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I don't really think data size is an issue. I'm willing to bet that the entirety of Elite Dangerous is vastly smaller than your average 50Gb AAA action game. Procedurally generated systems are often quite light. Read a bit about it here: http://www.jongware.com/galaxy1.html

Now look at the computational power that existed at the time to create/run Frontier and compare to the power you have today as well as the advances in algorithms, data compression and all the other factors.

Edit: Google Earth is massive due to all the non-procedural data. You can not compare that to a procedural system like the FD galaxy which draws on a relatively small set of data (textures/models) to populate the procedurally generated galaxy.

Sorry if I don't take seriously anything written by someone with a forum nick like yours....

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We had this topic coming up too often. It's always the same. The OP failed and died and blames the game, that doesn't have anything to do with it.
End of story.

Yes, dumb people are annoying enough already, but arrogant and dumb, not a good mix
 
Sorry if I don't take seriously anything written by someone with a forum nick like yours....

Yeah, because that's super relevant. I'm not even going to explain, again, why my name is such as it is. But with your big brains I'm sure you'll arrive at a semi-accurate conclusion. Your baseless antagonism has been noted and fully savored.
 
How big is the database for 400billion systems? Do you know if you could host that locally? <snip> Consider the scale. An "offline mode" might be 100 times bigger than Frontier, but no more than that...

They somehow managed to cram the 100 billion procedurally generated systems into Frontier Elite II, and that was less than a Megabyte.

I think your argument is flawed somewhat.

As for the OP, I don't think he deserves this level of a beating; while flying without insurance is stupid, there's no need to set upon him like a pack of rabid wolves.

Since launch, these forums have devolved into a pretty hostile place to be, which is a shame.
 
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I don't really think data size is an issue. I'm willing to bet that the entirety of Elite Dangerous is vastly smaller than your average 50Gb AAA action game. Procedurally generated systems are often quite light. Read a bit about it here: http://www.jongware.com/galaxy1.html

Now look at the computational power that existed at the time to create/run Frontier and compare to the power you have today as well as the advances in algorithms, data compression and all the other factors.

Edit: Google Earth is massive due to all the non-procedual data. You can not compare that to a procedural system like the FD Galaxy, which draws on a relatively small set of data (textures/models) to populate the procedurally generated galaxy.

You're right about Google Earth of course, it was a bad example. However, Frontier didn't have any sense of a dynamic galaxy. You could scum a trade route forever, and never, ever, ever run out of stock or affect the trade prices. I've seen prices change by over 10% in ED on popular routes (Wolf 562, LHS380, Bunda(?) for example) As you explore the galaxy, the explored systems have to update, the trading and politics of the systems update etc., plus your loyalties to factions in EVERY system. Even if that was compressed down to an average of 32 bytes per system, the database would be 12TB. I work in IT, so that kind of storage these days is pretty cheap from my perspective. £4000-£10000 or so including GFS backup. I spent £21,000 on a system last year with 16TB on a redundant array of 3 servers. Easy. Not the kind of thing a home user could set up though...

Of course, you could assume that the database could grow as you explore, i.e. each "non searched" system would result in an empty search and so just end up procedural until explored or traded in, but you can't work on the assumption that some deep space explorer isn't going to explore and trade their way through tens of thousands of systems in a year, and you still need a database engine that can cope with that running on a gaming PC, which will be less than ideal. You need fast drives, fast memory and fast processors. My servers above have 16GB each, and I've seen them scraping off the ceiling if the load balance is off whilst we're doing merge queries for example.
 
If you can't afford to buy.. You can't afford to fly![/video]

Such originality. You are extremely clever. No one did this before you. Bravo!

This community is truly great. I want to play open with all you nice people - and hug everyone single one of you. This thread is testament to the nice community spirit this game has built.
 
They somehow managed to cram the 100 billion procedurally generated systems into Frontier Elite II, and that was less than a Megabyte.

I think your argument is flawed somewhat.

As for the OP, I don't think he deserves this level of a beating; while flying without insurance is stupid, there's no need to set upon him like a pack of rabid wolves.

Since launch, these forums have devolved into a pretty hostile place to be, which is a shame.

Hostile? Yea true, I'll give you that. But also very easy to avoid. If people would start to think before they act 90% of threads would be obsolete.
 
We had this topic coming up too often. It's always the same. The OP failed and died and blames the game, that doesn't have anything to do with it.
End of story.

I appreciate that Starbuckz but why reply to them with an insult when ignoring the thread is easier? :) Everyone has a rage quit moment in a game. Everyone. We've all been there done that. Personally I prefer to sympathise and say keep trying. :)
 
Such originality. You are extremely clever. No one did this before you. Bravo!

This community is truly great. I want to play open with all you nice people - and hug everyone single one of you. This thread is testament to the nice community spirit this game has built.

Since you are still nagging about people's behavior, WHAT is it that you expect them to do? I am getting tired answering the same questions over and over again. I am getting tired of people complaining about THEIR mistakes and blame game mechanics for it.

This game is not complicated, there are tons of tutorials, videos, actually helpful thread in the forums, even a search function!
Still the whiners won't stop nor change, why should we?
 
They somehow managed to cram the 100 billion procedurally generated systems into Frontier Elite II, and that was less than a Megabyte.

I think your argument is flawed somewhat.

As for the OP, I don't think he deserves this level of a beating; while flying without insurance is stupid, there's no need to set upon him like a pack of rabid wolves.

Since launch, these forums have devolved into a pretty hostile place to be, which is a shame.

+ rep. I'm constantly "amazed" by the barrage of insulting garbage leveled at anyone who makes a post similar to OP. We all get it... buy insurance, no need to be this petulantly nasty about it.
 
I appreciate that Starbuckz but why reply to them with an insult when ignoring the thread is easier? :) Everyone has a rage quit moment in a game. Everyone. We've all been there done that. Personally I prefer to sympathise and say keep trying. :)

I never insulted anyone, or at least I think so? I've often been asking that myself, why do I even bother? But somehow I can't let threads like this one stand without a reply because people will start to believe OP is right, if no one else is speaking up to it. Something like that.
 
+ rep. I'm constantly "amazed" by the barrage of insulting garbage leveled at anyone who makes a post similar to OP. We all get it... buy insurance, no need to be this petulantly nasty about it.
Just curious if you are so disillusioned with the community and with his particular thread why are you here, wouldn't you save yourself a lot of heartache by not being in this thread? I know I don't hang around in areas I don't like. You should change your name to DoneWithFDExceptForTrollPosts.
 
Just curious if you are so disillusioned with the community and with his particular thread why are you here, wouldn't you save yourself a lot of heartache by not being in this thread? I know I don't hang around in areas I don't like. You should change your name to DoneWithFDExceptForTrollPosts.

Ah, the classic "Arguments that don't align with my views = troll".

I'm not suffering heartache or any other condition you might try to pin on me. I'm a big boy, I can handle where to post and what, all by myself. Thank you very much for your concern.
 
What's insurance :D

Yeah :)

I'd like to amend "The Golden Rule":-

Don't EVER fly without insurance unless, like me, if the worst happens you can go back to a free Startwinder with a wry smile and a "well, let's see what adventures await us THIS time" attitude.

For me, progress in this game is about my physical and mental skills as a gamer; not some great grind towards an Anaconda :)
 
Not another " I didn`t have enough to cover the insurance rage quit " *FacePalm* when will people learn not to fly what they can`t afford to lose ?

Exactly, OP you get no sympathy around here for what is basically you taking a risk which didn't pay.
 
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