It was just the terminology that I was discussing, something that's irked me since the days of UO and EQ. Balance. Not every path a player takes should be the same, and they should have different struggles and a different feel to them. I was agreeing with your point, but I guess disagreeing with the way you termed it. Each profession should have its own opportunities and progression within that field, but I think comparing two different ones solely on how much they might make an hour to be apples and oranges. It shouldn't be about the income, but about how worthy it is to do those things to a player. Rewards should be more than just credits. And no, I'm not sure where I'm going with that, just a gut feeling, as I'm not caught up in that race to get the next shiny toy.
I love bounty hunting, so I am doomed not to progress.
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It was just the terminology that I was discussing, something that's irked me since the days of UO and EQ. Balance. Not every path a player takes should be the same, and they should have different struggles and a different feel to them. I was agreeing with your point, but I guess disagreeing with the way you termed it. Each profession should have its own opportunities and progression within that field, but I think comparing two different ones solely on how much they might make an hour to be apples and oranges. It shouldn't be about the income, but about how worthy it is to do those things to a player. Rewards should be more than just credits. And no, I'm not sure where I'm going with that, just a gut feeling, as I'm not caught up in that race to get the next shiny toy.
I get what you are trying to say and I mostly agree. What I would like to see is some specific reward. We all get money, more or less. Fine. But for many, including myself, money just doesn't cut it. Now some go for the pure joy of it (sigh....) but I would need some profession related reward. Like a galaxy wide ranking system (oh wait, we have ranks! though useless at the time being) that offers us, I don't know, special weapons or special ships. I would like to have a ship that I earned because I destroyed hundreds of pirates and when people see my ship they know it. Get where I'm heading? It's just not rewarding as it is right now.
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I've heard from a bug that prevents those missions from working correctly. (No first "hint"-USS-event, if multiple missions were taken.)
Did this bug ever exist? And if yes: is it fixed?
I would geuss, yes, if you don't absolve your missions one after the other, but accept more than one at a time...
So, do you?
This is unusual.
I normally take a mission, go to the least useful of the three systems listed (since the target will be found in another system), spend a few minutes creeping around at 30km/s looking at USSes, get the specific location, then do the same thing in the specified sector. Rarely takes more than two or three USSes, often they are the first or second one I check. A handful do take longer, but again, this is rare. Out of dozens of these missions only one or two required more than five USS for a step.
But is it ever going to work - that's kind of my point. A P2P network that can only instance 32 players and would seem to randomly place you in one. One thing I'm not sure about is whether or not these instances are area based. Mt friend in the US and me in the UK could not get together after 6or 7 disconnects and reconnects. Is it even possible to get in an instance in Open Play with people in other countries because if not, ED for me is going to be a waste of time and I suspect other people too. I thought that if you and a friend (as in an added friend in ED) joined OP it would try to put you together - do you (or anyone else) know how the instancing works?
It concerns me that MP hasn't been thought out particularly well for ED and might not go the way we want it to.
Undoubtedly trading is the best way to make income but you are doing something wrong if you can't make millions bounty hunting. I've been playing since the official launch for about 2 hours a day and I've netted mearly 10 million bounty hunting. Now for a trader that is terrible but I'm happy with it.
Although I've not read all the thread I'm sure you've also been asked why you need millions anyway? The game is not about amassing credits but having fun. You say you love the hunt, me too, so stop worrying about your balance and go kill some bad guys
A big Aww hell no! from me on that one. I think that would go against the very core of the game. This is not a game of linear progression and levelling up, beating bosses, getting achievements. Now as far as achievements go, I would LOVE to be able to buy a bumper sticker for my ship at Hutton Orbital...I made it to Hutton Orbital, and all I got was this lousy sticker
No, it's not. It's between 1.5 to 3 times as much in a comparable ship, not orders of magnitude. A Cobra kitted out for responsible trading with 40 T capacity can do between 300 kCR and 600 kCR per hour purely trading. Then as Underhook says, you can make 250 kCR per hour in a combat Cobra with NPC Cobras to kill.
What you guys are doing is comparing the potential CR/h of T7's, Clippers, and T9's to what you can do in your Cobras and Eagles, but that's not fair. Trade is not imbalanced; what's missing is a lack of content (and pay) for the combat ships which are in the same tier as the T9's.
A big Aww hell no! from me on that one. I think that would go against the very core of the game. This is not a game of linear progression and levelling up, beating bosses, getting achievements. Now as far as achievements go, I would LOVE to be able to buy a bumper sticker for my ship at Hutton Orbital...I made it to Hutton Orbital, and all I got was this lousy sticker
I too am against the idea of rewards just for the sake of rewards. But I can see where he's coming from. A working reputation system would lean towards that. Yeah, it's a leveling thing, but it can rise and fall based on your actions, and is more of an indicator of who you are. And maybe that's just it, instead of attaching a label to someone because of what they have, it should be able what kind of person they are (whether that be the player or the character they play. One in the same really, if the game works right).
Now that's a good point. +1
Of course smugglers need cargo space. The more they carry, the more profit per flight. Smuggling as in buying illegal goods where they are legal and selling them at a black market, right?
Ye-es, but when you talk about balance, you only talk about money. No other factors.
There's more to the game than money. That means there's more to creating balance than earnings.
The real "problem" I see with bounty hunting is that much of the bounties you collect can not be cashed in immediately.
When you finish a trade run, you are richer.
When you are hunting for bounty you are potentially richer. Realizing profit is what takes time and amassing some bounties to be worthwhile the trip is therefore tempting.
Just lost about 1.7 mio bounties in the Alliance and the Empire after crashing my vessel into an asteroid (FA OFF at an extraction site...
So, yes, bounty hunting can be very profitable. If you don't act like a noob and try to play billards with celestial mountains...
As much as I despise the trade grind I have to disagree. When a trader has a full cargo hold and loses his ship, along with his cargo, I akin that to a combat pilot loosing his unclaimed bounties because his ship was destroyed. Actually the trader might have it worse because not only did he lose his ship and profit but also the capital he put in to buying his cargo.
Risk vs. rewards. The more likely you'll get caught, the more irrelevant you were carrying more cargo. Not saying you can't use a huge freighter to smuggle something, but you're making it harder to succeed (with everything else equal).
I find it rather trivial and risk free to smuggle stuff to outposts, but then again it makes no sense in the first place as the profits are usually worse than shipping Res Seps from a high tech system to a refinery and gold back, so smuggling is rather pointless now
The best trade ship in the game costs 175m. I trade and bounty hunt. I have owned a t9 but I hated it so I'm trading in a Python now. I've spent less than 100m on outfitting and not all of that was on trading. The majority of it was on non trade vessels.
Trading costs the least to upgrade.
Bounty hunting is much better than it was in beta. It's probably the second highest paid career right now. So I think it doesn't need any love until the other careers get some.
But it does need love, particularly at the higher end.
I am fine with reputation based perks such as getting the Imperial Clipper, or certain missions being available or not based on faction rep. I am however absolutely opposed to things like weapons upgrades, ship availability, damage perks, things like that based on your combat, trading, or exploring rank. That would essentially be unlocking rewards for levelling up.
You pay 60 pounds for a game and by week 2 (if you are slow/busy with life) you've maxed out the best ship for combat and you've done every mission 10 times over, then people point out that hey you've got the best ship for the job, what more do you want?
really?
This game was such a rip off, but it serviced the fans and the scammers got both cash and acclaim, all they had to do was put in just enough content to get a few good reviews.
really?
This game was such a rip off, but it serviced the fans and the scammers got both cash and acclaim, all they had to do was put in just enough content to get a few good reviews.