Players losing it all and quitting - sure, their fault but not good for the game.
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Snakebite
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It's the xbox generation..... They are used to games with 48hr gameplay where loosing actually means restarting from the save point 5 minutes previous...
They are simply not used to loosing and having to start over this causes irresponsible and risky gameplay.....
It also explains griefing mentality quite a bit too, they are not used to games where your behaviour results in significant consequences to your future gameplay. thats why in Elite they have serious consequences for attacking an innocent player rather than a small fine like in other games :-/
Best sad / sarcastic comment of the week.
I don't think it matters at all in terms of game population.
No, you really don't, do you?
It's not an IQ test, boys. It's not 'Darwinism' in action. It's not dumbing down the game. It's about making an intuitive UI that explains IMPORTANT stuff, just - k'now - the once.
You know... People who really quit because they lose everything probably would have quit at some other point anyway because this game just might not be for them, and that should be totally ok. True, there is no explicit message about being below the insurance line flashing in your face before you take off, but this is the way it is was made, and this is for a reason. There is already a pretty generous loan mechanism of 200,000 in place for beginners. This way, you learn about insurance as you play the game. It took me being destroyed 2 times in my Eagle, going deep into debt, and having my earnings garnished for a length of time to fully appreciate how important it is to fly well, and keep money on hand for insurance. This is a title where it is almost inevitable that you will be blown up, especially if you are a beginner. If you don't understand what can happen to you if you don't take precautions even after seeing the insurance screen as a beginner a few times, then there maybe other games that you could be playing.
In the event that you somehow made it to an Asp or higher without ever being blown up, AND did not know about insurance... then damn... that is both amazing and truly unfortunate at the same time.
I agree. I have lost a couple of ships (most of the time me being an overconfident pilot when docking.) and it has been traumatic for sure
Games are supposed to be a bit more thrilling and traumatic than preparing breakfast in your real everyday life. Surely those who complain can find themself another more suitable game with little to none risk of loosing anything. Maybe there´s a breakfast sim out there for you No I really don't. The *insert not nice word* who are raging about this all were in game far long enough to know how this works. I don't think they really quit either, but just wanted to whine on the forums. Its like the guy complaining that he went afk 10 minutes and lost his ship because the docking computer didn't dock him properly, despite knowing it didn't always work before he went afk.
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when I was young I played chess a lot
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to begin with I was useless would be checkmated all the time and lose my queen stupidly
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I didn't give up and continued playing - I now enjoy it
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you learn you get better you improve you enjoy
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if people are leaving the game its not because of the quality of the game, its because they have been stupid at somepoint and aren't willing to learn from their mistakes
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to begin with I was useless would be checkmated all the time and lose my queen stupidly
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I didn't give up and continued playing - I now enjoy it
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you learn you get better you improve you enjoy
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if people are leaving the game its not because of the quality of the game, its because they have been stupid at somepoint and aren't willing to learn from their mistakes
Were you given the basic/important rules of chess before you started playing?
Snakebite
Banned
I don't like too much hand holding in a game, but this is a serious issue that many are falling foul of.
Why not instead make insurance a non-compulsory purchase option, give them the choice up-front to pay or not to pay... At least that way they won't have the excuse of miscalculating how much to hold in reserve...
[EDIT] Make it a compulsory purchase in namby pamby systems and non-compulsory in others
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Exactly. I'm in this for the long haul and any expansions that come with it. Focus on making a great game and the players will come. Focus on making a game for "everyone" and these forums are dead in six months.
I'll say it again because people like you. just. don't. frikkin'. get. it. do. you.
Improving the UI does NOT mean dumbing down the game. Why don't you guys play with your monitors turned off? Now *that's* hardcore mode...
As a die-hard '84 Elite'r, I bought an Amiga just to play it and did so for the better part of a year.
But this... I'm about to quit out and demand a refund. The bugs are excessive and the support non-existent.
But this... I'm about to quit out and demand a refund. The bugs are excessive and the support non-existent.
we are given the basic important rules of elite - in the players manual... and in the tutorial missions although I feel they should have a ship loss mission on there too
not really i sort of learnt it all from a book and by playing
today id probably google it and read that
when i got better I started to read up on tactics and opening gambits and stuff like that -practicesed them and then used them
I still remember vividly being number 5 in a chess team of 5 and having read up on fools mate decided to try it - and it worked. everyone else just looked around at me was well chuffed. As we finished so early we had a few more games and he whooped me 4-1 in the end
see if I had rage quit after the first two or 3 games on that little chess computer with the pushy in pegs - I would never have had that moment of beating someone so clearly better than me in quite an embarrassing way (for him)
You fail to factor in the number of players who will jump into this galaxy BECAUSE this game has that mechanic, and in a niche game like this, those are the types of players you want.
OP is quite right. It's very disappointing after we've all seen how long and hard a road it's been to get this genre moving forward, and to get people excited about it that so many are so eager to get rid of players in droves. I mean it's fine if you want a hardcore game or you think this or that feature is very important. But there's precious little attempt to find a way to keep those features and keep players.
All this time and effort to produce a game, people come and buy it, learn to play it enough that they actually have something to lose.. learned the flight model, landing, how to make money, enjoyed the game.. people who are 95% of the way there but do we want to find a way to keep them and get them through that last 5%? Hell no. It's always don't let the door hit you on the way out. This is a local game, for local people.
All this time and effort to produce a game, people come and buy it, learn to play it enough that they actually have something to lose.. learned the flight model, landing, how to make money, enjoyed the game.. people who are 95% of the way there but do we want to find a way to keep them and get them through that last 5%? Hell no. It's always don't let the door hit you on the way out. This is a local game, for local people.