiles have significant travel time at anything but point blank range.
I could see them firing on release of the trigger, if there was some maintenance energy/heat for keeping the railgun charged longer than necessary.
Penetration is among the best in the game.
Strictly speaking, they start firing right away, but take a small amount of time (a few hundred milliseconds) to reach peak rate of fire. The laws of physics prevent the rotation from jumping to full speed instantaneously.
That said, the delay in games is often enormously exaggerated, to make it perceptible for balance/flavor purposes.
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vonvonbraun
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yes but when you pull the trigger of a irl railgun, does this have a delay?
The way it works is that it charges after you fired a shot and insta-discharge when you trigger. It just makes sense humanly.
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Yep, im totally fine with that. I think that is the way to go for this weapon, longer recharge or similar, not a silly trigger delay
Remiel
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Elite =/= real world. It doesn't matter how it works in the real world, what matters is how it works in Elite, and at the moment, it's working as intended. The real world is irrelevant.
Are you saying that 1285 years from now they would still use our ancient trigger mechanics for railguns?
Guess that is why NATO soldiers in Afghanistan are still using wheel-lock, matchlock and, if lucky, flintlock weapons.
Oh, wait... They aren't.
vonvonbraun
Banned
Totally good idea, very well thought and more natural.
i just dont get all this shush win button arguments when clearly railguns are not op at all, just nonsensical in the way they work.
we are discussing that, not damage.
Agreed, no weapon should have a delay on firing. Even missiles launchers have the decency to target before you try to shoot them.
Not much difference between a trigger releasing the flint [correct word censored] to the trigger releasing the hammer on an AK
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Cheers, I was actually asking as I have no RL experience with them and it seems quite pronounced in computer games.
Our Navy are on the only chaps with them over here
The trigger mechanisms on many modern firearms would be recognizable in function to a gunsmith from the 16th century.
The hammer/firing pin may be holding/hitting something new, but working our way from the trigger itself, everything is generally quite similar until we get to that point.
An AK doesn't have a hammer. Replace AK with Glock and then you make more sense.
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My biggest issue with railguns is that you can't hold the trigger down. Having to release the trigger in close in fights screws me up constantly.
vonvonbraun
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I thought the dev comment on hardness was very interesting. This suggests that railguns are a good choice for class 1 weapons in a Cobra/Viper if you're often going against larger ships, as from the sounds of things other class 1 weapons aren't expected to do much damage to Cobras & larger.