Done playing

[Amaze]

It's not FD's responsibility to handhold the player. They've bent over backwards to provide as much assistance in the way of information that a player could possibly need, it's up to the player to know how much money they have, and what their insurance is. If you can't manage your money properly, you lose it all if things like this happen.

You can call it hand holding if you want. I call it good game mechanics.

Perhaps the warning that you are loitering when you forget to ask for docking clearance is hand holding too.
and the station could blow you up without warning, but is that good and fun game play?

 

[Corwyn]

Once upon a time many people were killed in industrial accidents. In the vast bulk of cases, the person killed (or maimed) had done something wrong which resulted in the death/injury. The companies said not to blame them. There was nothing they could do about people being stupid.

Then the laws changed and companies could be sued successfully even if they could show that the person did something wrong. Suddenly catwalks got railings, machine intakes got grates, and auto-cutoffs were added to prevent machinery from starting while being accessed. Deaths went down dramatically.

A game is good when its fun for the players. I game is bad when it's not fun. A single game can be simultaneously good and bad depending on who the players are. For me, this event is one of the things that makes this a bad game. Though its not true for everyone; I'm clearly not alone in my position either.

I didn't actually blame the game for a lack of insurance. I blamed the game for not being fun. Don't blame me for your reading comprehension.

You can't compare real life events with in game events, no one really dies in a game, in fact, according to the lore of ED, Cmdrs don't die, when their ship is destroyed, or rather, just before, they are encased in a safety capsule and ejected, then sent to their last port of call.

It's the player's responsibility to know how much money they have, and how much their insurance deductible is, if they put all their money into cargo, they only have themselves to blame. If you find the game not fun, then it's time for you to find something that is, and if you've uninstalled it, why are you still trash talking the game because of your own failings, on their forums. Take responsibility for your own actions.

 

[SAB380]

You can call it hand holding if you want. I call it good game mechanics.

Perhaps the warning that you are loitering when you forget to ask for docking clearance is hand holding too.
and the station could blow you up without warning, but is that good and fun game play?

Also, the station gives a warning and fine if you enter without docking clearance, should you forget to ask before entering.

Too much hand holding ....heat seeker missiles should be released instantly....or even better, when you are still 1km out.

 

[Toxic_Waster]

You can call it hand holding if you want. I call it good game mechanics.

Perhaps the warning that you are loitering when you forget to ask for docking clearance is hand holding too.
and the station could blow you up without warning, but is that good and fun game play?

It's the fun gameplay when players have the responsibility for their assets and having 5% insurance is the very soft treatment. Let's say even with 1% insurance deductible we'd have the same amount of the delicious tears here.

 

[Djinn144]

Truth be told: I would not be surprised if I was near abandoning the game regardless.

I was grinding to try to get enough money to get a well equipped ASP. When I did, the toughest combat missions (Elite Anaconda kills) would become relatively easy (I could already do them in my Cobra, though my success rate was <100%). Since I'm aware of no faster way to make money without mining/trading, and since the max income rate on that is relatively low when we start discussing the hundreds of millions to equip an Anaconda, I think the grind would have gotten to me.

It's be big reason I don't play MMOs. God knows I don't mind slow-burn games (X3, Civ on large maps with slow pace, KSP); but repetition can get... repetitious.

In some games trading/mining have been fun to do; but picking up things in space is so slow in ED, and the trade routes so... generated in feel... that for me at least it hasn't been there. I know others have a different experience with those aspects. The tedium of FS travel is another thing that bogs down the game for me, especially with no auto-pilot and the tendency for the game to overshoot speeds.

As a child of the 80s, I grew up with video games that made you start over from the beginning when you died. That's hardly new. But I think what bothers me is that I have to start the *grind* over. If it were just plain fun to do, I wouldn't care.

sounds like you have calmed down alittle, i agree that the insurance system isnt the best as it is just now and i think it should be bought/paid for when you buy your ship and then repaid if you use it and i feel for you as you did have the insurance to start with but then bought cargo for the mission you were on but accidents happen, i myself have flown without insurance a couple of times due to this, now however im in a type 7 for trading and have a nicely fitted cobra for some combat when the trading just gets to much, and that the cost of builds for anything larger than the type 7 is just a pure grind but thats what the cobra is for , i trade for a few hours or for as long as i can till i get bored then hop into the Cobra for some fun, this is what id suggest to anyone to do as well, get one ship for Trade and 1 for combat at least that way the "grind" is less tedious as you can swap back and forth and it should go with out saying do not fly without insurance but if you do be prepaired to loose what you have. anyway GL in what you decide to do.

 

[JerryLove]

You can't compare real life events with in game events,

Obviously I can, as I did.

I'm always amazed when someone sees something happen and responds with "that can't happen".

no one really dies in a game, in fact, according to the lore of ED, Cmdrs don't die, when their ship is destroyed, or rather, just before, they are encased in a safety capsule and ejected, then sent to their last port of call.

Um. Ok. I'm not sure I see your point.

It's the player's responsibility to know how much money they have, and how much their insurance deductible is, if they put all their money into cargo, they only have themselves to blame.

I don't think I blamed anyone; but I also don't agree with your assertion.

If you find the game not fun, then it's time for you to find something that is,

Totally did that. X3 is back on.

and if you've uninstalled it, why are you still trash talking the game

Because I feel like it?

because of your own failings, on their forums. Take responsibility for your own actions.

I know you *think* you have a point...

 

[Corwyn]

You can call it hand holding if you want. I call it good game mechanics.

Perhaps the warning that you are loitering when you forget to ask for docking clearance is hand holding too.
and the station could blow you up without warning, but is that good and fun game play?

I don't see it. I see a player remembering what they have, and keeping track of their money. It's listed on the right panel, along with their insurance deductible cost, it's listed in the lower right corner of the commodities screen. Adding a dialogue box saying "You're spending too much money, stop now or you'll whine on the forums" is just saying that FD thinks their players are too stupid to even be touching a computer.

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Obviously I can, as I did.

I'm always amazed when someone sees something happen and responds with "that can't happen".

Um. Ok. I'm not sure I see your point.

I don't think I blamed anyone; but I also don't agree with your assertion.

Totally did that. X3 is back on.

Because I feel like it?

I know you *think* you have a point...

I rest my case, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[tricky]

simple fix from the FD...insurance is bought at ship purchase....that way this cant happen.....and in beta i flew without insurance many times and started over many times,,,in live ...i dont undock without the insurance money

Rebuy! Not insurance. Your insurance has already been paid for by the Pilots Federation. Does no one read the manual these days?

 

[Perjoss]

An insurance warning would be ok i guess, I'm always aware of my cash situation and any time I've undocked with no insurance I knew exactly what the deal was. What I do find strange though is there is no warning for something like this, yet if I want to grab a courrier mission for an amount of cargo larger than my ship can support it wont let me.

Just let me take the mission with a warning and I will find a way after to complete it, its my problem. This is bad because if i go and mod my ship for max cargo when i come back to take the mission its usually gone.

 

[WalterHWhite]

Just skimmed the thread. Sounds like you're a bad loser OP. No big deal though.

 

[ianstrauss]

What's the fuss?

You died without insurance? No one else to blame but yourself. You got an expensive tuition there.

Take it as experience, suck it like a man.

Even in real life, its not how many times you fall, but its how many times you've risen back.

learn from your short comings and move on.

Losers always put the blame on others for their short comings.

 

[smsKONG]

Best comment I've seen on this.

Yes in the future it'll be far worse than now - so why we aren't playing Elite:Health & Safety, god only knows

 

[tricky]

It's the fun gameplay when players have the responsibility for their assets and having 5% rebuy is the very soft treatment. Let's say even with 1% rebuy deductible we'd have the same amount of the delicious tears here.

I'd have to be in a really souped up Anacoda to really notice my Founders rebuy costs, even then I don't think it would hurt that much or cause "delicious tears."

 

[Enride]

I spend weeks trying to build up any money in this repetition grind. Then I crash into some black ship blocking the entrance to a station, and loose millions.

Thanks to this stupid obsession the company has with online play, there's no old save to go back to, no cheat to not have to spend weeks grinding the same missions over and over and over.

I'm done with the game. It's not fun enough to play for any reason other than to build, and to suddenly die over something so stupid, leaving me with no ability to re-equip... I'm not ready to spend a month of what little free time I have to get back to where I started.

I'm done.

No one cares that I'm done. I know. But I wanted to rant because... this is bad design.

Ok bye, tnx for the money.

 

[smsKONG]

Rebuy! Not insurance. Your insurance has already been paid for by the Pilots Federation. Does no one read the manual these days?

Pfft; Manuals are for noobs
I mean who cares if some mystery benefactor has bought you a lifetime insurance policy and loaned you a ship... I guess the best way of not looking a gift horse in the mouth is by ignoring it entirely

 

[ChubbyBunneh]

Really lowering the bar now. This sort of thing used to happen at the Asp level. If this keeps up we'll have Sidewinder pilots ragequitting.

 

[Corwyn]

Really lowering the bar now. This sort of thing used to happen at the Asp level. If this keeps up we'll have Sidewinder pilots ragequitting.

That's fine, I'll still be here

 

[Goilveig]

You have a trade route that makes several million in 30 min with nothing larger than a Cobra?

Then I've obviously been doing this wrong. I've not seen anything with nearly that kind of turn-over. I disbelieve your implication.

Several mil in 30 minutes? No. But it's pretty easy to make around a mil an hour in a Cobra by trading (when I do it, I don't get rid of my shields, so I only use 44T cargo space). A full loop takes me about 72 minutes and nets me about 1.2 mil.

 

[DYSEQTA]

Thanks to this stupid obsession the company has with online play, there's no old save to go back to, no cheat to not have to spend weeks grinding the same missions over and over and over... this is bad design.

Well that's a first on me. No cheats equals bad design. Gotcha.

At least you owned the fact that the cause of this was your own mistake...

 

[JerryLove]

What's the fuss?

People don't like critcism of their game.

You died without insurance? No one else to blame but yourself. You got an expensive tuition there.

Not really: Game is uninstalled.

Take it as experience, suck it like a man.

That's an odd turn-of-phrase.

Even in real life, its not how many times you fall, but its how many times you've risen back. learn from your short comings and move on.

I learned I don't really want to play the game.

Losers always put the blame on others for their short comings.

What are people who don't actually read posts then?