Python/Class 6 thruster issue? (Devs please have a look)

[Clawhammer]

but thats just it. Right now it IS the best combat ship....and it shouldn't be

It is not the best combat ship, my friend killed python's and anacondas with his eagle, just by flying behind theses ships. They dont had any chance to get him into firering range. So we must nerf the eagle too? He said killing pythons is much easier then the anaconda because they are not agile as them, now we want to make them much less agil?

 

[Kyokushin]

For first.

Python is NOT a godship and i-win button. It can be beaten by cobra and viper, but it require some skill.
SLow ship with a many weak points.

For second
Do you have or flying python?

For third.
When i work hard, get 250mln credits, two months of gameplay i EXPECT to easly beat ship on cost 250k of credits and half a day of playing. It is natural.

If not, what shoud motivate me to earn 250mln of cr and play the game at all?

It's sick FD wake up ! nerfing ship that costs money that need hard working doing booring stuff to buy a ship that is made boring ? So we will have another "Orca" called "Python" but this time not so agile...

And for the record i do not own Python best ship i can buy atm is maybe Imperial Clipper, but i think that ships that costs 100 times more than a "Cobra" or 200 times more than Viper (that magical ships that every nerf crying noob flies) should be powerfull enough to take over one or even 2 of these alone! not even loosing shields in battle with these small ships

After nerf it will be like speedboats equipped with machinegun taking out a destroyer where in the world is this possible ? Only in cheap action films ?

Agree.

 

[CMDR Mini]

But the BEST combat ship should be.......dadum sishhh! A COMBAT SHIP. Not an all rounder which is what the Python is supposed to be. The Vulture is going to be a dedicated large combat ship. It will be crap at anything else so the Python needs toned down to make room for it.

I agree with that, and I will be fine with this nerf if they release an alternative to the Python at the same time.
But this will not be the case, nerf will come and python owner will have to get back on Cobra/Viper, because why would you risk a 100M ship if it doesn't perform better than 2M ship ? Every time you die in a Python, you could have fit a perfect Viper.

 

[remosito]

...that we know of. Perhaps this is partly to make space for a dedicated heavy fighter?

If the Python ends up being the next step up from the Cobra and we get medium and heavy fighters come in as steps up from the Viper then I doubt we'll hear many people complaining.

what was the ship featured in last weeks newsletter I wonder?

 

[juras]

So after the Whiners achieved victory and the python will be nerfed significantly i think its now time to nerf the Viper, ASP, and the Cobra.

They are to fast, to powerful, to agile and to well armed.

Proof?

There are videos on youtube and threads on this very Forum that show how a one of this ships can destroy a Python in seconds!
really great balance

 

[Vander Mey jr.]

At now this ship cannot attact but can defend yourself effectively. On nerf speed and shield it will not be able to defend. [...]

Everybody AT NOW can easly flee from Python fire.

"Everyone" can already flee from a Python (and, by implication, catch up with it)? The speed nerf will not change that!

Even post-nerf, the Python's shields will still be second only to the Anaconda.

We will see how that works out. FD has already gone to record stating that they will re-balance if necessary. Relax, guys.

For second
Do you have or flying python?

This is just drawing your otherwise valid arguments down the drain.

 

[remosito]

It is not the best combat ship, my friend killed python's and anacondas with his eagle, just by flying behind theses ships. They dont had any chance to get him into firering range. So we must nerf the eagle too? He said killing pythons is much easier then the anaconda because they are not agile as them, now we want to make them much less agil?

your friend said "pyhtons are less agile than anacondas"???

there goes his credibility.

 

[Shads]

i believe both of you shads and kyokushin were posting to keep the python as is therefore posting for it not against it

Really.....go back and read what I posted. things like

but thats just it. Right now it IS the best combat ship....and it shouldn't be

But the BEST combat ship should be.......dadum sishhh! A COMBAT SHIP. Not an all rounder which is what the Python is supposed to be. The Vulture is going to be a dedicated large combat ship. It will be crap at anything else so the Python needs toned down to make room for it.

 

[ZeroTolerance]

you know what with all the frickin changes they are making after release they should just frigging well scrap the current game and start again
all this crap they're changing they had a alpha and beta to sort through it

 

[Clawhammer]

your friend said "pyhtons are less agile than anacondas"???

there goes his credibility.

Yes, it is easier to stay behind them because their steering is slower.

 

[babelfisch]

you know what with all the frickin changes they are making after release they should just frigging well scrap the current game and start again

Looks like you are living up to your name

 

[Starbuckz]

No. It is a nerf on demand.

It is very bad when group of players who never flied or have a subject of discussion force developer to change element of game on early stage on product life.

This is a false assumption. The Python DOES NOT meet its intended purpose at the moment, that's why it's being adjusted.

This thread exists solely because you and the other Python pilots feel like their big favorite toy is taken away from them (which is also wrong), because you worked SO hard for them! (...)

Your complaining here won't change anything. Mike Evans already said, the new values are not set in stone and will be adjusted in the future if necessary. All of you really need to calm down, that's all there is to it.

/thread.

 

[Kyokushin]

"Everyone" can already flee from a Python (and, by implication, catch up with it). The speed nerf will not change that.

Even post-nerf, the Python's shields will still be second only to the Anaconda.

We will see how that works out. FD has already gone to record stating that they will re-balance if necessary. Relax, guys.



This is just drawing your otherwise valid arguments down the drain.

Nope. This show you do not have any idea what you are you talking about and never flied ships like Clipper, Python or Anaconda.

Shields will be similar to much faster half price clipper. Firepower is similar at now. Agility of Python is WORSE at now from Clipper.
You will know this if you have to fly Python or Clipper. I have them both.

This is a false assumption. The Python DOES NOT meet its intended purpose at the moment, that's why it's being adjusted.

This thread exists solely because you and the other Python pilots feel like their big favorite toy is taken away from them (which is also wrong), because you worked SO hard for them! (...).

Nope man.
I playing haf a year, participate on beta and i care about the game. At now one-monht playing people who dont afford (yet) good ship complains it is too strong. It is ridiculous.

I am not a pig, count with words and not offend people, and i have a many toys in garage. I can get every ship what i want.
I wrote this topic because my game experience told me it is very wrong decision, not because Python is my favorite toy. My favorite ship at now is Adder and i have three of them.

 

[remosito]

So after the Whiners achieved victory and the python will be nerfed significantly i think its now time to nerf the Viper, ASP, and the Cobra.

They are to fast, to powerful, to agile and to well armed.

Proof?

There are videos on youtube and threads on this very Forum that show how a one of this ships can destroy a Python in seconds!
really great balance

If ever that's the fault of the effectiveness of dumbfire missile spam and not the fault of the payload carrying ships

 

[Ozrix]

What I mean is, I wouldn't expect larger ships to be dogfighting and engaging in a type of battle like an Eagle of Viper would.

'Fighter' has connotations to that sort of vehicle, meaning more than a sort of combat vessel.

I agree that the Python is too nimble, and was expecting a nerf at some point. The same goes for the shields. I wasn't expecting a nerf across the board though, with velocity being the most troublesome for me. I just really enjoy flying the thing, it feels 'right and tight', if you see what I mean. It's just disheartening and demotivating is all.

 

[Vander Mey jr.]

you know what with all the frickin changes they are making after release...

I'd really liked to see an alternate reality where e.g. World of Warcraft, World of Tanks or War Thunder hadn't received "all the frickin' changes" after release...

 

[ZeroTolerance]

Looks like you are living up to your name

my name is based on the pilots federation zero tolerance for pirates being as i am a bounty hunter

 

[andrak]

FD do a good enough job of nerfing the game without you handing them a list. The Python is exactly what it is, a warship with a modest cargo capacity worthy of the 56 mil price tag. Leave it alone! Can only think posts like these are created by jealous people who can't be bothered to put the time into trading to own one.

 

[TANDKO]

Yes, it is easier to stay behind them because their steering is slower.

You are making you and your friend look bad just stop it.

 

[juras]

Well look, I have not had the game for long but it just does not seem right to me that myself, a guy with a decently kitted viper can go and just kill a guy in a Python and now its going to be made so much easier.

98/100 times I'm suppose to just loose I'd rather say, so it should be a massive massive risk for me to try and fight him, but because my ship is so small I can actually afford to try it if I want.
When I think about a battle ship like a Python dying I think about a bunch of little fighter ships like Vipers working nicely together to take it down. I can picture that in movie style and its awesome.

What are you paying 56mil for, lets make that 180mil when you properly have it battle ready and why exactly would you want to do that? To be frustrated and made bust by max 3mill Vipers?

Can someone give me a reason why I should continue trying to make money to buy bigger, more expensive ships as with this news I feel I already have the best fighting ship in the game, the Viper.
I can only see 1 reason, if you want to be a full time trader and trade just for the sake of having more credits. Not really my aim in the game.

So very this!!

I'm working again to get a python as its a nice battleship for some fun if i get bored from trading.
But where is the point of trading for months to get a Python if every noob and his dog can kill me in seconds using his little fighter which costs pennies to replace.
I really fear that if i eventually got the Python it will be already nefed to oblivion.

I still cant get it why the big Ships need to be so weak that a single fighter can take them down.
It should always need a bunch of fighters to take on an big ship.
Maybe an Elite pilot with a top notch Fighter should be able to take on a low end Big ship but it should still be a demanding fight.

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If ever that's the fault of the effectiveness of dumbfire missile spam and not the fault of the payload carrying ships

Then take on the broken Missile system and don't bow to the whiners.