Leaderboards and Daily Achievement Titles
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The most-frequently-requested option in the player log thread was to have logs be exportable in some machine-readable format. If that request is granted, community-run leaderboards will presumably pop up whether Frontier make their own one or not.
These would of course be opt-in affairs that could include as much or as little information as users wanted. PacalB made a great point that leaderboards necessarily leak sensitive information, so an open market in leaderboards might be the best way to find the balance between letting people show off how great they are vs. revealing how they achieve their greatness.
These would of course be opt-in affairs that could include as much or as little information as users wanted. PacalB made a great point that leaderboards necessarily leak sensitive information, so an open market in leaderboards might be the best way to find the balance between letting people show off how great they are vs. revealing how they achieve their greatness.
If leaderboards are in-game (as opposed to community-run websites) it should be something you opt into. I would not want to be instanced with players who are chasing stats, so I would want the groups system to segregate those who opt into leaderboard competition from those who haven't.
More segregation isn't desireable though, so I'm not keen on this being an in-game feature.
More segregation isn't desireable though, so I'm not keen on this being an in-game feature.
I would prefer that the top 10 list of pilots (or whatever) is done via the in game newsfeeds. I am thinking top 10 pirates, top 10 bounty hunters etc.
Having yourself on a leaderboard is a sure fire way of having a bullseye painted on your forehead IMO though
I do think it would be good to have them so whatever format they end up as I do not mind.
Having yourself on a leaderboard is a sure fire way of having a bullseye painted on your forehead IMO though
I do think it would be good to have them so whatever format they end up as I do not mind.
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I'm in agreement with PacalB for the most part. My view is that they are neither necessary, nor add any value to the game and I don't want my game stats visible to others. The only things I don't mind sharing are eg rankings, which aren't raw data.
The problem with the opt-in as Liqua has pointed out, is that if guilds/corporations/squads etc are a large part of the game and you haven't opted in, then you'll most probably be "forced" to share, in order to prove your worth if you wish to join.
I do however like the idea of a global stats area. Something that combines stats from all players, like X kills, Y deaths and Z whatever... (this could be quite extensive).
I completely disagree. I neither want to share my own, nor care about others' stats. I don't need to see how others are playing, in order to justify my own performance. I'll play E: D in my own way and to try to compare that to a bunch of raw stats for other players is imo, pointless.
The problem with the opt-in as Liqua has pointed out, is that if guilds/corporations/squads etc are a large part of the game and you haven't opted in, then you'll most probably be "forced" to share, in order to prove your worth if you wish to join.
I do however like the idea of a global stats area. Something that combines stats from all players, like X kills, Y deaths and Z whatever... (this could be quite extensive).
Patrick_68000 said:
I completely disagree. I neither want to share my own, nor care about others' stats. I don't need to see how others are playing, in order to justify my own performance. I'll play E: D in my own way and to try to compare that to a bunch of raw stats for other players is imo, pointless.
And I agree with your disagreement
I don't wish to share my stats - I know how bad I am
I don't care how good others are - I know that too, you just destroyed me
That said I understand how for some this is important so an opt-in scheme solves all.
I think leader boards are important to add immersion into the game. If you are the richest person in the galaxy would everyone not know that? If you have collected the most bountys and are the best bounty hunter why would everyone not know that. If you have explored more places than everyone else would that not become common knowledge. I know we have the rich list in real life and police officers get rewards for special actions in real life and I think I remember hearing about a guy called Christopher Columbus. In the future communication of news should be pretty instant especially if they have a news app on their phone.
Most largely populated games have some sort of leader board and I want this game to be largely populated not a single player experience.
AJ
Most largely populated games have some sort of leader board and I want this game to be largely populated not a single player experience.
AJ
We don't want a "leaderboard" because it removes the need for skill and judgement. There is no skill and judgement in knowing lots of information about another player. The most you should know about the ship you are shooting at is what you know about the ship. Yes you may get some info by clicking on that ship such as the player's name, their rank in Elite status ... but that should be about it. All a leaderboard does is foster a group that want to boast "I am better than you", and no-one likes people that boast they are better than you.
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Immersion? Really?
No, because maybe you don't boast about it. Maybe because you want to evade Imperial taxes. Maybe because you're a very successful crime boss who want to keep your business secret from the Feds. Maybe because you're a private citizen who values your privacy.
Because you only want the people who count to know how good you are at it: your potential and selected employers. You certainly don't want pirates to know it. They'll see you coming.
Notable explorations will make it into the news. I am not familiar with any leaderboards for the likes of Shackleton, Marco Polo, Cook, etc.
What you're asking for is not immersive, it's gamey. If you like and want that it's fine to ask for it, but an argument for immersion's sake won't hold up.
Mine will probably be along the lines of:I'd love to make the news with some discovery
Brian
Black Hole X, discovered stardate 101 by Commander Cathy, crushed.
There will be newsfeeds that provide in-game and in-context info about stuff like this without the need for artificial leaderboards.
Okay, for one thing, the leaderboard is not something that I can shield myself from by turning it off. In a multplayer game it has many attack vectors, and I can still feel its consequences. Alliances will want to get their names up on the board, so if you're part of that alliance, suddenly you're playing the stats-chasing game too. When people start talking about the leaderboard in the forums, it becomes part of community and not just part of the game. Also, I could be a worthless target, and still get zapped because someone's trying to add to their kill tally.
But it's also about design and what you're providing incentives for. In a way, the leaderboard is anti-sandbox because it's telling you precisely how to play the game. If you want to be top of the combat leaderboard, you must get more kills, therefore killing is the way to play the game. If you want to be top of the mining leaderboard, you must mine to the exclusion of all else...
I'm not against people getting fame and notoriety and appearing in the newsfeeds, because I hope that Frontier are being cleverer there. The stories that will appear will be the 'interesting adventures in space' ones, that the game is really trying to push. If you're nakedly providing an incentive for per-kill gameplay, then that to me is less desirable. It's not something that needs positive reinforcement.
Also, if getting to the top of the leaderboard is the main source of prestige, then that kind of undercuts the whole newsfeed thing. It certaily pulls focus away from it, and a great idea might become a great idea, which hasn't really worked. Certainly leaderboards could come in later if the newsfeed thing isn't working, and it turns out that people aren't interested in interesting adventures in space. I would like to see how the game copes without them first though.
+1 from me too
I didn't intend for it sound as if my point of view was absolute, sorry if that was the impression. Granted percentage based stats have little reflection on play time if implemented correctly.
An out of game thing, where players can take logs to another site for data crunching etc, I have absolutely no problems with at all, in any regard. I only have issues with anything in game. Can you imagine what real life would be like if we had to endure leaderboards for our personal activities? Getting up on time, being on time for work, profanities spouted at other drivers, our driving skills / errors. Mistakes in work the work place etc? Yes thats stupidly extreme, but why in the future would we want our private data zapped about?
Yarp.
Indeed, this echos my feelings.
I agree - It's not something I am interested in personally just debating the other side (devils advocate)
If you are part of an alliance that wants to chase stats and you don't - find another alliance.
If you are zapped by someone who is chasing stats then there are consequences to their actions - criminal record / claim the bounty off you (if you were a pirate) That's easy to counter.
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Lastly - as it is with Ironman / Normal how about if you opt-in (yes, still banging this drum
) the instance selector won't put you with people who left it on the defaulted opt-out setting ?