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And what speaks against another choice: A mode for the players where switching is not possible?

You would probably have to pay for that, since it would require a whole new server, and I think you'd find it far more empty than Open is, but I suppose that could be a possibility.
 
It's a statement of fact, not an argument.

The fact is that over 25,000 backers liked the stated game design contained in the Kickstarter pitch enough to back the game with sufficient funds to exceed the £1,250,000 goal comfortably.

I think you were missing my point. Look to what I responded, please.
 
Personally I don't see the need for an official statement. There's a minority of forum posters thinking something is wrong with the status-quo purely because they want everyone in Open.

I still think FD and the community at large would benefit from an official statement, because fewer players would be holding out false hopes about change, and Kickstarter backers and other supporters would be spending less time trying to defend the design. It's not good to let this continue festering as a cause of friction between players in the forum (IMO).

Even if there was a statement, the discussion wouldn't end. There would be a discussion about the statement and then go back to "open" vs "solo" topic.

Probably true, followed by statements of doom and gloom if FD doesn't see the light. EvE Valkyrie and Star Citizen are on the horizon, and that should take some pressure off ED to make fundamental changes.
 
But if there is no difference between solo and open in the opportunity to avoid other players, where exactly is the choice? And what speaks against another choice: A mode for the players where switching is not possible?

The choice is in that they can (if they are able) play in any mode they like. As for a mode for the players where switching is not possible... that choice may be available in some other game, but it is not one of the choices on offer in ED, sorry. The game is what it is and you can either accept that or not but there is no evidence forthcoming from FD that this core aspect is going to change.
 

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But if there is no difference between solo and open in the opportunity to avoid other players, where exactly is the choice? And what speaks against another choice: A mode for the players where switching is not possible?

There is not "no difference". The difference between solo and open is that the former guarantees that the player will meet no other players.

I know from your previous posts on the topic that you would like a closed play-mode with a dedicated commander - why not create a suggestion thread putting forward a compelling case for it to be added to the game design? Bear in mind though that, in a recent poll, only 42% of players indicated that they would play on open only - such a mode would guarantee that you would play in a mode with a lower proportion of the population than open can currently have.
 
There is not "no difference". The difference between solo and open is that the former guarantees that the player will meet no other players.

Ha! No we're talking! And I want a server that guarantees that the risk of 'unwanted' player-interaction is allways there. Hey, Joe Spivey: Look at this!
 

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Ha! No we're talking! And I want a server that guarantees that the risk of 'unwanted' player-interaction is allways there. Hey, Joe Spivey: Look at this!

You can do that in open at the moment - you just have to find the other players.

.... or create a private group and have at it with the other group members.

If, you can find players that want to attack you, of course - not all players want that as we have all been told to "play the game how you want to".
 
I doubt it. That is just speculation, not backed by any evidence. We have hundreds of groups now. Do they all have their own servers?

They do not, it is just one game. Everyone in Solo, Open, and Private group are all playing the same game, with the same servers, the same data set, the same save info, and the same background sim. Open / Solo / Private group is simply a matchmaking choice that lets you choose who you get paired with when you play, but in all other respects its the same game on the same server.

Having an entirely separate group that cannot migrate its save, would have its own background sim that the other groups wouldnt effect and would only have the Open matchmaking option available to them would require a whole new server set.
 
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The choice is in that they can (if they are able) play in any mode they like. As for a mode for the players where switching is not possible... that choice may be available in some other game, but it is not one of the choices on offer in ED, sorry.

So such players cannot choose the mode they like. I hope this is going to change someday.

The game is what it is and you can either accept that or not

The game won't change anymore? Really?

but there is no evidence forthcoming from FD that this core aspect is going to change.

That is the reason why I suggested this idea.
 
Ha! No we're talking! And I want a server that guarantees that the risk of 'unwanted' player-interaction is allways there. Hey, Joe Spivey: Look at this!

Well, test the water, start a private group, your rules, be that about 'no switching', a 200ly radius, an ironman element, whatever floats your boat. If your idea is popular and your group size will be a great indicator of that, then Frontier will probably listen.
 
They do not, it is just one game. Everyone in Solo, Open, and Private group are all playing the same game, with the same servers, the same data set, the same save info, and the same background sim. Open / Solo / Private group is simply a matchmaking choice that lets you choose who you get paired with when you play.

So another mode won't need another server.
 
Well, test the water, start a private group, your rules, be that about 'no switching', a 200ly radius, an ironman element, whatever floats your boat. If your idea is popular and your group size will be a great indicator of that, then Frontier will probably listen.

No, I have too much to do in real life. I hope they listen because it makes sense to them.
 
It would not - it would be (as mentioned above) a matchmaking system setting, just like the other three modes (well, solo, open and unknown numbers of private groups).

Yeah, but that is exactly what I am suggesting. One mode you can't change back from, like the hardcore mode in Diablo 3 (without permadeath).
 
So another mode won't need another server.

In the sense you are suggesting it would actually because you aren't simply asking for a new matchmaking option, youre asking for a whole new server where you can only play Open and the other groups aren't effecting or able to enter your world, but its pretty clear you don't and are not going to understand how the servers work in this game so its pointless trying to argue this with you.
 
No, I have too much to do in real life. I hope they listen because it makes sense to them.

Then it really cannot be that important to you if you are unwilling to give your preferred gameplay style a go in a readily-testable environment that you can implement right now?

And as for control over switchers, that is out of your control - as it is in any game environment.
 
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As an open player who is totally, 100% fine with the current system this debate perplexes me. Some of my fellow 'openers' will spy a thread with the title, 'I was griefed outside x, y, z station' and reply with a poll that shows only 6-8% of the community say they have been griefed, this they cry is proof that the problem does not exist, and to a large degree I agree it is indeed a small problem. But, you cannot have it both ways, the 'players are gonna shoot me with their ill gotten solo gains' problem - if indeed there is one at all, seems even less prevalent, I have yet to see any evidence that this 'problem' even exists. It seems that some players are far too focused on the paranoia, on the smallest, remotest, extremely unlikely possibility of this happening when they should, in fact, be enjoying open and not worrying about it, as they tell those that play solo to do in every other post on the 'i was griefed' threads.
You seem reasonable, I think you are in the wrong place.;)
 
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