Why side with Torval in a slave revolt? The cruisers are more valuable to kill

anikaiful

anikaiful
daan2002 said:
why a puppy why not a kitten ?!?!?
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Kittens are kept safe. To step on one would need serious effort.

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Riepah said:
I never claimed that the revolting ones were always in the right. But in this scenario, I just find it unlikely that someone who went into slavery over a matter of honor would suddenly change their mind and revolt for no reason. With how little information they give us, there's no way to know for sure, but I think we're given more reasons to believe that slaves aren't handled as wonderfully as the Imperium likes to claim, than we are to think that slaves in two different star systems suddenly decide to revolt because, uh, some slave leader formed them into some kind of cult, as you suggest. I doubt "slave leaders" have access to the sort of communication devices required to do such a thing. How do you make an entire planet into a cult? I think it's much easier to imagine a planet full of maltreated slaves, than a whole planet in the clutches of a cult.



That's what I'm asking. Why?
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Just a political sham.
 

Khonsu

Khonsu
Riepah said:
If slavery in the Empire were really so unicorns and rainbows as they make us believe, why'd they be revolting, now?
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People often change their minds, especially when confronted with hard labour.

Perhaps they were not prepared for the labour they would be expected to do as slaves, or perhaps they sold themselves out of a sense of honour that fails them when confronted with long hard shifts.

There is also the possibility that they are being overworked or treated unfairly by a specific governor or supervisor. Working conditions vary from world to world. Perhaps on one world a local governer is abusing his/her slaves. But that would be a problem with that leader, not with the system of Imperial Slavery. It is a shame that we never get to hear why the slaves are revolting, it might make it easier to support them if we understood their plight.
 
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Drathmar

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Riepah said:
I never claimed that the revolting ones were always in the right. But in this scenario, I just find it unlikely that someone who went into slavery over a matter of honor would suddenly change their mind and revolt for no reason. With how little information they give us, there's no way to know for sure, but I think we're given more reasons to believe that slaves aren't handled as wonderfully as the Imperium likes to claim, than we are to think that slaves in two different star systems suddenly decide to revolt because, uh, some slave leader formed them into some kind of cult, as you suggest. I doubt "slave leaders" have access to the sort of communication devices required to do such a thing. How do you make an entire planet into a cult? I think it's much easier to imagine a planet full of maltreated slaves, than a whole planet in the clutches of a cult.



That's what I'm asking. Why?
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For all we know, they were backed by the Federation and talked into it by federation spies to cause instability in the Empire before the succession, and then abandoned to their fate against imperial forces. Bad Feds. Bad.
 

crushdepth

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Riepah said:
If slavery in the Empire were really so unicorns and rainbows as they make us believe, why'd they be revolting, now?
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I've been through two military coups. All you need is some politicians, some lies, a few bombs here and there, a fair bit of cash and a large amount of stupidity (which will be readily supplied by the public).
 
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daan2002

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daan2002
my Emperor side is about to come out "execute order 66" wipe them out all of them!!!!

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anikaiful said:
Equal rights for the kittens! :O ...*mutter* stupid dogs.
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i will drown kittens for every puppy you touch :D
 
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Kadius

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Riepah said:
That's what I'm asking. Why?
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Imagine yourself a charismatic young Lord of the Imperial realm, as your father was before you and his before him. After the suspiciously untimely death of your father, you find yourself head of your house, with a host of vassals, servants and slaves at your command as well as treasury vast enough for a few generations, however you never paid much attention to your tutors and due to an extremely extravagant wife, lifestyle and devastatingly poor financial ventures, you have bankrupt your once vast holdings.

Your house, once a bright standard of Imperial might and prosperity is now destitute, you have lost your vassals, servants and slaves, your wife's family has appealed to the mercy of the Emperor to annul your marriage and as you had no children he agrees, and in the end you find that the only remaining option to save the honor of your house is to sell yourself into slavery to settle your debts.

At first the idea seemed right, honorable, but time passes and then you recall your past life, you think to yourself, "I was a Lord, a Lord of the realm and such servitude is beneath me!". You never did pay attention to your tutors, but you were always charismatic and people tended to listen to what you had to say, so you wait and you plan, you say the right words in the right places for the right ears and a word spreads..."revolt".
 

Riepah

Riepah
Kadius said:
Imagine yourself a charismatic young Lord of the Imperial realm, as your father was before you and his before him. After the suspiciously untimely death of your father, you find yourself head of your house, with a host of vassals, servants and slaves at your command as well as treasury vast enough for a few generations, however you never paid much attention to your tutors and due to an extremely extravagant wife, lifestyle and devastatingly poor financial ventures, you have bankrupt your once vast holdings.

Your house, once a bright standard of Imperial might and prosperity is now destitute, you have lost your vassals, servants and slaves, your wife's family has appealed to the mercy of the Emperor to annul your marriage and as you had no children he agrees, and in the end you find that the only remaining option to save the honor of your house is to sell yourself into slavery to settle your debts.

At first the idea seemed right, honorable, but time passes and then you recall your past life, you think to yourself, "I was a Lord, a Lord of the realm and such servitude is beneath me!". You never did pay attention to your tutors, but you were always charismatic and people tended to listen to what you had to say, so you wait and you plan, you say the right words in the right places for the right ears and a word spreads..."revolt".
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Okay. I still think "Slaves aren't treated as good as the media would have us believe" is a ton more likely than two charismatic ex-lords triggering revolts on different planets.
 

Kadius

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Riepah said:
Okay. I still think "Slaves aren't treated as good as the media would have us believe" is a ton more likely than two charismatic ex-lords triggering revolts on different planets.
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Good treatment is relative, a homeless man constantly on the brink of starvation for months or years would find regular food, clothing and shelter in exchange for servitude, good treatment. A noble accustomed to a higher quality of life, wouldn't.
 

Riepah

Riepah
Kadius said:
Good treatment is relative, a homeless man constantly on the brink of starvation for months or years would find regular food, clothing and shelter in exchange for servitude, good treatment. A noble accustomed to a higher quality of life, wouldn't.
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I really, really doubt that enough of a whole planet's slave population consists of former nobles who suddenly decide that slavery isn't good enough for them. In two solar systems after another, even though the first rebellion was crushed. Wouldn't formerly spoiled, pampered nobles be the first to back down when faced with probable defeat?

Why did they even wait with their rebellion until the other one was over? Wouldn't it have made more sense to rebel at the same time to split the Empire's forces up? Or are they going to keep rebelling one after the other, getting in line, so the Empire players don't have to decide which front to fight on?
 

anikaiful

anikaiful
Riepah said:
Why did they even wait with their rebellion until the other one was over? Wouldn't it have made more sense to rebel at the same time to split the Empire's forces up? Or are they going to keep rebelling one after the other, getting in line, so the Empire players don't have to decide which front to fight on?
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Question though: did they know there was something going on elsewhere? I highly doubt.
 

EAGLE 5

EAGLE 5
I will gladly take the side that puts me having those pompous zealot clones in flying apple products in my crosshairs. With that shields up flame on!
 
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