Python/Class 6 thruster issue? (Devs please have a look)

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You are aware that dismissing the opinion of people who haven't flown or aren't flying a Python themselves is a fallacy?

Yes and no.

I think we need both, and hopefully some objective returns from both.

It's hard though, a lot of people seem to take this subject on a very personal stance. Thus come the disrupting comments, possibly driven by over-protection "don't touch my toy" (python owner) or jealousy "I don't have your toy, so I don't want you to enjoy it" (gelly dude).

It's hard because it "hides" the good number of righteous claims that are made, from both sides.

So please, refrain from taking this matter too personally (we're all humans, but... at least try !)

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That said, I drive a Python for now. After looking at current shields sheet-tables (even if they're a bit wrong, according to Mike), my opinion is that there was a problem. Python too good. Too strong. So I'm fine with a bit of tuning there, but please, do not call it minor though. This seems warranted, but definitely not minor.

Regarding the manoeuvrability, well maybe it's warranted, I didn't fly it long enough, nor with the best modules, to really know. It's just that... that's a bit much to hear, when you finally managed to grind your way to buy shiny Python. You know. All those hours. The drool. And when you get it, BAM. Human thing, still a tad bitter.

Now what I'd like to add, or comfort, is the price of the ship. I made a long post about it somewhere in the shield cell banks thread, but in a nuttshell : the Python has insane prices. And I was lead to think that it WAS his drawback. It will cost you an arm to maintain.

Rebuy cost, Repair cost and, to a certain margin, Buy cost are very high. And that's something you can't really know, or feel, if you never had a Python. One would think : "we all have rebuy costs and repair costs, what are this bragging Python owners crying about, again". But no, it IS very high. As in, hours of farm just to secure rebuy cost. A 250M Python will have a 12.5M rebuy cost. That's 5 hours of continuous farm on a good route.

So yeah, obviously the devs will do what they see fit in the end, but I'd like people that didn't fly the Python to realize that, when considering balance. The cost is real.

And no, for the sake of clarification, I do not think that "because it's expensive it should be crazy OP", nor that it is "balanced" now, but still, when considering balance, I'd like people (forum users and devs) to keep it mind that there is already a significant drawback in the freaking credit amount (= hours doing... "trades", and we all know how much fun that is) that this snake will cost you (buy / rebuy / repair / outfits).
 
Nope. This show you do not have any idea what you are you talking about and never flied ships like Clipper, Python or Anaconda.

Shields will be similar to much faster half price clipper. Firepower is similar at now. Agility of Python is WORSE at now from Clipper.
You will know this if you have to fly Python or Clipper. I have them both.
It seams like you need to learn your Python better.
 
Shields will be similar to much faster half price clipper. Firepower is similar at now. Agility of Python is WORSE at now from Clipper.

Numbers, please. You posted them for the Python, I'm sure you'll have them for the Clipper as well if you're making such a bold statement on them.

You will know this if you have to fly Python or Clipper. I have them both.

Oh, you have a post-nerf Python already? Because you're hellbent on allowing only the opinions of those who have flown the ship in question...
 

Ozrix

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So please, refrain from taking this matter too personally (we're all humans, but... at least try !)
Everybody here has some investment in the game, that's not going to happen. It's always for selfish reasons, without exception. You may not agree with it, but that's ok.
 
Yes, it is easier to stay behind them because their steering is slower.

that has not been my experience at all. I didn't find any numbers for anaconda pitch times unfortunately. only for python: 8.8s for 360degs pitch at 50% throttle.

maybe you have more luck with finding anaconda numbers.
 
my name is based on the pilots federation zero tolerance for pirates being as i am a bounty hunter

Got it.

What I dont get is why you ask me to provide a link, I search for it over 45 minutes to do you a favour, even write you a PM and get zero feedback. Well thanks, that was certainly the last time I played google for someone.
 
Whatever man, you're just twisting words here. You already got the nerf you wanted, so what's your point?

What do you mean "you wanted" ? The devs specifically said that they took the decision because the Python was filling more than its role, this nerf isn't caused by the people complaining but by design.
 

Ozrix

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What do you mean "you wanted" ? The devs specifically said that they took the decision because the Python was filling more than its role, this nerf isn't caused by the people complaining but by design.
The ship is out several months now, if it wasn't intended as it is, it would be different in the first place. Also, people here claim it's supposed to be a trading barge, yet a developer in another thread said it will remain as a gun boat post-nerf. So which is it?
 
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I don't have a Python - came up against an NPC one in a fully upgraded Cobra and blew it up - but I did have some help from a random Commander.

I think it's realistic to expect balancing to continue for some time after all the ships have been released - and we're not there yet.

Obviously some people are unhappy about - but it's not as if it affects individuals only - it's the same for anyone who has a Python.

And Mike and other devs have said it's an ongoing process so yeah - it'll get there in the end..
 
You have numbers ingame. Just run it and play.

I will not search for you. There a lot of shield tables and speed information on forum.
Prepare for discussion correctly or go away.

Again you show you have no clue what you are talking about. Same as the "radiculous shield" statement.

effective shield strenght is NEVER displayed in game anywhere.

And Clipper and Python post nerf do not have similar shields as you claimed:

Python has 403 shielding with A6 post nerf.
Clipper has 263 shielding with same A6 shields
Clipper has 306 shielding with 50MCr A7 shields.


and you are constantly refusing to bring the numbers to the table, because you actually know you are lying
 
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The ship is out several months now, if it wasn't intended as it is, it would be different in the first place.

And devs told us the Python will be rebalanced just after been released. Because it's a "Heavy multi-purpose ship", not a "Heavy Excellent-in-everything ship".
 
The ship is out several months now, if it wasn't intended as it is, it would be different in the first place.

Diablo 2 is out for 15 years. Still the latest balancing patch got released in 2013. How dare you blizzard!

Your argument is invalid.

EDIT Actually it was 2010, shame on me.
 
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