Newcomer / Intro My take on Elite (in short: it's boring)

[Plage]

At the moment it seems to me that this game is a modern version of the Euro Truck Simulator in space as the major way to get money is to haul stuff from A to B. Now you'll say but "hey there are dogfights against AI or other players" but these are actually boring, too. Same goes for the missions that you can get from the bulletin boards if they actually even work/can be finished. As somebody else has put it the most "exciting" moments in this game seem to be the ones when you mess up to dock somehow and wreck your ship or get it shot to pieces by a stations defensive weapons...wow!

The game designers of this game have to be stuck in the early '90s with their mindset but they're not the only lazy, mindless or simply incompetent people from this development team. I mean how can you mess up a so essential part of the game like the docking for example. This game plays 3000 AD and it's not possible to project a flight path to the dock on to the HUD? Maybe it wouldn't be so ridiculous if you'd actually manage that the respective landing pad is and stays marked for the whole docking process but even that seems to be to much asked. What about simply painting a number on the deck if you're to unable to keep it lit all the time just for example? Not to talk about pads that simply won't accept your ship even you've permission to land.

The insurance part in general is a good idea but the implementation is only sub par. Why can't I sell other stored ships from the reclaim menu for example or why the hell isn't it possible to also insure the hauled cargo just for example?

 

[Werppa]

Isn't is a bit unfair to bash the devs? Docking is easy in this game, the blown to pieces without a reason while docking -part was a bug and it's fixed. And even the disappearing holopad is being fixed in the bigger patch 1.1. Wild guess, did you get destroyed while you tried to dock?

You're entitled to your opinion, this game isn't the most exciting thing ever, that's for sure, and it can get a bit boring since ED is bare-boned currently. I still like it though. If you don't like it, just move on, simple as that.

 

[andyraptor]

TL : DR


Have fun with whatever you move onto.... or come back in a month or so



..... next

 

[Karnack]

Op has a point here about lack of automation.
I was really up for this game but getting fed up with the lack of automation, especially lack of Auto pilot, not only for docking (oh there is one but it takes up a module and is rubbish) but lack of being able to fly from one system to another without having to manualy do it, sorry but why ??

 

[Derpster Frey]

This is not an "automated" game.
If you want that, this is not the game.

 

[Phaedrus Rynith]

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.

 

[Werppa]

Op has a point here about lack of automation.
I was really up for this game but getting fed up with the lack of automation, especially lack of Auto pilot, not only for docking (oh there is one but it takes up a module and is rubbish) but lack of being able to fly from one system to another without having to manualy do it, sorry but why ??

I don't usually do one word posts but: what?

 

[Ian Phillips]

Be nice people.

 

[andyraptor]

Op has a point here about lack of automation.
I was really up for this game but getting fed up with the lack of automation, especially lack of Auto pilot, not only for docking (oh there is one but it takes up a module and is rubbish) but lack of being able to fly from one system to another without having to manualy do it, sorry but why ??

you did read the product description before purchase ?

Come on guys ..... if you need to vent .....use another section of the forum

 

[Kalara]

With a bit of research you'll find that a sort of automation is actually possible.
It's called macro's or voice attack (or other programs imilar to it).
I request docking with touching my keyboard, I enter surpercruise without touching a button.
I deploy my weapons and set my power distribution to a certain preferred setting...

It is possible to automate some things.

As for the docking itself, yes there is a module, and yes it is not very functional unless you want to stare at your screen for 50 seconds or more for it to dock.
I for one try to dock as fast as I can, going in the letterbox with only a small opening. And I would hate to be not in control of my docking procedure.
Having an automated system dock as fast as I could manually just is pointless. You can make the decision to either be in control(and be faster), or watch your module do it (and be slower).

Where is the fun in games that do everything for you? What is the point in playing a game then anyway?

Granted, the game itself is in a minimum state right now as it will only expand from here on and several things do need to be tweaked.
My suggestion, leave it as it is, do something else and return after a major update. You paid for it, there is no monthly fee, so you can return whenever you want to.

You can vent your frustration and perception all you want, but please do refrain from name calling and calling people incompetent. There is no such need.
Thank you.

 

[Karnack]

It didn`t say on the product description to have to tediously align to every system when travelling 170 LY`s.
Nor did it say that you`ll be spending most of your time doing this and the same when it comes to docking.
Not sure why people are against a certain amount of automation in the game (as I agreed with the op)

I still wonder why so many people rush to the defence of this game when any critiscm is pointed out.
It`s bare boned and almost crude in it`s design. If people have paid for it and are disillusioned their perfectly in their right to mention that. They shoudn`t have to be afraid of the fanboys that cant see the woods for the trees.

 

[Phaedrus Rynith]

Constructive criticism is one thing, just having a whinge is another. Add to that, a newcomers forum is not the place to vent like that. No sympathy here.

 

[Werppa]

It didn`t say on the product description to have to tediously align to every system when travelling 170 LY`s.
Nor did it say that you`ll be spending most of your time doing this and the same when it comes to docking.
Not sure why people are against a certain amount of automation in the game (as I agreed with the op)

Automation like what? It's not that hard to, well, point your ship at a system before jumping there... It takes like 5 seconds max if you can read your radar. Or do you mean something else? The only process that could use some automation that I can instantly think of is mining. You could still shoot at roids but have a droid or some such that automatically brings the pieces into your cargo hold without the need to manually scoop every piece.

 

[Plage]

Isn't is a bit unfair to bash the devs? Docking is easy in this game, the blown to pieces without a reason while docking -part was a bug and it's fixed. And even the disappearing holopad is being fixed in the bigger patch 1.1. Wild guess, did you get destroyed while you tried to dock?

You're entitled to your opinion, this game isn't the most exciting thing ever, that's for sure, and it can get a bit boring since ED is bare-boned currently. I still like it though. If you don't like it, just move on, simple as that.

No, I think it's not. They already got my money so I think I'm allowed to tell them my opinion about their work. Docking is still bugged and pads are still not marked properly all the time and I doubt it's only the case for me.

Not exciting is actually an understatement. It's boring as hell. Can I change the email adress the account is linked to and sell it on ebay?

Op has a point here about lack of automation.
I was really up for this game but getting fed up with the lack of automation, especially lack of Auto pilot, not only for docking (oh there is one but it takes up a module and is rubbish) but lack of being able to fly from one system to another without having to manualy do it, sorry but why ??

This is not an "automated" game.
If you want that, this is not the game.

It's not the lack of automation as such. I'm aware that there's a docking module available for purchase while I've read that it isn't working properly all the time so I refrained to buy and test it so far but that's not the point as I'm very well able to dock all by myself. What I don't get is the poor implementation of the docking and why it for example isn't possible to project a path to the pad on to your HUD if you're going to enter a station or what ever.

But as you mention it the lack of a real auto-pilot is another major design flaw in this game.

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.

...of my thread.

you did read the product description before purchase ?

Come on guys ..... if you need to vent .....use another section of the forum

I did and even checked some reviews in before. None of them made clear how lame the gameplay actually would be.

I would have liked to post in an other, more suiting section but there unfortunately isn't one called "feedback". Just one for suggestions but that's something different to my understanding.

With a bit of research you'll find that a sort of automation is actually possible.
It's called macro's or voice attack (or other programs imilar to it).
I request docking with touching my keyboard, I enter surpercruise without touching a button.
I deploy my weapons and set my power distribution to a certain preferred setting...

It is possible to automate some things.

As for the docking itself, yes there is a module, and yes it is not very functional unless you want to stare at your screen for 50 seconds or more for it to dock.
I for one try to dock as fast as I can, going in the letterbox with only a small opening. And I would hate to be not in control of my docking procedure.
Having an automated system dock as fast as I could manually just is pointless. You can make the decision to either be in control(and be faster), or watch your module do it (and be slower).

Where is the fun in games that do everything for you? What is the point in playing a game then anyway?

Granted, the game itself is in a minimum state right now as it will only expand from here on and several things do need to be tweaked.
My suggestion, leave it as it is, do something else and return after a major update. You paid for it, there is no monthly fee, so you can return whenever you want to.

You can vent your frustration and perception all you want, but please do refrain from name calling and calling people incompetent. There is no such need.
Thank you.

Like already said it's not really that automation or lack of it that I'm worried about but more how poor things like the whole docking procedure for example are implemented. That's what I'm refering to with incompetence and what else is this in all honesty?

It didn`t say on the product description to have to tediously align to every system when travelling 170 LY`s.
Nor did it say that you`ll be spending most of your time doing this and the same when it comes to docking.
Not sure why people are against a certain amount of automation in the game (as I agreed with the op)

I still wonder why so many people rush to the defence of this game when any critiscm is pointed out.
It`s bare boned and almost crude in it`s design. If people have paid for it and are disillusioned their perfectly in their right to mention that. They shoudn`t have to be afraid of the fanboys that cant see the woods for the trees.

It's normal to have these fanboys that will defend their beloved game to death today even if they know themselfs that not everything is right. It's also normal today that you've people affiliated with the company posting "undercover" to steer discussions in certain directions, discredit members and so on.

 

[Derpster Frey]

And you can buy a computer that docks for you.
It's a 386 DXII and you can almost hear the cranks, but it does the job.. eventually.

 

[Phaedrus Rynith]

It's normal to have these fanboys that will defend their beloved game to death today even if they know themselfs that not everything is right. It's also normal today that you've people affiliated with the company posting "undercover" to steer discussions in certain directions, discredit members and so on.

I've played ED for all of 2 weeks, never played any other FD games. I doubt I count as a fanboy. Simply put, did you not know this was a hands on space sim when you bought it? Sounds to me like Eve is more your style of space game.

 

[Tinman]

It's normal to have these fanboys that will defend their beloved game to death today even if they know themselfs that not everything is right. It's also normal today that you've people affiliated with the company posting "undercover" to steer discussions in certain directions, discredit members and so on.

It's also quite common to see people claim this is the case when in reality it's just people not agreeing with one another about issues.

I for one LOVE the docking mechanics and the "hands on approach" it requires from the players when going into a station. Actually going into a station and physically landing your spaceship almost never happens in other space sims which I've always found to be a huge design flaw IMO. I want to be in control of my ship and not just pick a "autodock" option from a menu and suddenly find myself inside the station with no input of my own.

Good thing for me then that Elite gives me this experience.

 

[INaeem]

It's also quite common to see people claim this is the case when in reality it's just people not agreeing with one another about issues.

I for one LOVE the docking mechanics and the "hands on approach" it requires from the players when going into a station. Actually going into a station and physically landing your spaceship almost never happens in other space sims which I've always found to be a huge design flaw IMO. I want to be in control of my ship and not just pick a "autodock" option from a menu and suddenly find myself inside the station with no input of my own.

Good thing for me then that Elite gives me this experience.

Amen Commander and Amen for Elite!

 

[halo jones 101]

Be nice people.

With respect Ian its becoming harder to play nicely, When there is a minority of posters who plainly post for a reaction, As is the type of poster who fails to use search thus there is a growing quantity of threads being created about the same issues...

Insurance
Friendly Fire
Super Cruise

Being by far the most common the content in many cases is to complain about the core game design and rule set. And how it Must Be Changed these are created in what ever forum the poster picks, thus we have a scatter gun approach that is sinking decent threads by keeping them off page 1...

I doubt that many established posters have being snarky as their default setting but its hard to avoid snark when OPs demand whine and moan constantly about issues that they perceive as Fact rather than an opinion.

 

[Plage]

It's also quite common to see people claim this is the case when in reality it's just people not agreeing with one another about issues.

I for one LOVE the docking mechanics and the "hands on approach" it requires from the players when going into a station. Actually going into a station and physically landing your spaceship almost never happens in other space sims which I've always found to be a huge design flaw IMO. I want to be in control of my ship and not just pick a "autodock" option from a menu and suddenly find myself inside the station with no input of my own.

Good thing for me then that Elite gives me this experience.

You're intitled to believe what you want in that direction. This is obviously not the point of this thread.

So, you like to fly into a station and find that the assigned docking pad isn't marked in, I don't know let's say, 20% of all cases? Really? Besides that automation isn't really the point as I already said multiple times. It's the whole docking procedure and it's poor implementation I'm talking about.